The United Defenders League

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

If the UDL get T-shirts, can raider groups who've driven off UDL 'liberation' raids successfully also have T-shirts? Or is that not on the cards here?

[Andacantra]

Probably worth noting here something that's quite important to my having joined.

I'm going to be actively doing both raiding and defending, because both are fun, and both are awesome. Being honest with everyone because I think it'll work out better. And I'll be doing it in such a way that it won't give me unfair advantages.

So yeah.

[Belschaft]

Probably worth noting here something that's quite important to my having joined.

I'm going to be actively doing both raiding and defending, because both are fun, and both are awesome. Being honest with everyone because I think it'll work out better. And I'll be doing it in such a way that it won't give me unfair advantages.

So yeah.

Might as well reveal the fact that I have also been both defending and raiding recently. Me and Abbey are bi-gameplay

*does whatever he feels like doing whenever he fells like doing it because both defending and raiding are fun and ok*

[Sichuan Pepper]

Are UDL fine with this situation?

[Rachel Anumia]

I'm pretty sure that that is fairly inappropriate for a pure defending or raiding org and makes a mockery of it.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Well, Abbey runs her own raider region, so she can probably get away with it unless UDL has any objections, or unless she's enlisted elsewhere, and right now neither appears to be the case.

[Jamie Anumia]

I'm pretty sure that that is fairly inappropriate for a pure defending or raiding org and makes a mockery of it.

I wouldn't go that far. Though I usually think a person has to choose either side or none at all.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I'm pretty sure that that is fairly inappropriate for a pure defending or raiding org and makes a mockery of it.

I wouldn't go that far. Though I usually think a person has to choose either side or none at all.

An antifascist organisation who I won't name for fear of being accused of advertising does both...

[Jamie Anumia]

I wouldn't go that far. Though I usually think a person has to choose either side or none at all.

An antifascist organisation who I won't name for fear of being accused of advertising does both...

I did say usually.

But anyway. Do these developments in the UDL mean that members are free to do both?

[Sichuan Pepper]

I suggest they start producing double sided T-shirts.

[Cormac Stark]

Probably worth noting here something that's quite important to my having joined.

I'm going to be actively doing both raiding and defending, because both are fun, and both are awesome. Being honest with everyone because I think it'll work out better. And I'll be doing it in such a way that it won't give me unfair advantages.

So yeah.

I'm curious: How do you continue invading regions while belonging to an organization whose ideology consists of an absolutist stance that all invading is morally wrong? More importantly, how does such an organization accept you?

I do believe it's possible to both invade and defend. I've seen it done, particularly when carrying out a war against another region or organization (since defending/counter-raiding is sometimes necessary to prosecute such a war). But I don't believe it's possible to invade and be a UDL member. In fact, I'm a little surprised I haven't heard the sound of Unibot's head exploding.

[Unibot II]

Are UDL fine with this situation?

Since we don't suspect any important leaks of information that could threaten the security of native communities, although our organization stands opposed to the foreign occupation of any region regardless of the extent of the damage and cost for native communities, we're not going to deny an opportunity for players who may actively tolerate less destructive forms of raiding (i.e., tag-invasions), to help us stop more damaging forms of raiding (i.e., griefing).

It's not my ideal situation, but with our limited resources, UDL needs practical and therefore, adaptable membership rules to be able to combat region griefing which we're seeing more and more of as of late. Our priorities have to be ordered in helping the natives in the most desperate and dire of situations, filtered in the order of predicted chance of success, first -- our organization and its policies correspond to our priorities.

[Belschaft]

Well, Unibot has been aware of the fact that I would be doing a few irregular raids with Abbey for over a month, so yes, I think we can assume he is ok with it (though I'll admit he was not thrilled when I told him). Also, a fair amount of the UDL officer staff (and a few other people) have been aware of that fact for some time now - I'm just shocked it didn't leak before now.

The reality is that the kind of raiding me and Abbey want to do causes no harm to anyone. I've always objected to region destruction/griefing, but don't share Unibot's moral objection to raiding in general. As I have repeatedly tried to remind people over the last year, this is a game. I just want to play as much of it as I can, and if that means rejecting the R/D duology... fine by me.

Abbey is an awesome person and a brilliant gameplayer, and UDL is lucky to have her with us. I haven't actually defended with her yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so

[Naivetry]

Are UDL fine with this situation?

Since we don't suspect any important leaks of information that could threaten the security of native communities, although our organization stands opposed to the foreign occupation of any region regardless of the extent of the damage and cost for native communities, we're not going to deny an opportunity for players who may actively tolerate less destructive forms of raiding (i.e., tag-invasions), to help us stop more damaging forms of raiding (i.e., griefing).

