International Domestic Soccer Discussion

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Considering there are some borderline cases in my league (in addition to some obvious violations), what should I do if one of them qualify? While FC Bomb Jeckland, Death to Saintland FC, Kill The King Klub, Heathen Killers FC, and Saintland Is Stupid FC are obvious violations, The Holy Club, Gregory is Great FC, Godly Soccer Club, and even Death FC are more borderline cases. Due to the nature of the league system, a new club from outside the pyramid is added every cycle, so these aren't the only ones who could ever exist. Even Doybert FC could have been seen as offensive, but they're all dead now due to their last place Division II finish.

Considering some of our professions are rather offensive by international standards, there could be a few other borderline cases, but if AC Pervert Chasers is OK, which I'm guessing it is seeing as you didn't object to it, I'd assume Slaves FC, AC Enemy Crushers, Slave Beaters United, Club de Executioners, and Horse Beaters FC are OK too.

In short, ejection without warning or opportunity to switch the name seems rather harsh unless you're not going to apply it to any of the borderline cases that might ever come up. Also, while Slaves R Us FC (which does not currently exist) would not be a borderline case, I could see someone submitting a team with a more benign corporate sponsor without knowing the rules, particularly if they're new.

One more question - does the no offensive things policy also apply to corporate sponsors and/or stadiums bidding for the final? Slaves R Us has a sponsor bid in right now, and two of our three site bids (Slavery Field and Death to Saintland Soccer Stadium) clearly are "non-sporting" in their name, while the third, Lord Almighty Gregory National Stadium, is more debatable. It's certainly political and religious, but those are presumably more forgivable in a stadium name than a team name, considering many RL stadiums are named after politicians.

Edit: Looking at teams which qualified last cycle, Tropicorp FC (Vilita), Trojana Condommakers FC (Quebec), Archbishop FC (Nova Anglicana), and Revolutionaries (Eura) all either are borderline, could be interpreted to have some ideological message, or have corporate sponsors. Not to mention a whole host of "Saint" teams that could either be religious or a place name, and there's not always sufficient context in the newswire post to show which one it is. So it's not just me who's doing this.

Edit 2: Sorry for the long rant. I just want to make sure that teams who submit inappropriate names will be warned ahead of time rather than just be removed. There are too many borderline cases, both in my own nation and other nations, for that not to happen.

[Taeshan]

As the upcoming season (after this upcoming tournament run) will be the 50th season of the Taeshan Premier League i am trying to come up with some interesting things for my league to do and i am looking for some suggestions on things people might think it would be cool for me to do in this upcoming season. If you would like to suggest something to me TG me, and i will take it under consideration. Note also that many teams will be opening their coffers in the upcoming transfer window to win the prestigious 50th season, and an already planned Taeshan Premier League Champions' cup.

[Eura]

Edit: Looking at teams which qualified last cycle, Tropicorp FC (Vilita), Trojana Condommakers FC (Quebec), Archbishop FC (Nova Anglicana), and Revolutionaries (Eura) all either are borderline, could be interpreted to have some ideological message, or have corporate sponsors. Not to mention a whole host of "Saint" teams that could either be religious or a place name, and there's not always sufficient context in the newswire post to show which one it is. So it's not just me who's doing this.

Greg I know you want your teams in with their current names but...sorry mate, these comparisons are just terrible. The reason your team names are banned is because they literally say "Fuck x country". There is nothing controversial about the existence of archbishops, a club founded by a company, or in the case of my club, a club named Revolutionaries because its from a city where revolutionary activity happened over a century ago and has zero IC offensive nature to anyone. Anyway. The comparison is a bit daft Yours are so blatantly different that the other examples don't merit comparison.

Shouldn't you just really accept that its remarkable that a nation of your nature is even allowed anywhere near international football or has the capacity to participate?

[Gregoryisgodistan]

Edit: Looking at teams which qualified last cycle, Tropicorp FC (Vilita), Trojana Condommakers FC (Quebec), Archbishop FC (Nova Anglicana), and Revolutionaries (Eura) all either are borderline, could be interpreted to have some ideological message, or have corporate sponsors. Not to mention a whole host of "Saint" teams that could either be religious or a place name, and there's not always sufficient context in the newswire post to show which one it is. So it's not just me who's doing this.

Greg I know you want your teams in with their current names but...sorry mate, these comparisons are just terrible. The reason your team names are banned is because they literally say "Fuck x country". There is nothing controversial about the existence of archbishops, a club founded by a company, or in the case of my club, a club named Revolutionaries because its from a city where revolutionary activity happened over a century ago and has zero IC offensive nature to anyone. Anyway. The comparison is a bit daft Yours are so blatantly different that the other examples don't merit comparison.

