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Vancouvia
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Vancouvia » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:33 am

After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur? Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?

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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:38 am

Vancouvia wrote:After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur? Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?

Ideally you would respond to criticism in your proposal thread until you're not getting people complaining that the proposal is illegal but you will not get an official notification from moderation telling you it's okay.
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Alotopia
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Postby Alotopia » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:41 am

Vancouvia wrote:After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur? Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?


Most of the legality issues will arise during the drafting process. Other players will comment saying something like, "Contradicts GA Resolution ####" or "Wrong Category" etc...

The mods would remove it from the GA floor if it was illegal. And that occurs when one of them sees it and notices it is illegal.

Only submit it if you think it is free of illegalites. If the mods pull it, I believe there is a mark against your nation.

I think I answered everything Correctly bit I might of forgotten something.
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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Apr 26, 2015 11:43 am

Vancouvia wrote:After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur?

It's pretty much a crapshoot. You might get very lucky and have a moderator happen by your thread, but it's much more likely you'll receive no response unless you proactively seek out one. Months later, once the ruling's been delivered, you can proceed.
Vancouvia wrote:Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?

They don't really give you much other choice, sometimes.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:32 pm

Vancouvia wrote:After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur? Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?

I got a prompt reply when I edited "[MOD INPUT NEEDED]" into my draft thread title. Though you should only try bothering them if there's a specific point of contention about your proposal's legality. They don't run blanket legality checks.
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Vancouvia
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Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Vancouvia » Sun Apr 26, 2015 12:34 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:After letting a proposal thread sit on the floor for an extended period of time, will I ever be notified that my proposal is legal and therefore would not be removed if I submitted it? Who would do this and when does this occur? Or am I just to submit it and hope it isn't removed?

I got a prompt reply when I edited "[MOD INPUT NEEDED]" into my draft thread title. Though you should only try bothering them if there's a specific point of contention about your proposal's legality. They don't run blanket legality checks.



Don't they have to run a blanket legality check after one submits it to the floor though?

Thanks for everyone's information, I really appreciate it.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:00 pm

No, they moderate proposals for specific offenses (whether reported or a mod just happens to spot something); they don't screen each and every one after submission. Some of the mods get "delete-happy," however (particularly if they're competing in the Mod Olympics :roll:), so if there is a dispute over the legality of something in your proposal, it's best you flag down a mod prior to submission.
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Bears Armed Mission
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:15 am

In my experience posting a request for their opinion in the Moderation forum usually works, although sometimes they might need a reminder or two.
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Army of Comrade
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Postby Army of Comrade » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:29 pm

Just to ask, is there a resolution that deals with restricting planet-annihilating technology? I trolled the forums but did not find any.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:33 pm

No, and the last time such an idea was entertained, it did not go over well.
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Army of Comrade
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Postby Army of Comrade » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:24 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:No, and the last time such an idea was entertained, it did not go over well.

Can you give me a link?

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Vancouvia
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Postby Vancouvia » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:57 pm

Army of Comrade wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:No, and the last time such an idea was entertained, it did not go over well.

Can you give me a link?



The green text was the link: viewtopic.php?p=21739340#p21739340

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Scary Nation
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Postby Scary Nation » Sun May 03, 2015 8:30 am

I thought this was a general discussion forum
I cannot open a new thread ?

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Scary Nation
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Postby Scary Nation » Sun May 03, 2015 8:32 am

I am the only citizen of my nation
I am a female and I just created a law that oppresses me

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Ardchoille
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Postby Ardchoille » Sun May 03, 2015 9:18 am

Scary Nation wrote:I thought this was a general discussion forum
I cannot open a new thread ?

This is not a general discussion forum. The General forum is here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=20. It's where people debate real-world topics.

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I am a female and I just created a law that oppresses me

If you have questions about an Issue (where you vote on a dilemma that the game gives to your government), go to the Issues forum, here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewforum.php?f=13

This forum, the General Assembly, is where nations make international laws. To start a thread in it, go to the NEW TOPIC button on the top left-hand side of the forum menu (the list of threads). The stickied thread on Rules and General Advice will give you some useful links to find out what goes on here: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348. The best way to get familiar with it is to read some of the threads. Each drafting thread discusses a proposal that a writer thinks would make a good law for this intrrnational body.
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Pan-American Airlines
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Repeals

Postby Pan-American Airlines » Wed May 06, 2015 6:12 pm

I am trying to submit a repeal in the General Assembly, but there is no repeal category in the list. How would I make my proposal a repeal?

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Alotopia
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Postby Alotopia » Wed May 06, 2015 6:21 pm

Pan-American Airlines wrote:I am trying to submit a repeal in the General Assembly, but there is no repeal category in the list. How would I make my proposal a repeal?


Before you submit a repeal, I would suggest you run it through the General Assembly forum and ask for comments. I only say this because this seems to be your first post on Nationstates and I really don't want you to post an illegal repeal and have it pulled by the mods. Having it "peer reviewed" is definitely a good way to ensure that your repeal is well written and has a chance at passing.

