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[Rough Draft] Access to Painkillers

Postby Umeria » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:32 pm

Category: Health | Area of Effect: International Aid

The World Assembly,

Noting that many medical operations and treatments would cause a large amount of pain to the patient without the addition of a painkilling substance;

Acknowledging that the amount of painkilling substance that a patient should receive is dependent on the patient's specific health issue;

Concerned that many nations' hospitals, due to a lack of availability, forgo the use of painkilling treatments or use treatments that are harmful to some patients;

Hereby

1) Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, a "painkiller" as a substance used during a medical procedure which reduces the amount of pain the patient undergoes during the procedure to a tolerable amount;

2) Creates the Anti-Pain Program (APP) within the World Health Authority, tasking it to distribute painkillers to member nations with hospitals that lack the resources to do so themselves; and

3) Forbids member nations from administering a painkiller that has harmful effects which outweigh its benefits on the patient involved.
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Postby Tinfect » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:50 pm

"Ambassador, I fail to see how this is even of national import for the vast majority of Member-States. A Member-State which is technically capable of enforcing the use of more advanced pain management is not necessarily able to do so practically, and those Member-States that are, have no need of this legislation, as such is likely already in use."
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:59 pm

OOC: This definitions clause is ... horrid. Something more sensical, I think, would be something to expand the distribution of painkillers to better do hospice care. For example, there are huge areas of the world which do not have the painkillers they need to ease the pain of death. They give people ibuprofen to deal with things like cancer, which doesn't do anything. The lack or government restriction of opioid painkillers also means that many people in hospice care have to resort to buying them from the black market, strengthening cartels. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/world/much-of-world-suffers-not-from-abuse-of-painkillers-but-absence-of-them.html?_r=0

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Postby WA Kitty Kops » Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:10 pm

OOC: Definition B completely ignores the fact that some people may be allergic to the "more effective" painkiller, or that there are certain combinations of medicines that cannot be taken together due to side effects or overlapping effects.

Personal example: a combo of ibuprofen + paracetamol is most commonly prescribed for things like severe back pain. My medical file forbids doctors from writing that for me, as the combination (either med alone is fine, even in strong dosages) caused me a peptic ulcer some years ago, when I hurt my back badly.

EDIT: And "a medical procedure" being undefined, I definitely would count fysiotherapy as such. At least it was billed as such. :P
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Postby Calladan » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:50 am

WA Kitty Kops wrote:OOC: Definition B completely ignores the fact that some people may be allergic to the "more effective" painkiller, or that there are certain combinations of medicines that cannot be taken together due to side effects or overlapping effects.

Personal example: a combo of ibuprofen + paracetamol is most commonly prescribed for things like severe back pain. My medical file forbids doctors from writing that for me, as the combination (either med alone is fine, even in strong dosages) caused me a peptic ulcer some years ago, when I hurt my back badly.

EDIT: And "a medical procedure" being undefined, I definitely would count fysiotherapy as such. At least it was billed as such. :P


To further explore that, my wife is forbidden from taking ibuprofen because it interferes with another drug that she is on for a different condition. Ditto for aspirin. So while they are both generic painkillers and routinely proscribed for most "pain" conditions, they aren't available to her.
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Postby Schutzenphalia and West Ruhntuhnkuhnland » Sun Dec 04, 2016 5:38 am

"When you task this "Anti-Pain Program" with "distributing" painkillers, what do you mean? Specifically, how will they be paying for them?"

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Postby Umeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:24 am

Cubbins: Looks like this needs a rewrite. This could take a while.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:35 am

I think the core concept is fundamentally flawed. Giving the WA a say in when to use painkillers, and which to use will necessarily put it in between patients and the doctors; who are better able to make these decisions.
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Aclion wrote:I think the core concept is fundamentally flawed. Giving the WA a say in when to use painkillers, and which to use will necessarily put it in between patients and the doctors; who are better able to make these decisions.


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"Also, the WA already has perfectly acceptable broad strokes legislation in this area under GAR#97 which provides for a WA funding mechanism for member states who are unable to adequately fund their health services. GAR#97 also has key safeguards against these WA funds not used for their intended purposes."

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Postby Umeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:47 am

"Edits have been made, including a shift of the core concept."
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Postby Aclion » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:55 am

This seems to duplicate GAR#97 entirely.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:00 am

Umeria wrote:3) Forbids member nations from administering a painkiller which has an adverse effect on the patient involved.

OOC: Even worse. All meds have adverse effects.
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Postby Umeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:04 am

Aclion wrote:This seems to duplicate GAR#97 entirely.

"That resolution never mentions painkillers."
Araraukar wrote:
Umeria wrote:3) Forbids member nations from administering a painkiller which has an adverse effect on the patient involved.

OOC: Even worse. All meds have adverse effects.

Changed it to "harmful effect".
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:13 am

Umeria wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Even worse. All meds have adverse effects.

Changed it to "harmful effect".

OOC: Adverse, harmful, practically synonyms.
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Postby Umeria » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:54 am

Araraukar wrote:
Umeria wrote:Changed it to "harmful effect".

OOC: Adverse, harmful, practically synonyms.

More edits. I will add more substance to this when I have the time.
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"I'm still not certain the redraft has changed anything," says Katinka, having just got off a call with a very angry rep from the Schutzenphalian pharmaceuticals industry.

"You are creating an agency to "distribute" painkillers to member nations that "don't have the resources" to do so themselves. How will this be achieved, financially? Is the APP going to buy these drugs at market rate - in which case, why wouldn't the companies just push their prices sky-high? Are they going to be requisitioned? And is the funding for this going to come from the General Fund - meaning we would all be paying to essentially buy a huge amount of drugs and then giving them to other countries?"

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OOC: You still need to decide if you're dealing with anesthetics or analgesics or both, see the TG I sent. :)
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 05, 2016 10:27 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: You still need to decide if you're dealing with anesthetics or analgesics or both, see the TG I sent. :)

PARSONS: The current draft appears to deal primarily with anaesthetics, as it defines a painkiller as "a substance used during a medical procedure which reduces the amount of pain the patient undergoes during the procedure to a tolerable amount".

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:43 pm

Umeria wrote:Forbids member nations from administering a painkiller that has harmful effects which outweigh its benefits on the patient involved.

This would effectively ban euthanasia.

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Umeria wrote:Forbids member nations from administering a painkiller that has harmful effects which outweigh its benefits on the patient involved.

This would effectively ban euthanasia.

So don't do it with an analgesic, do it with an anesthetic. There's a big difference.
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