Shouldn't you just really accept that its remarkable that a nation of your nature is even allowed anywhere near international football or has the capacity to participate?

The problem is that what CH said was so vague that those teams would be included.

The term “non-sporting nature” is not defined, but can reasonably be interpreted to include commercial, political, religious, or other ideological manifestations. Your interpretation is, as you admit, absurd. (Note that works teams, which are named after commercial entities on a permanent basis, not subject to a sponsorship contract, are permitted.)

A team named after Archbishops could reasonably be understood to promote religious ideology. Teams named after corporations, like Tropicorp FC and Trojana Condommakers FC, clearly promote the commercial interests of those companies. As for Revolutionaries, there are certainly multiple possible meanings for such a team name, but which one you meant might not necessarily be clear to everyone. Heathen Killers FC could refer to the fact that they are based in a location where heathens were killed a century ago. It doesn't, but it could. And Revolutionaries could refer to a desire to overthrow the government, rather than being a historical reference. It doesn't, but it could.

If all Commerce Heights meant to say is that names shouldn't be offensive or threatening, that's fine. But he should have said that, rather than creating a policy that is far too broad. That was my concern. I wasn't actually arguing that those team names were inappropriate, only that the policy was too broad.

[Commerce Heights]

In short, ejection without warning or opportunity to switch the name seems rather harsh unless you're not going to apply it to any of the borderline cases that might ever come up.

If someone in real life founded a club called “Death to San Marino FC”, which entered and won the Liechtensteiner Cup, do you think UEFA’s response would be “Dude, great job on qualifying for the Europa League, but could you tone down that name a bit? Make it ‘Dope Tiger-Striped Marbles FC’ and it’ll be, like, totally awesome!”

Now I’m trying to imagine what a stoner Gianni Infantino would sound like.

I could see someone submitting a team with a more benign corporate sponsor without knowing the rules, particularly if they're new.

These names are presumed allowable absent evidence to the contrary.

One more question - does the no offensive things policy also apply to corporate sponsors and/or stadiums bidding for the final?

It does now.

Slaves R Us has a sponsor bid in right now

I don’t think they’re going to win that.

and two of our three site bids (Slavery Field and Death to Saintland Soccer Stadium) clearly are "non-sporting" in their name, while the third, Lord Almighty Gregory National Stadium, is more debatable. It's certainly political and religious, but those are presumably more forgivable in a stadium name than a team name, considering many RL stadiums are named after politicians.

It’s worth noting that UICA does occasionally rename stadia which have sponsored names, such as “Cascadia Stadium” which hosted the last Champions’ Cup final.

Edit: Looking at teams which qualified last cycle, Tropicorp FC (Vilita), Trojana Condommakers FC (Quebec), Archbishop FC (Nova Anglicana), and Revolutionaries (Eura) all either are borderline, could be interpreted to have some ideological message, or have corporate sponsors. Not to mention a whole host of "Saint" teams that could either be religious or a place name, and there's not always sufficient context in the newswire post to show which one it is. So it's not just me who's doing this.

A team named after Archbishops could reasonably be understood to promote religious ideology. Teams named after corporations, like Tropicorp FC and Trojana Condommakers FC, clearly promote the commercial interests of those companies. As for Revolutionaries, there are certainly multiple possible meanings for such a team name, but which one you meant might not necessarily be clear to everyone. Heathen Killers FC could refer to the fact that they are based in a location where heathens were killed a century ago. It doesn't, but it could. And Revolutionaries could refer to a desire to overthrow the government, rather than being a historical reference. It doesn't, but it could.

If all Commerce Heights meant to say is that names shouldn't be offensive or threatening, that's fine. But he should have said that, rather than creating a policy that is far too broad. That was my concern. I wasn't actually arguing that those team names were inappropriate, only that the policy was too broad.

Names like Archbishop FC and Revolutionaries don’t state anything, so they can’t be statements of a non-sporting nature. Tropicorp FC and Trojana Condommakers FC are allowed under the works team exemption. (Tropicorp Park has also been allowed as a stadium name because Tropicorp is, among other things, a toponym.)

There are too many borderline cases, both in my own nation and other nations

There really aren’t. You’re trying too hard.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

So, for future reference, is Heathen Killers FC acceptable if they ever qualify, seeing as it doesn't state anything and revolutionaries generally kill people too?

