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Postby Sedgistan » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:51 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:Does this affect the "International Aid" subcategory for Health proposals? Will other changes have any consequences for the WA?

It will, and probably. As and when new stats are introduced, it's likely they'll be incorporated into GA proposal categories too. I'd say it's a slow process, but that's a given (both with Issues and the GA). There are some ideas for new GA proposal categories to take advantage of new stats that've been discussed behind the scenes. If anyone has ideas of their own, feel free to start a thread in Technical.

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:02 am

Sedgistan wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Does this affect the "International Aid" subcategory for Health proposals? Will other changes have any consequences for the WA?

It will, and probably. As and when new stats are introduced, it's likely they'll be incorporated into GA proposal categories too. I'd say it's a slow process, but that's a given (both with Issues and the GA). There are some ideas for new GA proposal categories to take advantage of new stats that've been discussed behind the scenes. If anyone has ideas of their own, feel free to start a thread in Technical.

Thanks. :)

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:46 am

If one were to make a proposal that would be interpreted to be illegal, do they have to be within the same categories, or just the proposals of the WA?
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Postby Defwa » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:19 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:If one were to make a proposal that would be interpreted to be illegal, do they have to be within the same categories, or just the proposals of the WA?

I'm not sure what you mean. A proposal is illegal if it violates any of the rules.
The main ones to watch out for are usually contradiction/duplication of existing legislation, category violations, proposals that only create a committee, and ones without active clauses.

But once again, if it violates any rule, the proposal is instantly illegal.
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Postby Mousebumples » Fri Nov 14, 2014 2:20 pm

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Sedgistan wrote:It will, and probably. As and when new stats are introduced, it's likely they'll be incorporated into GA proposal categories too. I'd say it's a slow process, but that's a given (both with Issues and the GA). There are some ideas for new GA proposal categories to take advantage of new stats that've been discussed behind the scenes. If anyone has ideas of their own, feel free to start a thread in Technical.

Thanks. :)

For those who want to peruse old threads on potential new categories, these are the ones I'm aware of. If there are any I've overlooked when I did a quick-and-dirty Technical search, please feel free to bring them to our attention (by either posting links here or bumping them up in Tech). And, like Sedge said, feel free to start a new thread on proposal categories you'd like to see added/altered. No guarantees of course, but input from the players that will be using any potential new categories would be beneficial.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:22 pm

Mousebumples wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:Thanks. :)

For those who want to peruse old threads on potential new categories, these are the ones I'm aware of. If there are any I've overlooked when I did a quick-and-dirty Technical search, please feel free to bring them to our attention (by either posting links here or bumping them up in Tech). And, like Sedge said, feel free to start a new thread on proposal categories you'd like to see added/altered. No guarantees of course, but input from the players that will be using any potential new categories would be beneficial.

Yes. But these old threads - there were some on Jolt, too, though I know you don't like their being mentioned - tend to go the same way, spawning vast amounts of wild speculation, drawing up a few very vague ideas on which no real consensus is reached, and receiving very little in the way of meaningful. All of which is perfectly understandable - but I'd rather ask direct questions, as I did above, than spitball another "wouldn't it be cool if we could have a Flying Jetpack Laser Shark category..." pipedream.

Thanks anyway.
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:15 am

We already know that proposals whose operative clauses only “Urge” and “Encourage” can be legal if assigned the strength of ‘Mild’. What’s the rule for proposals in those categories that have ‘areas-of-effect’ rather than ‘strengths’ as such?
Specifically, does the Bears’ current draft on ‘Promotion of Dance’ do enough to be legal?
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Postby Defwa » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:52 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:We already know that proposals whose operative clauses only “Urge” and “Encourage” can be legal if assigned the strength of ‘Mild’. What’s the rule for proposals in those categories that have ‘areas-of-effect’ rather than ‘strengths’ as such?
Specifically, does the Bears’ current draft on ‘Promotion of Dance’ do enough to be legal?

Well you've picked the 'mildest' option. I know arguments about the limitations of the category system don't always fly but I wouldn't expect issue.

At worst we can figure out something broad and inoffensive to mandate.
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:11 am

I think I recall the mods saying that area of effect proposals must be at least equivalent to a "Significant" strength level, which according to the rules can use soft language if they affect "a fair-sized area of policy."
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:50 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:I think I recall the mods saying that area of effect proposals must be at least equivalent to a "Significant" strength level, which according to the rules can use soft language if they affect "a fair-sized area of policy."

