Govt is corrupt, so why do liberals want bigger govt !?!?

[Liriena]

Indeed, in given situations it is.


Indeed, it can.



What's illogical about that? Why do you hate individual liberty so much?

I think your a bit mixed up.

surrendering your freedom to the EPA or any other government agency is the definition of lost freedom.

indeed, the govt has all the guns, gavels, and legislative power -- so you really have no say anyway.

now the nail is in the coffin when they will soon regulate water as a pollutant to be managed by government alone.

note that since the EPA was created -- this CO2 scare has spun out of control -- it is too late to correct.

Hence, the EPA was created to address this kind of eventuality and it has proven utterly incapable of doing anything about it either at home or abroad.

in sum, you have simply surrendered what little economic freedoms you have to a central authority in washington that cares little about you -- unless you happen to be a lobbyist

Yeah...nope. You are still spewing bullshit. How I ever regarded you as a rational human being is beyond me.

Go troll and flame somewhere else.

[Mavorpen]

note that since the EPA was created -- this CO2 scare has spun out of control -- it is too late to correct.

Since the EPA was created, rivers seldom burst into flames and it has saved us trillions of dollars and saved thousands of lives.

[AuSable River]

Oh, OP, you are back already?

Tell me, if you are so confident of you being absolutely, 100% in every single belief you hold...why the hell do you come back? Maybe you are trolling? Are you trying to start a flame war with your intellectual dishonesty and blindness and horrible manners?

Actually I started the thread.

why do you keep coming back with trollish comments?

[Yuktova]

Oh, OP, you are back already?

Tell me, if you are so confident of you being absolutely, 100% in every single belief you hold...why the hell do you come back? Maybe you are trolling? Are you trying to start a flame war with your intellectual dishonesty and blindness and horrible manners?

Actually I started the thread.

why do you keep coming back with trollish comments?

Why did you misspell Chernobyl like a two year old?
Learning some proper grammar and all would help your cause, just saying.

[Priory Academy USSR]

note that since the EPA was created -- this CO2 scare has spun out of control -- it is too late to correct.

Since the EPA was created, rivers seldom burst into flames and it has saved us trillions of dollars and saved thousands of lives.

I find it funny that when I go onto the second link a huge advertisement pops up advertising working on oil rigs in America.

[AuSable River]

note that since the EPA was created -- this CO2 scare has spun out of control -- it is too late to correct.

Since the EPA was created, rivers seldom burst into flames and it has saved us trillions of dollars and saved thousands of lives.

grand naivete

the EPA tells mavoren that empowering it with greater regulatory authority and billions in funding will 'save lives'

and he believes it ??!!!

this is the definition of a good liberal.

just like the government will manage health care and reduce costs.

or initiate a war on poverty and today after trillions of dollars spent --- we have record number of people living in poverty.

yet if the government or some leftwing front group tells mavoren something ---- he will always believe.

he cant explain why in his own words -- he just parrots there propaganda like a good little liberal.

[Mavorpen]

Since the EPA was created, rivers seldom burst into flames and it has saved us trillions of dollars and saved thousands of lives.

I find it funny that when I go onto the second link a huge advertisement pops up advertising working on oil rigs in America.

Oh fine: http://www.epa.gov/air/sect812/prospective2.html

*grumble grumble*

[AuSable River]

Actually I started the thread.

why do you keep coming back with trollish comments?

Why did you misspell Chernobyl like a two year old?
Learning some proper grammar and all would help your cause, just saying.

Funny I have posted myriad arguments debunking big government as corrupt and the best the liberal hoard have contributed is hominems and grammar lessons.

this is the internet dude.

you want to correct grammar -- apply at your local elementary school, not hear (sic).

[Mavorpen]

just like the government will manage health care and reduce costs.

or initiate a war on poverty and today after trillions of dollars spent --- we have record number of people living in poverty.

Yeah, Republicans don't care about poor people. What's your point?

yet if the government or some leftwing front group tells mavoren something ---- he will always believe.

he cant explain why in his own words -- he just parrots there propaganda like a good little liberal.

So you can't refute my sources. Mm'kay. I've won.

[Yuktova]

Since the EPA was created, rivers seldom burst into flames and it has saved us trillions of dollars and saved thousands of lives.

grand naivete

the EPA tells mavoren that empowering it with greater regulatory authority and billions in funding will 'save lives'

and he believes it ??!!!

this is the definition of a good liberal.

just like the government will manage health care and reduce costs.

or initiate a war on poverty and today after trillions of dollars spent --- we have record number of people living in poverty.

yet if the government or some leftwing front group tells mavoren something ---- he will always believe.

he cant explain why in his own words -- he just parrots there propaganda like a good little liberal.

