Silly and/or Illegal GA Proposals. zOMG!

[Bears Armed Mission]

I'll TG both authors with advice about this, and to suggest that they ask for the Mods to remove those proposals from the list.

And both authors responded with TGs saying that they would do so, and thanking me for the advice.


Here's the basic text for the TG that I'm now using for such messages, in case anybody else here might also find it useful:

Friendly advice:
Your submitted GA proposal '(PROPOSAL TITLE)' is actually in breach of (several of) the official rules about writing GA proposals: (Explain main reason[s] why...)
I therefore suggest that you ask the Moderators to remove it from the list (using http://www.nationstates.net/page=help for this), because if you don’t do so and they delete it as illegal anyway then that will be a mark on your WA record… and accumulating three marks for illegal proposals gets a nation thrown out of the WA.
It's usually a good idea to post your draft proposals in the GA forum, so that experienced players can point out any such problems, instead of just submitting them straight away.

[Grays Harbor]

Environmental Emissions

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: All Businesses

Proposed by: Titel der Stadt

Description: Due to increasing environmental emissions, the World Assembly herby:
Requires all member nations to release a report on their emissions every quarter.
Prohibits nuclear facilities and mines with in 50 miles of a populated area.
Asks member nations to work on reducing their emissions.
Requests that cleaner energy be researched.
The World Assembly herby enacts this bill.

Not seeing where it really does anything besides offer up bumpersticker slogans.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

I'll TG both authors with advice about this, and to suggest that they ask for the Mods to remove those proposals from the list.

And both authors responded with TGs saying that they would do so, and thanking me for the advice.


Here's the basic text for the TG that I'm now using for such messages, in case anybody else here might also find it useful:

Friendly advice:
Your submitted GA proposal '(PROPOSAL TITLE)' is actually in breach of (several of) the official rules about writing GA proposals: (Explain main reason[s] why...)
I therefore suggest that you ask the Moderators to remove it from the list (using http://www.nationstates.net/page=help for this), because if you don’t do so and they delete it as illegal anyway then that will be a mark on your WA record… and accumulating three marks for illegal proposals gets a nation thrown out of the WA.
It's usually a good idea to post your draft proposals in the GA forum, so that experienced players can point out any such problems, instead of just submitting them straight away.

There's such a thing as being too helpful. There are many newer players who are willing to learn and improve, and actively reach out for assistance. Our efforts are better spent trying to help them, not mothering drive-by submitters who didn't even bother to check the rules before posting.

[Imperium Anglorum]

And both authors responded with TGs saying that they would do so, and thanking me for the advice.


Here's the basic text for the TG that I'm now using for such messages, in case anybody else here might also find it useful:

Friendly advice:
Your submitted GA proposal '(PROPOSAL TITLE)' is actually in breach of (several of) the official rules about writing GA proposals: (Explain main reason[s] why...)
I therefore suggest that you ask the Moderators to remove it from the list (using http://www.nationstates.net/page=help for this), because if you don’t do so and they delete it as illegal anyway then that will be a mark on your WA record… and accumulating three marks for illegal proposals gets a nation thrown out of the WA.
It's usually a good idea to post your draft proposals in the GA forum, so that experienced players can point out any such problems, instead of just submitting them straight away.

There's such a thing as being too helpful. There are many newer players who are willing to learn and improve, and actively reach out for assistance. Our efforts are better spent trying to help them, not mothering drive-by submitters who didn't even bother to check the rules before posting.

Then, make this

Inappropriate proposals will be removed. This includes proposals that:

• suggest changing how the game works (use the Forum instead)
• contain descriptions that do not match the category and effect
• are not worthy of the WA's consideration

For details, see the Rules for General Assembly proposals or Rules for Security Council proposals.

The WA takes proposals seriously and nations that repeatedly submit inappropriate proposals will be ejected.

bigger. Centred, in red, with large font size saying 'Inappropriate proposals will be removed' should help considerably. It's much too easy to fly straight past that section on the WA screen.

[Flanderlion]

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Might want to add in your tech thread to this:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=361907

[Bears Armed]

There's such a thing as being too helpful. There are many newer players who are willing to learn and improve, and actively reach out for assistance. Our efforts are better spent trying to help them, not mothering drive-by submitters who didn't even bother to check the rules before posting.

