General Assembly Q&A

[Ardchoille]

Thanks, sorted. C&Ping does have its failings.

[Dark Fire]

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=312496
There were some remarks about this proposal being potentially illegal for duplication/contradiction of GAR#2. Could someone tell me if it is?

[Mallorea and Riva]

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=312496
There were some remarks about this proposal being potentially illegal for duplication/contradiction of GAR#2. Could someone tell me if it is?

Keep seeking the advice of experienced players within your thread before asking for a Secretariat opinion.

[Baltic-Balkan Union]

the game seems to deleted my proposal because it is invalid? but it was normal and like other ones it had the right strength too it said to disarm all nuclear weapons above 10mt (and bioweapons with toxicity rating of 4=8,000 deaths per 1 kilogram) also gas weapons (the proposal said gas arms)
with the same rating as bioweapon

[Separatist Peoples]

the game seems to deleted my proposal because it is invalid? but it was normal and like other ones it had the right strength too it said to disarm all nuclear weapons above 10mt (and bioweapons with toxicity rating of 4=8,000 deaths per 1 kilogram) also gas weapons (the proposal said gas arms)
with the same rating as bioweapon

Sounds like it Duplicated the Bioweapon Convention and Nuclear Arms Possession Act, making it illegal.

[The Dark Star Republic]

the game seems to deleted my proposal because it is invalid? but it was normal and like other ones it had the right strength too it said to disarm all nuclear weapons above 10mt (and bioweapons with toxicity rating of 4=8,000 deaths per 1 kilogram) also gas weapons (the proposal said gas arms)
with the same rating as bioweapon

As noted, it's probable that your proposal conflicted with previous passed resolutions such as the Nuclear Arms Possession Act, Biological Warfare Convention, and Chemical Weapons Accord. Without seeing the text of your proposal, it's impossible to say if it violated any other proposal rules such as format and category.

[Topid]

This isn't a question about a proposal but I am looking for an answer, so I hope this is appropriate.

I'm aware there used to be (a loooong time ago) at least two 'organizations' advocating for NatSov. NSwiki.net is gone and I can't find references to it on .org, and I'm having problems finding references to them in the forums (we use the term NatSov and national sovereignty way to often to search through the posts, and no OPs address them on this forum, so I guess they go back to old days.

I'm aware several regions, like Gatesville, have taken up the name of NatSov, but I'm trying to remember the non-region ones. My mind is blank and cannot recall what it used to know. Can an old person help me?

[Gruenberg]

This isn't a question about a proposal but I am looking for an answer, so I hope this is appropriate.

I'm aware there used to be (a loooong time ago) at least two 'organizations' advocating for NatSov. NSwiki.net is gone and I can't find references to it on .org, and I'm having problems finding references to them in the forums (we use the term NatSov and national sovereignty way to often to search through the posts, and no OPs address them on this forum, so I guess they go back to old days.

I'm aware several regions, like Gatesville, have taken up the name of NatSov, but I'm trying to remember the non-region ones. My mind is blank and cannot recall what it used to know. Can an old person help me? :P

The main one was the National Sovereignty Organization (NSwiki).

As for what the second one was: well, there was an organization that preceded the NSO but I don't know that there's any archive of them, they certainly didn't accomplish much. There was the ACCEL: though not exclusively a national sovereigntist organization, they did draft a few proposals. Their forums are gone now too. There was the ill-fated Economic Sovereignty Coalition which didn't really accomplish anything. There was UN DEFCON, which opposed weapons bans but wasn't exclusively sovereigntist or anything.

But, that's using a definition of national sovereignty that's quite different from what it means now.

[Topid]

This isn't a question about a proposal but I am looking for an answer, so I hope this is appropriate.

I'm aware there used to be (a loooong time ago) at least two 'organizations' advocating for NatSov. NSwiki.net is gone and I can't find references to it on .org, and I'm having problems finding references to them in the forums (we use the term NatSov and national sovereignty way to often to search through the posts, and no OPs address them on this forum, so I guess they go back to old days.

I'm aware several regions, like Gatesville, have taken up the name of NatSov, but I'm trying to remember the non-region ones. My mind is blank and cannot recall what it used to know. Can an old person help me?

The main one was the National Sovereignty Organization (NSwiki).

As for what the second one was: well, there was an organization that preceded the NSO but I don't know that there's any archive of them, they certainly didn't accomplish much. There was the ACCEL: though not exclusively a national sovereigntist organization, they did draft a few proposals. Their forums are gone now too. There was the ill-fated Economic Sovereignty Coalition which didn't really accomplish anything. There was UN DEFCON, which opposed weapons bans but wasn't exclusively sovereigntist or anything.

