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by Consol Energy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:43 pm
by Anumia » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:21 am
(Europeia - July 14, 2015) On July 9th, the gavel came down and the 2015 Constitutional Convention began. Europeia waits with bated breath to see what, if any, changes may be coming over the horizon.
Now that a few days have passed, a few of those hypothetical future changes have begun to show over that possible horizon. As of July 14, 2015, the discussion on the possible expansion of power for the Citizen's Assembly is the most commented and viewed topic, with 35 comments and 321 views. The discussion on the proposal of a self-electing Senate takes the second-place spot with 23 comments and 204 views. With both topics being under the Legislative umbrella, does this mean that citizens feel like this is where Europeia needs reform the most, or is it that citizens are more vocal on changes that would affect such a fundamental aspect of how the government operates? In truth, it is a bit of both.
The Citizen's Assembly, which has undergone a number of changes of its own over the years, was founded with the purpose to "serve the Europeian region by encouraging the development of legislative writing of the Citizens of Europeia.". It has flourished, diminished, had bouts of intense activity, and times of where it was essentially a barren wasteland. So the debate becomes, what is to be done with this sometimes useful, sometimes neglected, aspect of Europeia? Do we give it the power of the veto as Fortunado was the first to formally propose in thread? Or as World Assembly Delegate Mousebumples listed in her first post in the discussion, possibly give the Chair of the Citizen's Assembly a vote in the Senate? Other suggestions have been presented, some have been quickly shot down, while others have met with a lukewarm reception. As of yet, nothing seems to have really caught the support of the convention. The debate only seems to agree that something needs to be done with the Assembly, but exactly as to what, it is much less clear.
Meanwhile, in the second-most discussed convention topic on a self-electing Senate, two camps have emerged: Supreme Chancellor HEM Tiberius and Senator Rylian in support of a self-electing system, with almost all others being much more pragmatic and cautious of such a change. Where this debate progresses to depends on HEM and Rylian being able to lay out a constructive argument of pros and cons of such a system, which as of this writing has not occurred. Without a way to showcase the benefits to Europeia or its Citizens, they will be hard-pressed to bring more supporters to their way of thinking.
Elsewhere in the Convention, some proposals have met with almost unanimous dissent. Of particular note is the proposed change to having Justices elected which has met with a resounding "No." from almost all that have commented in the debate. The only point raised which has gained any sort of traction is the possibility of the election of the Chief Justice from the pool of Justices, which is something Europeia has had in the past. The presiding view however is that the region is best served by a Judiciary that is not beholden to an election cycle for any aspect of it.
So we stand almost a week into the Convention and focal points are beginning to coalesce. We have yet to see any strong movement for reform under any of the main umbrellas of discussion but as time goes on, and once we're past the upcoming Presidential Election, people may turn their focus back to the Convention to continue planning Europeia's future. Will HEM manage to sway people into pushing for a reformation of the government, will the status quo stay in place, or we will end up with some mix of the two? It's still too early to say for sure, but we can at least hope it will be a vigourous and lively debate had by all.
Written by Rylian
Edited by Sopo and Writinglegend
by Anumia » Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:14 am
by Anumia » Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:39 am
by Writinglegend » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:43 pm
by Natapoc » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:51 pm
Writinglegend wrote:(Image)
Anarchy Seized!
On the most recent major, the Europeian Republican Navy led a large joint operation upon the region Anarchy, a User-Created Region that contains a population of 100 nations and a native delegate with 12 endorsements. With a swift major update, Europeia, with the valuable support of the Land of Kings and Emperors, Albion, Balder, The Black Hawks, and Auralia seized control of the delegacy. The original raid consisted of 22 participants ranging from these several regions, and currently the World Assembly Delegate stands at an endorsement count of 25 (which will only rise by tomorrow!).
The raid on Anarchy led by Europeia represents an increased focus on military leadership abroad in large operations, as well as military cooperation with varying allies and partners. The raid also displays the true might of Europeia's military, showing that we can bring together friends, allies, and partners alike while deploying a dozen of our own to yield fruitful results.
Grand Admiral Writinglegend led and triggered the operation with Vice Admiral Kraketopia, Lt Commander CptCarrot, Mate Prometheus, Midshipman Netz, Midshipman Cool Spring, Midshipman JGlenn, and Midshipman Shufordbrian all participated in the original raid on Anarchy under the ERN banner.
HUZZAH TO THE ERN!
(Image)
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:52 am
Ridersyl wrote:Ah, Anarchy. The region that can't stop being occupied.
Here's hoping your fellow natives are a little more rule-abiding this time around, Natapoc.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:13 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:21 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:So you could say.....The Europeian Republican Navy has fallen into Anarchy!?!?!?
Would you say that, by disrupting the normal procedures, and invasions adds anarchy to anarchy, or that by bringing in an organized force with a chain of command taking over the region, invasions lessen the anarchy present in anarchy?
by YoriZ » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:15 am
Ridersyl wrote:Ah, Anarchy. The region that can't stop being occupied.
Here's hoping your fellow natives are a little more rule-abiding this time around, Natapoc.
by Writinglegend » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:39 am
How long do you all plan to stay?
And is it true that this is in retaliation for the AI coexistence protocol which our delegate authored ?
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:13 pm
Writinglegend wrote:How long do you all plan to stay?
Not too long, we don't have time to stay in Anarchy for weeks on end.And is it true that this is in retaliation for the AI coexistence protocol which our delegate authored ?