And their response to this TG gives us a hint as to which of those categories they actually belong in...

[JohnnyandtheContusions]

There's such a thing as being too helpful. There are many newer players who are willing to learn and improve, and actively reach out for assistance. Our efforts are better spent trying to help them, not mothering drive-by submitters who didn't even bother to check the rules before posting.

Then, make this

Inappropriate proposals will be removed. This includes proposals that:

• suggest changing how the game works (use the Forum instead)
• contain descriptions that do not match the category and effect
• are not worthy of the WA's consideration

For details, see the Rules for General Assembly proposals or Rules for Security Council proposals.

The WA takes proposals seriously and nations that repeatedly submit inappropriate proposals will be ejected.

bigger. Centred, in red, with large font size saying 'Inappropriate proposals will be removed' should help considerably. It's much too easy to fly straight past that section on the WA screen.

I've long advocated making that part of the submission form more prominent, so yes, I would support something like that. It even looks like they finally added links to the rules; they weren't always there.

There's such a thing as being too helpful. There are many newer players who are willing to learn and improve, and actively reach out for assistance. Our efforts are better spent trying to help them, not mothering drive-by submitters who didn't even bother to check the rules before posting.

And their response to this TG gives us a hint as to which of those categories they actually belong in...

Look, the proposals were crap whether they responded favorably to legal advice or not. I'd be much more encouraged if they were interested in trying to improve the quality of their work, not just the bare legality.

[Grays Harbor]

Increase Educational Spending

A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Proposed by: Normexia

Description: This is a proposal to increase educational spending in all Europeian countries which give our future adults more knowledge for career's in politics and other similar jobs.

Does nothing, bloggy

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No More Use Of Gases

A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Normexia

Description: [b]Description[b]:Since the First World War the world has used gases such as Mustard Gas and Chlorine Gas and these gas have caused many deaths from WW1 to today this law will ban the use of any gas that causes harm to another Human Being.

[b]Reasons:[b]

1.First used in WW1 by Germans, killed many soldiers of different nations.

2.More peaceful methods could be used to detain criminals and stop riots.

3.Passing this law will stop the use of these gases by terrorist and invading organization and help our changing world into a time of peace.

One continuous stream of RL references.

[The Candy Of Bottles]

Increase Educational Spending

A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity

Area of Effect: Educational

Proposed by: Normexia

Description: This is a proposal to increase educational spending in all Europeian countries which give our future adults more knowledge for career's in politics and other similar jobs.

Does nothing, bloggy

Looks like branding and meta-gaming too, attempting to impact a single region.

No More Use Of Gases

A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Normexia

Description: [b]Description[b]:Since the First World War the world has used gases such as Mustard Gas and Chlorine Gas and these gas have caused many deaths from WW1 to today this law will ban the use of any gas that causes harm to another Human Being.

[b]Reasons:[b]

1.First used in WW1 by Germans, killed many soldiers of different nations.

2.More peaceful methods could be used to detain criminals and stop riots.

3.Passing this law will stop the use of these gases by terrorist and invading organization and help our changing world into a time of peace.

One continuous stream of RL references.

Also, duplication/contradiction of GAR #272, Chemical Weapons Accord

[Herby]

Environmental Emissions

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: All Businesses

Proposed by: Titel der Stadt

Description: Due to increasing environmental emissions, the World Assembly herby:
Requires all member nations to release a report on their emissions every quarter.
Prohibits nuclear facilities and mines with in 50 miles of a populated area.
Asks member nations to work on reducing their emissions.
Requests that cleaner energy be researched.
The World Assembly herby enacts this bill.

Not seeing where it really does anything besides offer up bumpersticker slogans.

Highlighted my favorite parts for you. And for the record I don't do any of those things.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Environmental Emissions

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: All Businesses

Proposed by: Titel der Stadt

Description: Due to increasing environmental emissions, the World Assembly herby:
Requires all member nations to release a report on their emissions every quarter.
Prohibits nuclear facilities and mines with in 50 miles of a populated area.
Asks member nations to work on reducing their emissions.
Requests that cleaner energy be researched.
The World Assembly herby enacts this bill.

Not seeing where it really does anything besides offer up bumpersticker slogans.