Ayn Rand, is that you? My my, how you've neurally degraded.

[AuSable River]

I find it funny that when I go onto the second link a huge advertisement pops up advertising working on oil rigs in America.

Oh fine: http://www.epa.gov/air/sect812/prospective2.html

*grumble grumble*

Nice, mavoren touting the benefits of EPA legislation by sourcing the ----------wait for it ---------------wait for it-------------------

you guessed it.


the EPA.

[Liriena]

Oh, OP, you are back already?

Tell me, if you are so confident of you being absolutely, 100% in every single belief you hold...why the hell do you come back? Maybe you are trolling? Are you trying to start a flame war with your intellectual dishonesty and blindness and horrible manners?

Actually I started the thread.

why do you keep coming back with trollish comments?

My friend, you don't even know the definition of trolling, so stop spewing that word every two posts in your pathetic attempts to dismiss your detractors through baseless name-calling.

[Mavorpen]

Oh fine: http://www.epa.gov/air/sect812/prospective2.html

*grumble grumble*

Nice, mavoren touting the benefits of EPA legislation by sourcing the ----------wait for it ---------------wait for it-------------------

you guessed it.


the EPA.

Well, yes. Because the EPA is required by law to present their reports. If you disagree with their statistics, provide evidence.

[AuSable River]

Actually I started the thread.

why do you keep coming back with trollish comments?

My friend, you don't even know the definition of trolling, so stop spewing that word every two posts in your pathetic attempts to dismiss your detractors through baseless name-calling.

ponder this:



I love how liberals go crazy over scientific facts

It is usually fun, but not as fun when the liberal hoard resorts to ad hominems and touting government sources to support the efficacy of government --- it is time to take a break.

later good little liberals -- remember we must create the mother of all monopolies with all the guns, gavels, and regulatory power ----big central government --- to protect us from the evil and all powerful private sector monopoly in the scary closet.

I saw him once peak out from a crack in the door -- the evil capitalist was wearing a sweater and he looked alot like bill gates, or was it steve jobs --- I couldnt tell cuz I was hiding under the covers.

save us nancy pelosi !!!

[AuSable River]

Nice, mavoren touting the benefits of EPA legislation by sourcing the ----------wait for it ---------------wait for it-------------------

you guessed it.


the EPA.

Well, yes. Because the EPA is required by law to present their reports. If you disagree with their statistics, provide evidence.

[Mavorpen]

ponder this:

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Ponder the facts.

[Mavorpen]

(Image)

http://ossfoundation.us/projects/enviro ... ural-cycle

[Ridicularia]

He's talking about CO2

That was more of a "what" of incredulity, not a "what" of questioning.

[Liriena]

Oh fine: http://www.epa.gov/air/sect812/prospective2.html

*grumble grumble*

Nice, mavoren touting the benefits of EPA legislation by sourcing the ----------wait for it ---------------wait for it-------------------

you guessed it.


the EPA.

Ad hominem? Good job, genius. Another fallacy!

[Pinkertonville]

Well thats a no brainer. Its all about the Benjimens Baby.

[Liriena]

My friend, you don't even know the definition of trolling, so stop spewing that word every two posts in your pathetic attempts to dismiss your detractors through baseless name-calling.

ponder this:



I love how liberals go crazy over scientific facts

It is usually fun, but not as fun when the liberal hoard resorts to ad hominems and touting government sources to support the efficacy of government --- it is time to take a break.

later good little liberals -- remember we must create the mother of all monopolies with all the guns, gavels, and regulatory power ----big central government --- to protect us from the evil and all powerful private sector monopoly in the scary closet.

I saw him once peak out from a crack in the door -- the evil capitalist was wearing a sweater and he looked alot like bill gates, or was it steve jobs --- I couldnt tell cuz I was hiding under the covers.

save us nancy pelosi !!!

Hahaha!

What a pathetic response, really.

Vaffanculo. There's no reasoning with you.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Can you show us where that graph came from, AuSable?

[Liriena]

Guys, let's face it: There's no reasoning with this OP. We might as well be speaking to a demented, potty-mouthed parrot or a disrespectful little brat.
Either way, it's useless. All we are doing is giving him the satisfaction of a response to his insulting, fallacious and dishonest bullshit.
If any of you is liberal or left-wing, the most self-respecting thing to do is get out of this thread, ignore him, and let him wallow in his delusional filth.

[Ridicularia]

Great troll, or greatest troll?

[Liriena]

Great troll, or greatest troll?

Troll, flamer or just a bloody hypocritical idiot. Either way, he doesn't deserve our attention.