The Black Riders: The Elite Cavalry of NationStates

[Pirate Jets]

Actually, we have a strong defenderphobia feeling imbeded in all of us. The sight of one makes us gnarl and gnash our teeth in anger.

[Drop Your Pants]

You should stay out of Gameplay then

[Pirate Jets]

Good point. But they're fun to yell at, mostly cuz they yell back.

[General Halcones]

September 28th 4AM - 5AM GMT

And yet another charge by The Black Riders this update! WA delegates went toppling again, as a further 19 WA delegates lost their seats to raiders. Ether was also hit, again, giving a total of 20 hits. In addition to these 20 hits, The Black Riders supported The Black Hawks on raiding Hell, a highly successful raid led by Jakker. There were only 2 fails, so a very good update run by The Black Riders!

Troops involved were General Halcones, Ragnarok Arisen, Scooby-Doo, Twin Equine and Vazeckta.

The following regions fell victim:

Ether
Potassiamia
E FEDeration Knights
The Okami Empire
United Kingdom of Britain and Eire
Whitereach
Troperia
Xetonika
Yehud
Kingdom of Ireland
Deutschland
Region Hopper Hotel
United Rockstar Federation
BORG COLLECTIVE
Slackers Confederation
Socialist Liberal Union
Daria
United Nations Association
United Nations Organization
The alliance of Ogrefasz

The stampede continues on!

[Cromarty]

Raiding a region 4 times in 8 days? Dick move.

[General Halcones]

Reasons already given previously. Only 2 targets early update. Ask the defenders to detag it - they don't bother.

[Cromarty]

Reasons already given previously. Only 2 targets early update. Ask the defenders to detag it - they don't bother.

How bout I ask you to stop harassing the region? I mean you won't bother, but I thought I'd give you a chance to not act like an asshole.

[Gest]

Reasons already given previously. Only 2 targets early update. Ask the defenders to detag it - they don't bother.

How bout I ask you to stop harassing the region? I mean you won't bother, but I thought I'd give you a chance to not act like an asshole.

If only there were things that the founderless natives could do to protect themselves. If only they could move to a nice foundered region in the suburbs, add a password to their region, or heaven forbid recruit people to boost their WA numbers. Alas, such things are merely dreams.

[Feuer Ritter]

United Kingdom of Britain and Eire
United Rockstar Federation
United Nations Association
United Nations Organization

Hey Halc, you have something against regions with "United" in their name??

[Cinistra]

United Kingdom of Britain and Eire
United Rockstar Federation
United Nations Association
United Nations Organization

Hey Halc, you have something against regions with "United" in their name??

Another case of bias ? What's next? A region being raided because it has "democracy" in it's name?

Umm, what's the difference between a Nations Association and a Nations Organization? I also miss regions with the names called Unified Rockstar/Nations Federation/Association/Organization (I apologize if my notification is confusing). Do these regions exist? If not, may someone create them ASAP?!


It has been done! I simply could not wait.
http://www.nationstates.net/region=tuosldau
Damn it, I forgot the "federation" . Can some please create a region named The Unified Federation of Organizations of Social Liberal Democratic Unions (that should read TUFOSLDAU)?

[Soup for the Soul]

I have a question for the good General Halcone. Isn't it considered bad etiquette to raid fellow raiders?

Therefore, why did you tag-raid Whitereach? which is or was a raider region?

[Letoilenoir]

I have a question for the good General Halcone. Isn't it considered bad etiquette to raid fellow raiders?

Therefore, why did you tag-raid Whitereach? which is or was a raider region?

And therein is the crux of this fallacy that is Raider Unity - No doubt Mr Halcones will be along shortly to denounce Whitereach as being a lapsed raider or some other such nonsense. the truth of the matter is that they are seeking to prolong their current domination by taking out any that would challenge them, bre they raider, defender or otherwise.

Now were they to challenge their peers would they fare so well? Who would win in a knockdown fight between TBR and LWU(in their prime)

EVERY "pure" raider organisation is currently hiding behind the fact that, for all their bravado and propaganda, without the myth of "Raider Unity", in the grand scheme their petty, and fleeting, "conquests" would not be possible

They currently trumpet their dominance of the R/D game by taunting the Defenders, and accusing them of failing to adapt. There is a kernel of truth in this accusation but they do themselves and the defenders a dis-service - as an anology the current situation is one of a Heavy weight boxer going up against a Heavy Weight Wrestler , both are very adept fighters but pitch them against each other and one has distinctive advantages due to the way they fight

When a boxer fights a boxer then we truly have a championship match! Until then, accusations that the ganme is rigged in favour of one discipline will bounce back and forth ad nauseum

The only way to get smarter is by playing a smarter opponent.’

Fundementals of Chess 1883

[Mallorea and Riva]

What I just read sounded a lot like this to me: TBR work too well with other raiding orgs, while Defenders are incapable of teaming up. Therefore we must do our best to undermine their teamwork lest we continue to be incapable of defeating their joint efforts.

[Gest]

I have a question for the good General Halcone. Isn't it considered bad etiquette to raid fellow raiders?

Therefore, why did you tag-raid Whitereach? which is or was a raider region?

And therein is the crux of this fallacy that is Raider Unity - No doubt Mr Halcones will be along shortly to denounce Whitereach as being a lapsed raider or some other such nonsense. the truth of the matter is that they are seeking to prolong their current domination by taking out any that would challenge them, bre they raider, defender or otherwise.

I wouldn't count on him being around shortly he tends to vanish during the weekend. Anyhow, Whitereach even if it was a raider region it is now a founderless region, a failed state if you will, with no "legacy" to protect it. Thus it's open season on them.