It's not my ideal situation, but with our limited resources, UDL needs practical and therefore, adaptable membership rules to be able to combat region griefing which we're seeing more and more of as of late. Our priorities have to be ordered in helping the natives in the most desperate and dire of situations, filtered in the order of predicted chance of success, first -- our organization and its policies correspond to our priorities.

I am surprised but also approving of this ^.

It's good to see the UDL prioritizing. I know it's hard and un-ideal and all that, but I think it's the right call.

[Belschaft]

Since we don't suspect any important leaks of information that could threaten the security of native communities, although our organization stands opposed to the foreign occupation of any region regardless of the extent of the damage and cost for native communities, we're not going to deny an opportunity for players who may actively tolerate less destructive forms of raiding (i.e., tag-invasions), to help us stop more damaging forms of raiding (i.e., griefing).

It's not my ideal situation, but with our limited resources, UDL needs practical and therefore, adaptable membership rules to be able to combat region griefing which we're seeing more and more of as of late. Our priorities have to be ordered in helping the natives in the most desperate and dire of situations, filtered in the order of predicted chance of success, first -- our organization and its policies correspond to our priorities.

I am surprised but also approving of this ^.

It's good to see the UDL prioritizing. I know it's hard and un-ideal and all that, but I think it's the right call.

Well, it took me the best part of an hour on IRC to talk him round to the idea, but yes, it was nice of Unibot to make that call

[Andacantra]

I'm pretty sure that that is fairly inappropriate for a pure defending or raiding org and makes a mockery of it.

I wouldn't go that far. Though I usually think a person has to choose either side or none at all.

Well, we've picked none at all - we've just rejected the whole picking sides thing.

But I'd also like to echo the sentiment that I'm happy Uni did decide to be open to me and Bel doing what we are.

[Ambroscus Koth]

If we're going to have shirts can we have underwear too? I want some defender underwear.

My school's selling boxers... $20 and i'll write 'UDL' with a marker on it.

Send ME $20 and I'll take a picture of me wearing them.

[Cormac Stark]

On a less hostile note than my earlier post, I'm having fun trying to figure out who's who in that picture. I'm going to go with, from left to right: Wolfy, Elu, Unibot, Earth, and R3naissanc3r. Amirite?

[Ambroscus Koth]

On a less hostile note than my earlier post, I'm having fun trying to figure out who's who in that picture. I'm going to go with, from left to right: Wolfy, Elu, Unibot, Earth, and R3naissanc3r. Amirite?

I think one of them might be Gulliver.

[Belschaft]

On a less hostile note than my earlier post, I'm having fun trying to figure out who's who in that picture. I'm going to go with, from left to right: Wolfy, Elu, Unibot, Earth, and R3naissanc3r. Amirite?

I think one of them might be Gulliver.

Eluvatar is the one on the far right; fun fact, Unibot didn't add that pixelation, that's what happens whenever someone tries to take a photo or video of him. No one is quite sure how he does it, but we assume it's so raiders don't know what he looks like when he infiltrates their real lives.

[Lyanna Stark]

I think one of them might be Gulliver.

Eluvatar is the one on the far right; fun fact, Unibot didn't add that pixelation, that's what happens whenever someone tries to take a photo or video of him. No one is quite sure how he does it, but we assume it's so raiders don't know what he looks like when he infiltrates their real lives.

I'll confirm that as the truth.

[Tramiar]

Soooo.... Does UDL defend against and attempt liberations of UDL member raids? Or is being a member a get out of jail free card?

[Belschaft]

No get out of jail free. When me and Abbey are raiding I've made a point of staying out of #udl and not using UDL assets, and no one else in UDL will know it's us till after the fact - so they will treat as just a normal raid. We haven't actually run into that issue yet however, though TBR were kind enough to stop a raid me and Abbey ran with the NPA. By raiding the region themselves, and beating us to the delegacy <_<

However, I look forward to the first time it does happen, as I imagine #udl will be a very funny place to be afterwards

[Andacantra]

Soooo.... Does UDL defend against and attempt liberations of UDL member raids? Or is being a member a get out of jail free card?

Oh god, I hope not. That would make life boring as hell.

But what Bel said about avoiding #udl and stuff.

[Tramiar]

I look forward to seeing UDL liberation attempts against the two of you, because it sounds amusing. Don't judge me. Also, since you have such a small number of people, it should be interesting to see excuses for why they haven't liberated that Cat Burglar raid yet.


Anyway, are you certain Uni hasn't exploded? I'd totally expect an explosion. >.>