But, that's using a definition of national sovereignty that's quite different from what it means now.

THANK YOU. I don't know why I couldn't find that article.

The other one I was trying to think of was NSO's predecessor, the NSC. But wow, ACCEL, that's something I haven't thought about in a while either.

[Bears Armed Mission]

There was UN DEFCON, which opposed weapons bans

Except for bans on bio-weapons, IIRC: Wasn't a ban on those actually drafted in the DEFCON forum?

[Gruenberg]

There was UN DEFCON, which opposed weapons bans

Except for bans on bio-weapons, IIRC: Wasn't a ban on those actually drafted in the DEFCON forum?

Yes, although the justification was that the communicability of biological pathogens made them an international problem that rendered national sovereignty concerns moot.

I was generalising, and Topid was evidently talking about the NSC in any case.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The other one I was trying to think of was NSO's predecessor, the NSC. But wow, ACCEL, that's something I haven't thought about in a while either.

There was actually a third one, circa 2011, run by Iron Felix and didn't really have a formal name but was nicknamed "NSO II."

[Gruenberg]

Was that "The Sovereigntist Saloon"? I wasn't involved, but I seem to remember the name.

[The Dark Star Republic]

So, I asked here about getting an opinion on my proposal. It's since dropped off the page a couple of times with no response, so I just wanted to check whether it was at least under review?

[Chester Pearson]

So, I asked here about getting an opinion on my proposal. It's since dropped off the page a couple of times with no response, so I just wanted to check whether it was at least under review?

I wouldn't hold your breath... Best advice is to pester the shit out of them with GHR's. Eventually they will respond.

[Kryozerkia]

So, I asked here about getting an opinion on my proposal. It's since dropped off the page a couple of times with no response, so I just wanted to check whether it was at least under review?

I wouldn't hold your breath... Best worst advice is to pester the shit out of them with GHR's. Eventually they will respond.

We strongly advise against this.

Dark Star, if you find your query is forgotten, a reminder through the Mod forums or a GHR, depending where your original question was, is welcome. If it's seen by a non-WA mod, they will pass it on to those versed in the WA proposal rules. Patience is virtue. As for the link, I've noted it and will confer with the others for an answer.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Patience is virtue.

As for the link, I've noted it and will confer with the others for an answer.

Thanks.

[Chester Pearson]

Patience is virtue.

So is admitting your wrong when you screw up, but hey.....

DS if this is the same group that accidently deletes legal proposals, I wouldn't hold your breath on getting a ruling anytime soon....

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Was that "The Sovereigntist Saloon"? I wasn't involved, but I seem to remember the name.

Eyup. At least that was the forum name. We never got around to officially branding ourselves -- and activity seemed to peter off after some months anyway, so the issue became moot.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Patience is virtue.

As for the link, I've noted it and will confer with the others for an answer.

Thanks.

Maybe you guys should start keeping track of when opinions are requested, when they're noted, and when they're finally addressed.. along with all the times they're missed and/or ignored and/or forgotten about.

[Chester Pearson]

along with all the times they're missed and/or ignored and/or forgotten about.

Is their a database big enough?

[The Dark Star Republic]

along with all the times they're missed and/or ignored and/or forgotten about.

Is their a database big enough? :roll:

Yeah, I certainly don't have enough memory/data for that. Nice idea GR, but it rests on the supposition that they care. They don't.

[Patrimonium Petri]

Is their a database big enough?

Yeah, I certainly don't have enough memory/data for that. Nice idea GR, but it rests on the supposition that they care. They don't.

Hmm.. Why don't they care?

[Separatist Peoples]

Yeah, I certainly don't have enough memory/data for that. Nice idea GR, but it rests on the supposition that they care. They don't.

Hmm.. Why don't they care?

That's the $64,000 question.

[The Dark Star Republic]

Ultimately, they take their cues from the top, and [violet]'s vicious invective towards WA players made it pretty clear what she really thinks about this part of the game.

Anyway, nothing that can be done about that from us. So moving on:

Got Issues Update no.2

• ...
• We're currently reviewing our range of industries and government departments. For those unsatisfied with the presence of a Basket-Weaving Industry, but lack of representation for pharmaceuticals, construction or finance, things might be about to change! The first such addition is the International Aid government department, which should be appearing on nations imminently.

Does this affect the "International Aid" subcategory for Health proposals? Will other changes have any consequences for the WA?