No, this is merely a show of strength on the international stage by the ERN and its friends and allies. This was not in retaliation for any AI Coexistance Protocal in the GA, nor was it for past WA resolutions your native delegate may have written, but for the purpose of beneficially progressing our foreign policy.
by Flanderlion » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:10 pm
Natapoc wrote:Writinglegend wrote:Not too long, we don't have time to stay in Anarchy for weeks on end.
No, this is merely a show of strength on the international stage by the ERN and its friends and allies. This was not in retaliation for any AI Coexistance Protocal in the GA, nor was it for past WA resolutions your native delegate may have written, but for the purpose of beneficially progressing our foreign policy.
Thank you for clearing that up.
By apparent coincidence, our delegate received a telegram declaring "war" in retaliation for the AI Coexistence Protocol shortly before the delegate was seized. We were not sure if it was related or just bad timing.
Anarchy is a peaceful region which prefers not to play the "R/D" game. I wish there was a way to opt out. Some have suggested abandoning anarchy and creating a region with founders. But the Anarchy region has existed since may 2003 and most of the time we're unoccupied and free to do as we wish.
by Marselesk » Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:25 pm
Revall wrote:I will train a flock of geese for 20 years as assassins and send them to find you kleo
John Jacob wrote:Your ability to make a convincing argument based on complete bullsh*t is very impressive
Raging Zen Master wrote:As subtle as "HELLO FELLOW HUMANS, I TOO, ENJOY BREATHING OXYGEN."
Knot/Ivo wrote:Nonsense, defender budgets are set to buying cushy armchairs, not bombers!
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:55 pm
by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:29 pm
Natapoc wrote:I know you think raiding is fun, but to most users it's nothing less than bullying. It used to be called griefing and it was a bannable offense when I made my nation. I realize it's accepted now but it's poorly implemented from a design perspective and my personal opinion is that such raiding should not be allowed.
Natapoc wrote:I'm not really all that upset with how Europeia is doing it. They are at least polite raiders.
Natapoc wrote:edit: I just looked up puppet flooding and I don't see how what anyone was doing even qualified as that. I can see how what you were doing probably did since your intent was clearly to annoy the residents but I don't think making duck puns was annoying. It was funny! And I'm pretty sure all the actual residents felt so as well.
by Cormac Stark » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:41 pm
Natapoc wrote:I know you think raiding is fun, but to most users it's nothing less than bullying. It used to be called griefing and it was a bannable offense when I made my nation. I realize it's accepted now but it's poorly implemented from a design perspective and my personal opinion is that such raiding should not be allowed.
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:50 pm
Ridersyl wrote:Natapoc wrote:
To be fair, how were we to even know that was against the rules?
The game moderators posted alerts on the RMB to knock it off before they actually started punishing Anarchy natives for the behavior. Except for the long-time native who decided it was a good idea to flame via his nation title. If you claim ignorance of the rules for him, then I have nothing to offer but a laugh.Natapoc wrote:I know you think raiding is fun, but to most users it's nothing less than bullying. It used to be called griefing and it was a bannable offense when I made my nation. I realize it's accepted now but it's poorly implemented from a design perspective and my personal opinion is that such raiding should not be allowed.
Most users simply don't care about R/D. And no, invading was never illegal. viewtopic.php?f=15&t=275968&p=18114629#p18114629Natapoc wrote:I'm not really all that upset with how Europeia is doing it. They are at least polite raiders.
Like I said originally, I hope your community doesn't act up like it did last time.Natapoc wrote:edit: I just looked up puppet flooding and I don't see how what anyone was doing even qualified as that. I can see how what you were doing probably did since your intent was clearly to annoy the residents but I don't think making duck puns was annoying. It was funny! And I'm pretty sure all the actual residents felt so as well.
Thankfully, this was sorted out at the time, and you're still wrong. The moderators ruled the multiple reports against me and other TBR pilers as inactionable, except for a warning I received for spamming the same message repeatedly under 'Super Yoko' (which I then stopped doing).
The 'duck pun' guy had his nations deleted for puppet-flooding, still came back to do the same thing, got in further trouble, and he is now Delete-on-Sight.
But sure, take that side. I guess even a DOS player is better than a dirty old raider.
by Natapoc » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:52 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Natapoc wrote:I know you think raiding is fun, but to most users it's nothing less than bullying. It used to be called griefing and it was a bannable offense when I made my nation. I realize it's accepted now but it's poorly implemented from a design perspective and my personal opinion is that such raiding should not be allowed.
Raiding was always legal. Only the ejection of natives was referred to as "region griefing," which was against site rules until the creation of regional influence, because prior to regional influence there was nothing besides the rules to offer natives any kind of protection or stop raiders from ejecting an entire native population in one update cycle. But just raiding a region without ejecting any natives has been legal since the site was created.
by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:42 pm
Natapoc wrote:I'm not claiming ignorance on anyone's behalf except my own. I have some of the same confusions that unibot expressed here: viewtopic.php?f=16&t=295109
If a seasoned R/D player could be confused, surely you can see how someone with no experience in R/D who was simply minding their own business when some bullies arrived and sent everyone threatening messages would not be aware of the subtleties?
Natapoc wrote:Your team was clearly using the moderators to try to harm us. Someone even decided to report my sig because they thought the link in it somehow could make me money (it could not). It was ridiculous
by RiderSyl » Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:52 pm
by The Violet Carson » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:42 pm
Natapoc wrote:How long do you all plan to stay?
Writinglegend wrote:No, this is merely a show of strength on the international stage by the ERN and its friends and allies.
Natapoc wrote:I know you think raiding is fun, but to most users it's nothing less than bullying.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Jan 07, 2016 11:11 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
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