[Apox]

Ahem. Greg, I think this has been more than resolved for those more "ordinary" nations with more "standard" club names, do you think any further queries, such as "Would club X be allowed to enter UICA competition?" could be directed directly to CH via TG rather than cluttering up the discussion thread?

[Nephara]

So, for future reference, is Heathen Killers FC acceptable if they ever qualify, seeing as it doesn't state anything and revolutionaries generally kill people too?

This is a bit like saying that Arsenal shouldn't be allowed to qualify for UEFA tournaments because it refers to guns. There's a significant tonal difference between Revolutionaries and Heathen Killers. You're just being pedantic.

[Gregoryisgodistan]

So, for future reference, is Heathen Killers FC acceptable if they ever qualify, seeing as it doesn't state anything and revolutionaries generally kill people too?

This is a bit like saying that Arsenal shouldn't be allowed to qualify for UEFA tournaments because it refers to guns. There's a significant tonal difference between Revolutionaries and Heathen Killers. You're just being pedantic.

One man's terrorists are another man's revolutionaries.... But I'll change it for UICA, which I was planning to do anyway before that last post. They will be known as Happy Koala FC if they qualify for SBCC (or perhaps GC/CC eventually.)

[Eura]

This is a bit like saying that Arsenal shouldn't be allowed to qualify for UEFA tournaments because it refers to guns. There's a significant tonal difference between Revolutionaries and Heathen Killers. You're just being pedantic.

One man's terrorists are another man's revolutionaries.... But I'll change it for UICA, which I was planning to do anyway before that last post. They will be known as Happy Koala FC if they qualify for SBCC (or perhaps GC/CC eventually.)

As a history student that "terrorists or freedom fighters" meme is the most infuriating thing in the world, but aside from that yes, what Nephara said, you're being too pedantic

[Mangolana]

I'm assuming that I do not need to reenter my clubs seeing as the previous Champions Cup was played under cricket rules

[Audioslavia]

The tenth transfer window will probably be open in about two to three weeks (ask NSI about that). In the mean-time, we have a new, slimmed-down version of the transfer sheet, complete with an all new transfer list as a central hub for users to put their players who they'd like to sell.

Naturally, most negotiations will take place via PMs and TGs, and we expect most users will probably put together their own transfer lists, but having one centralised one won't hurt.

So, before Transfer Window X curbstomps the Google Drive servers to oblivion, feel free to enter your free transfer / transfer listed players into the sheet. No buying or selling yet, though, please.

[Kernansquillec]

Project X

In response to the arrival of the newly revamped UICA Youth Cup next season, the Kernansquillecan FA will be launching its own revamped youth league: the St Markus Division. Previously winners of the St Markus Division would qualify for the Series B Champions Cup, however this was faded out by the KERFA a few seasons ago.

But now, with the prize of UICA football, a new version will arrive next season: 20 teams will go head to head to try and win that precious spot in the Youth Cup. 18 teams will represent the U18 teams of a number of Kernansquillecan clubs with a further team specialising in developping Kernansquillecan youth talent. However, in an effort to blood in new international talent on the Kernansquillecan football scene a twentieth team called "Project X" will also partake in the St Markus Division.

Project X will be entirely composed of foreign players who will develop in World class facilities close to the Kernansquillecan capital. Once they become over-age the players will either receive offers from professional Kernansquillecan clubs or move abroad.

So if you have an under-18 player you want us to take off your hands for a little bit, just send us a TG with the players' name, age and position.

Kernansquillecan players will also soon be put on the market in the transfer spreadsheet.

[Polkopia]

Quick question:

I had made a post earlier here regarding the results of my domestic league, where I had one qualifier to the Champion Cup and three for the Globe Cup, however,in the recent post regarding the Champion Cup and the Globe Cup, it seems my clubs have been left out. Any particular reason for this? I'm rather new to the domestic leagues, so I might just be missing something, I'm just curious. Thanks

[Eastfield Lodge]

Quick question:

I had made a post earlier here regarding the results of my domestic league, where I had one qualifier to the Champion Cup and three for the Globe Cup, however,in the recent post regarding the Champion Cup and the Globe Cup, it seems my clubs have been left out. Any particular reason for this? I'm rather new to the domestic leagues, so I might just be missing something, I'm just curious. Thanks

Basically, whenever you submit teams to the competitions, you need to include a box like in this post.
The actual reason was never stated, but I feel it's mainly for CH's purposes, so he can quickly scan the thread from the last tournament and see the qualifiers, instead of having to go through every post with a fine comb.
Just remember to do that in future, and you should be fine. As for this cycle, it's up to CH if he wants to add the teams (and re-do the draw) or not, probably also depends on when he comes on and sees this.