Highlighted my favorite parts for you. And for the record I don't do any of those things.

Depends on whether you're the World Assembly Herby or not.

ban the use of any gas that causes harm to another Human Being

Storm happens. Causes one injury. Damn you oxygen, water vapour, and nitrogen! We must ban them all! Note that this response is satirical in nature.

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ban the use of any gas that causes harm to another Human Being

Storm happens. Causes one injury. Damn you oxygen, water vapour, and nitrogen! We must ban them all!

Well, it certainly would ban the use of all compressed gases (a hazard class all to itself), which would render pneumatic equipment, refrigerators, air conditioners, natural gas heaters and most barbecue grills useless. It would also outlaw anesthesia.

[Grays Harbor]

The Trading Increase

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.


Category: Free Trade

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: Jahoole

Description: By Accepting this resolution, you can get more trade with other countries outside the WA, so you can get more money, ideas, and a faster increase in population.

By accepting this you will get a better economy and more help in trading with dairy products, cars, weapons, basket weaving, information technology, gambling, mining, insurance, book publishing, timber wood chipping, and trout fishing.

It will help you with whatever economy ideas you have. You can still keep out foreigners or let people come in. It really doesn't matter except the fact that this will help your economy.

Even at "mild" strength I'm not seeing where this does much of anything.

[Grays Harbor]

Reversal of Climate Change

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental

Industry Affected: Automotive

Proposed by: Allmanland

Description: The scientific community is nearly unanimous in that climate change is real, it is caused by human activity and it is already causing devastating effects. The World Assembly must lead the globe in aggressively fighting climate change and make certain that this planet is habitable for our children and grandchildren.

Considering the magnitude of this issue, forceful and comprehensive action must be taken. Hence, it is suggested that the World Assembly…

1. Strongly encourage nations to move away from fossil fuel and instead look to renewable resources such as water, wind, solar, etc. by instituting a tax on carbon and methane emissions.

2. Encourage vehicle manufacturers to invest in producing vehicles which do not rely on fossil fuel for power and instead run on renewable resources by taxing car companies on each vehicle they produce that is reliant on non-renewable resources.

3. Mandate that at least 5% of a nation’s lands be protected by the government for environmental protection purposes.

4. Force all nations to have at least one National Park protected by the federal government.

5. Encourage nations’ leaders to secure grants to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by at least 25%.

6. Ban any and all pipelines transporting unclean oil from bypassing an Assembly nation.

7. Impose stricter limits on the amount of carbon emissions plants can produce.

8. Force the richer half of the nations to pay for half of the cost for the poorer nations.

We are at a moment of truth of whether or not our planet will survive. This legislation is the first step in keeping our planet habitable for generations to come.

Environmental-Automotive?
And then it goes downhill from there, just chock full of naive and simplistic.
Mandating taxes for nations
One national park?
"FORCE" nations to pay 50% of all costs for so-called "poor" nations?
And this is my favorite; "Impose stricter limits on the amount of carbon emissions plants can produce." Legislate plants? Tell the trees to limit their emissions? Seriously?

This is completely weird.

[Potted Plants United]

And this is my favorite; "Impose stricter limits on the amount of carbon emissions plants can produce." Legislate plants? Tell the trees to limit their emissions? Seriously?

Hey now, that's not necessarily as impossible as you'd think...

But yeah, there's also the "RL =/= NS" and mention of "by the federal government" and such... also, it's likely a reaction to this.

[Imperium Anglorum]

And this is my favorite; "Impose stricter limits on the amount of carbon emissions plants can produce." Legislate plants? Tell the trees to limit their emissions? Seriously?

Hey now, that's not necessarily as impossible as you'd think...

But yeah, there's also the "RL =/= NS" and mention of "by the federal government" and such... also, it's likely a reaction to this.

OOC: If I could do anything right now, I wish I could make Europe's forums look like that website. But that's probably because I'm a bit tipsy and much too exhausted right now.

[Bananaistan]

Environmental-Automotive?
And then it goes downhill from there, just chock full of naive and simplistic.
Mandating taxes for nations
One national park?
"FORCE" nations to pay 50% of all costs for so-called "poor" nations?
And this is my favorite; "Impose stricter limits on the amount of carbon emissions plants can produce." Legislate plants? Tell the trees to limit their emissions? Seriously?