Ardchoille was talking about the Gun Control / Gambling / RDU ones with that one, as I remember. They've certainly allowed some very, very mild proposals in Education & Creativity to pass before, though as always, precedent is no guarantee of anything.

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Postby Mikeaslavia » Tue Dec 09, 2014 12:52 am

What happened to the proposal in the General Assembly? The antipollution bill had 2 more days to get the necessary votes to come to the floor and it disappeared.

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Postby Chester Pearson » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:04 am

Mikeaslavia wrote:What happened to the proposal in the General Assembly? The antipollution bill had 2 more days to get the necessary votes to come to the floor and it disappeared.


Something tell me it was deleted for being illegal....
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Tue Dec 09, 2014 1:09 am

The RL references - to RL oceans - were probably the reason it was deleted.

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Postby Mousebumples » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:06 am

If you submit a proposal that is removed for being illegal, you should get a telegram from a Game Mod with information about why it was illegal.

If you weren't the author and want to know why it was removed, you can ask here - although the Silly & Illegal proposal thread might be a better option if you have the proposal text. Most illegalities in such proposals are fairly obvious, as DSR stated above. (Note: I don't recall that specific proposal myself, so I won't guarantee that that's why it was removed, but that seems like a reasonable explanation.)
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Postby Polska Konserwatywna » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:22 pm

Can I make a resolution to opt out of selected WA resolutions? If no, can I make a resolution to declare all prior resolutions void? If so, how should that resolution be structured?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:54 pm

Polska Konserwatywna wrote:Can I make a resolution to opt out of selected WA resolutions? If no, can I make a resolution to declare all prior resolutions void? If so, how should that resolution be structured?

Both options are against the rules.

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Postby Chester Pearson » Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:09 pm

Polska Konserwatywna wrote:Can I make a resolution to opt out of selected WA resolutions? If no, can I make a resolution to declare all prior resolutions void? If so, how should that resolution be structured?


Sure you can. Or you can make things easier for yourself, and navigate to the main WA page. At the top there is a button labeled resign. Click it, and all your troubles vanish in an instant....
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:44 am

Polska Konserwatywna wrote:If no, can I make a resolution to declare all prior resolutions void? If so, how should that resolution be structured?

You can attempt to repeal them (except for the very first one, creating the WA, which is immune to such attempts...), but only one-by-one rather than all-at-once...
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:12 pm

Is it possible to make a resolution which would ban 'blockers'?

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Postby Defwa » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:34 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Is it possible to make a resolution which would ban 'blockers'?

Its not legal to legislate on WA processes and everything must be written in the context of what member nations can and cannot do. It might be possible if you can fit it into a context of national actions but I'd a weird line and one I would not recommend standing on.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:12 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Is it possible to make a resolution which would ban 'blockers'?

Even if it were legal - which it's probably not, because it's general illegal to write the resolutions about WA mechanics - it would not be practical. A resolution banning slavery is in practice a blocker, because while in place no other resolution can ban, legalise, or generally legislate on slavery. Most resolutions are blockers of a sort, even if we don't think of them that way.

If you have an aversion to blockers, you should be aware that some - such as National Economic Freedoms - are no longer enforced. Rather than trying to ban them, you could convince the moderators to not enforce others.

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Postby Diyel Grandiose » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:36 pm

Rookie member here ...

What happens in the passed proposals?

do they become legislation that are addressed as issues?

:unsure: :?:

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:44 pm

Diyel Grandiose wrote:What happens in the passed proposals?

Once they pass, they have an immediate, one-time effect on any nation that is a member of the WA at that time. They are also considered to be legally binding on all WA member nations.
Diyel Grandiose wrote:do they become legislation that are addressed as issues?

No, WA resolutions and issues aren't connected.

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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:43 am

Would it be really hard, if not, impossible to make a resolution supporting the rights of other sapient?
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Postby Bears Armed » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:47 am

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Would it be really hard, if not, impossible to make a resolution supporting the rights of other sapient?

Several attempts have reached the voting stage. None have passed. (My own version received somewhere around 40-45% of the votes cast.)
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