[Polkopia]

Quick question:

I had made a post earlier here regarding the results of my domestic league, where I had one qualifier to the Champion Cup and three for the Globe Cup, however,in the recent post regarding the Champion Cup and the Globe Cup, it seems my clubs have been left out. Any particular reason for this? I'm rather new to the domestic leagues, so I might just be missing something, I'm just curious. Thanks

Basically, whenever you submit teams to the competitions, you need to include a box like in this post.
The actual reason was never stated, but I feel it's mainly for CH's purposes, so he can quickly scan the thread from the last tournament and see the qualifiers, instead of having to go through every post with a fine comb.
Just remember to do that in future, and you should be fine. As for this cycle, it's up to CH if he wants to add the teams (and re-do the draw) or not, probably also depends on when he comes on and sees this.

Alright, thank you!

[Ceni]

Just curious, when will the first scorination of this cycle's UICA events be held?

[Commerce Heights]

Quick question:

I had made a post earlier here regarding the results of my domestic league, where I had one qualifier to the Champion Cup and three for the Globe Cup, however,in the recent post regarding the Champion Cup and the Globe Cup, it seems my clubs have been left out. Any particular reason for this? I'm rather new to the domestic leagues, so I might just be missing something, I'm just curious. Thanks

Basically, whenever you submit teams to the competitions, you need to include a box like in this post.
The actual reason was never stated, but I feel it's mainly for CH's purposes, so he can quickly scan the thread from the last tournament and see the qualifiers, instead of having to go through every post with a fine comb.
Just remember to do that in future, and you should be fine. As for this cycle, it's up to CH if he wants to add the teams (and re-do the draw) or not, probably also depends on when he comes on and sees this.

The original reason for standardizing the entry format was to avoid precisely that scenario, where I would have to redraw the competitions after finding out that I’d missed someone’s entry. While I do still try to spot posts like Polkopia’s, I can’t guarantee that I’ll find them, and I won’t do a redraw if I miss them.

[Polkopia]

Basically, whenever you submit teams to the competitions, you need to include a box like in this post.
The actual reason was never stated, but I feel it's mainly for CH's purposes, so he can quickly scan the thread from the last tournament and see the qualifiers, instead of having to go through every post with a fine comb.
Just remember to do that in future, and you should be fine. As for this cycle, it's up to CH if he wants to add the teams (and re-do the draw) or not, probably also depends on when he comes on and sees this.

The original reason for standardizing the entry format was to avoid precisely that scenario, where I would have to redraw the competitions after finding out that I’d missed someone’s entry. While I do still try to spot posts like Polkopia’s, I can’t guarantee that I’ll find them, and I won’t do a redraw if I miss them.

That's totally fine; I didn't really expect you to redraw the entire thing just for a blunder on my end. Anyway, I must have missed this post. Thanks for pointing it out to me and I'll be sure to fix it next time

[Ceni]

/me murders Maggie who caused his UICA teams to lose to two nations whose leagues combined were less detailed than his first five MD's

[95X]

This is most definitely a work in progress (and probably always will be), however I now have a public list of every player with a name in my domestic league, Soccer League X:

http://anotepad.com/notes/5048660

International players (all three of them) are noted with their countries' trigram. Obviously, there are more players IC than that, just assume that others either aren't recognizable or noteworthy in any way. And, yes, they do have ages and skill ratings and such, I'm just getting the names up for now.

I have already added this link to the appropriate page of the upcoming "Transfer Window X" spreadsheet.

Also, on a housekeeping note, I have two players on teams abroad:
Myrshyll Grandview re-signed with Trojana Condommakers FC of The Royal Kingdom of Quebec (QUE), as discussed via TG and IRC. He's excited to play for a team entering the LigAnaia system.
Natasha Davis will retire at the end of her current deal with Klyde FC of Cosumar (COS). If there is time remaining on her contract, she will continue to offer her services through then, and her retirement would not be known IC until it occurs.

---

Also of note:
Xi Foureleven is not for sale, and is not leaving SC Oceanside. Period.

[Audioslavia]

This is your occasional reminder that Audioslavian players age 4 years every World Cup, and therefore might be older then you expect.

The following players are NOT retired, but are over thirty. They're still very much active as far as I'm concerned, but you might want to think about selling/retiring/releasing them next season or the one after.