This is completely weird.

Eh, you do know that, like a whole load of other words in the English language, plant has more than one meaning.

In any case, I quite liked the assumption that every nation has a federal government. Or perhaps the author thought that one particular nation's federal government would do the protecting of the national parks.

[Bears Armed Mission]

I've received a TG telling me that another attempt to repeal 'Ban on Leaded Fuel' had been submitted, but that proposal had already been removed from the list before I looked for it there: Did anybody here keep a copy of it that they could & would post for me to examine?

[Frisbeeteria]

I've received a TG telling me that another attempt to repeal 'Ban on Leaded Fuel' had been submitted, but that proposal had already been removed from the list before I looked for it there: Did anybody here keep a copy of it that they could & would post for me to examine?

As recorded in the mod logs:

<moderator> deleted the UN proposal "Repeal "Ban on Leaded Fuel"".
ID: franz_republic_1448856955.
Author: franz_republic.
Created: Sun Nov 29 20:15:55 2015.
Category: repeal.
Text: RECOGNIZING that many vehicle drivers depend on low-cost fuel,
NOTING that when people can't buy gas, they can't get to work, and they lose their job, causing the economy to fall.
MANDATES that in order to increase happiness of lower-class workers, and to improve economies,

Oddly enough, this appears to be the entire text. I'm guessing they put more effort into the campaign than into writing the damn thing.

[Bears Armed]

I've received a TG telling me that another attempt to repeal 'Ban on Leaded Fuel' had been submitted, but that proposal had already been removed from the list before I looked for it there: Did anybody here keep a copy of it that they could & would post for me to examine?

As recorded in the mod logs:

<moderator> deleted the UN proposal "Repeal "Ban on Leaded Fuel"".

ID: franz_republic_1448856955.
Author: franz_republic.
Created: Sun Nov 29 20:15:55 2015.
Category: repeal.
Text: RECOGNIZING that many vehicle drivers depend on low-cost fuel,
NOTING that when people can't buy gas, they can't get to work, and they lose their job, causing the economy to fall.
MANDATES that in order to increase happiness of lower-class workers, and to improve economies,

Oddly enough, this appears to be the entire text. I'm guessing they put more effort into the campaign than into writing the damn thing.

Thank you.

*(sends over a gift basket of this nation's produce, including a large jar of high-quality honey and a large bottle of high-quality maple syrup as well as assorted fruits and nuts)*

[The Republic of Cans]

I think we should get a big boat and load it with criminals and poor people, and send them to some s up if tiny island

[Grays Harbor]

I think we should get a big boat and load it with criminals and poor people, and send them to some s up if tiny island

And what does that have to do with anything here? You got a proposal, write one. In a seperate thread. So it can be debated. This ain't the place for it.

[Grays Harbor]

Refugee Provision Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Hyderbourg

Description: Description: Affirming the right of member nations to decline service citizens of nations that they deem a threat, regardless of their condition.

Concerned that there does not yet exist any legislation to protect asylum seekers and refugees in regards of safe, sizable, and decent provisions outside of their country.

Observing that many refugees granted asylum are not able to acquire provisions in member nations of the World Assembly.

This World Assembly hereby:

1. Maintains the right of member nations to decline the presence of non-citizens in their country if the non-citizens are deemed a threat.

2. Maintains the right of member nations to have knowledge of the entering non-citizens and track them in any way they feel necessary..

3. Mandates that member nations provide provisions for refugees of other member nations that have already been admitted into the country.

4. Mandates that these provisions are sizable and healthy in content.

Directs the Provisions Commission (PC) to ensure that refugees and asylum seekers are fed properly in their duration within member nations by providing funds and assistance to nations which are unable to cover the cost of provisions.

Lets see ...
Refugee Protection, #57 covers most all of this.

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Lets see ...
Refugee Protection, #57 covers most all of this.

Was just going to post that here. Plus, and this is just my opinion, I can't imagine anything that would include clauses like 1 and 2 could be classified as Human Rights/Significant.

[Grays Harbor]

A peoples union

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Crousate

Description: The people should have a union where they take the peoples selection in to congress

WTF? This merits "Strong" strength? This ain't even worth "mild".

Inconceivable