I know it doesn't answer your question, but I am just trying to make sure once you find the button, that it isn't pulled 5 seconds later...
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Postby Alqania » Wed May 06, 2015 6:49 pm

Pan-American Airlines wrote:I am trying to submit a repeal in the General Assembly, but there is no repeal category in the list. How would I make my proposal a repeal?


You go to the resolution you'd like to repeal (for example, if it's GA Resolution #2, you go here) and at the bottom of the resolution you'll find a link saying [Repeal this Resolution] - click that and voilà!
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Wed May 06, 2015 9:40 pm

Pan-American Airlines wrote:I am trying to submit a repeal in the General Assembly, but there is no repeal category in the list. How would I make my proposal a repeal?

It's not another repeal of Responsible Arms Trading, is it? :eyebrow:
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Kaboomlandia
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu May 07, 2015 6:24 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:
Pan-American Airlines wrote:I am trying to submit a repeal in the General Assembly, but there is no repeal category in the list. How would I make my proposal a repeal?

It's not another repeal of Responsible Arms Trading, is it? :eyebrow:

I mean, we've already seen seven of them pulled for the same reasons over and over :eyebrow:
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Postby Karakis » Fri May 08, 2015 8:34 am

This proposal was rejected for technical reasons. Can you help me fix it
While recognizing that not all recreational drugs are dangerous, it has been shown that the majority are dangerous to people's health, and have been known to cause people to harm others. In order to prevent people from harming themselves or others, no person will be allowed to sell any drug with out a license, or buy any drug with out a prescription. Furthermore, all licensed drug dealers must be audited every year, and all prescriptions must be authorized by at least three medical doctors. Copies of these prescriptions must be kept by the dealers for at least two years. In addition, any person or group wishing to use a drug for any reason other than medical, must obtain a Non-Medical Drug Use Permit (NMDUP) from the WA. These people or groups will be strictly monitored and must have the permit renewed every six months.
The following drugs will be completely illegal with or with out a prescription (but may be obtained with an NMDUP):
    Opiates (Synthetic opiates, aka, opioids will remain legal with prescription)
    Methamphetamines
The following drugs will be exempt from this law:
    Caffeine
    Alcohol

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri May 08, 2015 8:38 am

Karakis wrote:This proposal was rejected for technical reasons. Can you help me fix it
While recognizing that not all recreational drugs are dangerous, it has been shown that the majority are dangerous to people's health, and have been known to cause people to harm others. In order to prevent people from harming themselves or others, no person will be allowed to sell any drug with out a license, or buy any drug with out a prescription. Furthermore, all licensed drug dealers must be audited every year, and all prescriptions must be authorized by at least three medical doctors. Copies of these prescriptions must be kept by the dealers for at least two years. In addition, any person or group wishing to use a drug for any reason other than medical, must obtain a Non-Medical Drug Use Permit (NMDUP) from the WA. These people or groups will be strictly monitored and must have the permit renewed every six months.
The following drugs will be completely illegal with or with out a prescription (but may be obtained with an NMDUP):
    Opiates (Synthetic opiates, aka, opioids will remain legal with prescription)
    Methamphetamines
The following drugs will be exempt from this law:
    Caffeine
    Alcohol

What you really ought to do is go ahead and post it on the forum as its own topic, so you can get feedback and comments from other players. That is traditionally how things are done here.

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Omigodtheykilledkenny
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri May 08, 2015 8:48 am

Karakis wrote:This proposal was rejected for technical reasons. Can you help me fix it
While recognizing that not all recreational drugs are dangerous, it has been shown that the majority are dangerous to people's health, and have been known to cause people to harm others. In order to prevent people from harming themselves or others, no person will be allowed to sell any drug with out a license, or buy any drug with out a prescription. Furthermore, all licensed drug dealers must be audited every year, and all prescriptions must be authorized by at least three medical doctors. Copies of these prescriptions must be kept by the dealers for at least two years. In addition, any person or group wishing to use a drug for any reason other than medical, must obtain a Non-Medical Drug Use Permit (NMDUP) from the WA. These people or groups will be strictly monitored and must have the permit renewed every six months.
The following drugs will be completely illegal with or with out a prescription (but may be obtained with an NMDUP):
    Opiates (Synthetic opiates, aka, opioids will remain legal with prescription)
    Methamphetamines
The following drugs will be exempt from this law:
    Caffeine
    Alcohol

Well then I hope it was for a category violation, because I don't see anything wrong with the text as is (unless a mod decided that methamphetamines were a "medically essential drug" or something).

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Fri May 08, 2015 10:01 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Well then I hope it was for a category violation, because I don't see anything wrong with the text as is (unless a mod decided that methamphetamines were a "medically essential drug" or something).

Kryo? It was probably you. Explain?

Category.
I know you're not a fan of doing away with the category system, but this is the sort of ruling that makes me think it's better to just scrap the category system and have custom stats set by those who can actually tell what this difference is between a "very strong regulation" and "an absolute prohibition"!
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Karakis
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Postby Karakis » Fri May 08, 2015 10:08 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Karakis wrote:This proposal was rejected for technical reasons. Can you help me fix it

What you really ought to do is go ahead and post it on the forum as its own topic, so you can get feedback and comments from other players. That is traditionally how things are done here.

thanks

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