[Letoilenoir]

What I just read sounded a lot like this to me: TBR work too well with other raiding orgs, while Defenders are incapable of teaming up. Therefore we must do our best to undermine their teamwork lest we continue to be incapable of defeating their joint efforts.

Then you either chose to misinterpret, or you really don't grasp the concept that any individual raider group could not really sustain their sucess if they had to face an opponent capable of matching them in the field - presently the only organisation in such a position would be another raider organisation

And therein is the crux of this fallacy that is Raider Unity - No doubt Mr Halcones will be along shortly to denounce Whitereach as being a lapsed raider or some other such nonsense. the truth of the matter is that they are seeking to prolong their current domination by taking out any that would challenge them, bre they raider, defender or otherwise.

I wouldn't count on him being around shortly he tends to vanish during the weekend. Anyhow, Whitereach even if it was a raider region it is now a founderless region, a failed state if you will, with no "legacy" to protect it. Thus it's open season on them.

When Halcones is out he sends his mouthpeice.

Your own comments only confirm the assertion that you only adhere to Raider Unity when it suits - then again so do most other raiders

[Mallorea and Riva]

What I just read sounded a lot like this to me: TBR work too well with other raiding orgs, while Defenders are incapable of teaming up. Therefore we must do our best to undermine their teamwork lest we continue to be incapable of defeating their joint efforts.

Then you either chose to misinterpret, or you really don't grasp the concept that any individual raider group could not really sustain their sucess if they had to face an opponent capable of matching them in the field - presently the only organisation in such a position would be another raider organisation

Right... which is why we work together... we have a common enemy/ethos.

[Gest]

When Halcones is out he sends his mouthpeice.

Your own comments only confirm the assertion that you only adhere to Raider Unity when it suits - then again so do most other raiders

You might want to sit down. I know it's shocking that people do things when it's in their own interests. It blew my mind too.

[Letoilenoir]

You might want to sit down. I know it's shocking that people do things when it's in their own interests. It blew my mind too.

Self interest is an understandable concept, but it is your portrayal that you are somehow superior because of it to those you oppose - your defender opposition constantly gets derided for its self seeking and evangelistic preaching, so why shouldn't you.

Only, well the thing is, TBR are a relatively new outfit, and they are already justifying attacks on former raider regions, and, I could be wrong, but that kinda suggests that the other raiders shouldn't exactly trust you, know what I mean?

No honour amongst theives and all that

[Pirate Jets]

When Halcones is out he sends his mouthpeice.

Your own comments only confirm the assertion that you only adhere to Raider Unity when it suits - then again so do most other raiders

You might want to sit down. I know it's shocking that people do things when it's in their own interests. It blew my mind too.

People do that?
I don't want live on this planet anymore...

[Tramiar]

You might want to sit down. I know it's shocking that people do things when it's in their own interests. It blew my mind too.

Self interest is an understandable concept, but it is your portrayal that you are somehow superior because of it to those you oppose - your defender opposition constantly gets derided for its self seeking and evangelistic preaching, so why shouldn't you.

Only, well the thing is, TBR are a relatively new outfit, and they are already justifying attacks on former raider regions, and, I could be wrong, but that kinda suggests that the other raiders shouldn't exactly trust you, know what I mean?

No honour amongst theives and all that

If we avoided every region that had ever done a raid, we would have to avoid some defender friendly regions. If we avoided everyone who claimed to be raider, everyone would claim to be raider, and some that wanted to be raider, but never actually raided. Besides, when was this region "raider" anyway? If it was a while ago, it is entirely possible there isn't a raider left. In which case, why would we care? If it's changed hands, the name itself doesn't make it raider.

The defenders are "derided" for not working together because they seem to be (mostly) incapable of doing so. And then they complain that they can't defend against us, when they could if they worked together like we do. Even if they don't like each other, you would think they could at least work together to accomplish common goals.

It's alright. We trust TBR, and are more than happy to work with them, so how you feel about it doesn't really matter, does it?

[Spartzerium]

To add to what Tramiar said, I don't think raider unity applies to regions nobody's even heard of. I've never heard of Whitereach, and I doubt I'm alone. If I'm aware that the region is notable at all for raiding (not noob raids), I wouldn't raid it; otherwise, fair game.

[Letoilenoir]

As you quite rightly point out, whether I trust them or not is irrelevant as I don't have to work with them

As to what constitutes "Raider Unity" (ie the question as to why Whitereach was attacked) it would seem that at best its definition could be described as "fluid", and that "once a raider, always a raider" most certainly does NOT apply - it would seem you have to be part of the Cognoscenti to be awarded that accolade

"One Grief does not a Raider make" eh?

[Tramiar]

As you quite rightly point out, whether I trust them or not is irrelevant as I don't have to work with them

As to what constitutes "Raider Unity" (ie the question as to why Whitereach was attacked) it would seem that at best its definition could be described as "fluid", and that "once a raider, always a raider" most certainly does NOT apply - it would seem you have to be part of the Cognoscenti to be awarded that accolade

"One Grief does not a Raider make" eh?

I think all the people who've switched from raiding to defending would agree that being a raider once doesn't make you a raider forever. Same thing goes for regions. If a region was raider at one point, and then either became neutral or defender, why should their previous raider status protect them?

Nope. I think the defenders who have previously raided regions in the interest of attacking raiders (not saying it's any of the current defenders, before Uni and Eist and everyone comes in with their "Hey, I've never raided raiders!" talk) would be against you if you decided one raid made you a raider.

And like Spartzy said, who is Whitereach anyway? I don't know anything about them. Why would I think they shouldn't be raided?

[Cromarty]

If you aren't a) historically important or b) active now or were in the recent past, then I'd wager Raydah Uneetee doesn't apply.

[Letoilenoir]

Can't wait to see LWU raided then in that case!