Cristóbal Bustos	32	M		AUD		La Nueva Avenida	FFD	
Martin Connor		35	M	DM	AUD		Morponte Fied		COS	
Willem Van Mehrtens	32	M	CM	AUD		Springs FC		NOV
Claudio Redondo		33	D	CB	AUD		FC St. Martin		NOV
Cillian Najdorf		34	G		AUD		Rozelle United		NPH
Hufdis UULVER		30	F		AUD		Thunchester City	NSI
Mixu Kohelmainnen	31	F		AUD		CA Paulinthal		PAS
Tiro ZEHATZENA		33	F		AUD		Galactica		PAS
Xurxo-Luis Luminez	33	M		AUD		Tanrisal		PAS
Paul KAIDLER		37	M		AUD		HellenicRouge		PAS
Kjeld-Dahl Johanssen	32	M		AUD		RSK Longyearbyen Town	PIS
Cameron Rivor		38	D		AUD		Koreana Montreal	QUE
Endika Vivas		36	D		AUD		Gorgona City		SAR
Alessandro Romà		38	D		AUD		Sporting Matrolvik	SEM
Tòmas Cardona		39	D		AUD		Eikbork Club		SEM
Maati Jarvinen		37	M		AUD		Alianza FC		SJG
Ultan MALFEEV		32	D		AUD		Mierton Manatees	TAE
Callum STONE		34	M		AUD		Laketown FC		TAE
Jason Voor		36	M	RM	AUD		FC Chippenham		TSA
Lorenc PETIT		34	M		AUD		Mar Sara		VAL
Arne Polsson		36	D		AUD		Jlinal Cove		VIL

The following players are retired. You probably forgot about them or retired them ages ago. Either way, they're not playing anymore.

Marc Murdoch	43	D		AUD		Novus			GLX
Basajaun Andreu	40	D		AUD		North Rathia		BRE								
Adam Little	40	M		AUD		Rozelle United		BRE
Vitor Belmonte	40	D		AUD		SWU FC			MBT
Luca Mancini	43	D		AUD		Mar Sara		VAL

[Chiata]

I have been going through and (re)creating rosters for the CFA. I have been absent from the last two transfer windows as to avoid signing players only to drop them a cycle or two later. In addition to the new rosters, I am changing my players to aging two years every UICA cycle. Whomever still has my players may choose to drop them or age them as they wish. All foreign players previously in the CFA have been dropped from the rosters.

Dropped List:
Daniel O'Dooly-Fiva Foresters-McKleigh
Jack MacDaniel-Fiva Foresters-McKleigh
Richard O'Nog-Fiva Foresters-McKleigh
Marlon Quiteño-Gulf Coast Gold-San Jose Guayabala
Marcus Haedo-Jungleton Jaguars-San Jose Guayabala
Tama K. P.Whetu-Fiva Foresters-Nui Hania
Timoti H. A. Leilani- Nor' Del Deliverance-Nui Hania
Tama M. N. Keoni-Point de Clu Clash-Nui Hania
Mafluiga Jiopuitipo-Point de Clu Clash-McKleigh
Dennis Johnston-Point de Clu Clash-McKleigh
Sam Bernard-Point de Clu Clash-McKleigh
Kevin de León-Villitova Vampires-San Jose Guayabala
Belkbacbac Luagaslouitu-Wester Wall-McKleigh
Wallace O'Ryan-Wester Wall-McKleigh
Isaac McGomery-Wester Wall-McKleigh
Reggie Descormolo-Gulf Coast Gold-Greater Watford
Ali Murimov-Water Town Torrents-Estenia
Peter Creistborg-Nor' Del Deliverance-Semarland
Vreik Holdeberg-Peidimont St. Peters-Semarland
Theodore Mellineux-Villitova SC-Westernborderlands
Jack Gorammis-River End Rhinos-Westernborderlands
Alan Qin-Delta-City Death-Super-Llamaland
Daniel Giroux-Gulf Coast Gold-The Royal Kingdom of Quebec
Alexander Champlain-Yakitusk Yes-Darvale
Niko Stavros-Nor' Del Deliverance-Peruvian Highlands
Orchid Dew-Zym Zeolots-Equestrian States
Dora Buckley-Villitova SC-Barunia
Francene Martina-Villitova SC-Barunia
Seraphina Ortez-Villitova SC-Barunia

[Ceni]

So, most of my clubs are looking for managers.

If you have a manager who wants to manage in one of the worst leagues in the world (but up and coming!), TG me. If you have some information, your applicant will likely be accepted.

[Northern Sunrise Islands]

Well, kids. We have four days of a Transfer Window. And... it starts tomorrow, May 29th, 2015. 21:00 PM, Rio de Janeiro Standard Time. I know, kinda late on the clock, but I was busy with various things.