[DRAFT] Repeal "Ban on Slavery and Trafficking"

[Blutbadia]

Repeal:"Ban of Slavery and Human Trafficking"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution
Draft 1

Category: Repeal
Resolution: 23
Proposed by: Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. van Deathkillkill of Blutbadia.

Description:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=335#p335 (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong)shall be crushed into paper mache and no longer be enacted.

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the country.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools.

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets.

Hereby Proposes to just legalize slavery again and stop being milksops about it.

Draft 2:

Category: Repeal
Resolution: 23
Proposed by: Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. van Deathkillkill of Blutbadia.

Description:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=335#p335 (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong)shall be crushed into paper mache and no longer be enacted.

Decrying the unfair advantage nations who do not live in deathworlds, which keep the civilisation on hunter-gatherer-levels, have.

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the countries practicing it.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle, based upon the fact that their brains degenerated enough for them to not being able to use basic language.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools, as they bring some contribution towards the people controlling them.

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise, since the only thing they would do would be posing a danger to pretty much everyone and being a general waste of already thin resources.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets, or worse, being a danger towards the rest of the world.

Hereby Proposes to repeal WA 23

So... What can I improve about this glorious proposal!

[The Second Moon Rising]

The Riser delegate paws at its face for a moment, trying to move some of its veils, and eventually manages to bare a single, gray eye. "... Is this a joke? If it is not, may this one declare the proposing delegate to be a being 'not worth of being treated any better than cattle' and eat it? This one does not believe such an act could be construed as cannibalism..."

The Riser delegate then coughs and returns its veils to proper order.



The Second Moon Rising suggests that this proposal be burned. And the forest that provided the wood to make the paper and the field that grew the indigo used to make the ink also be burned. And the burned land be salted.

[Wallenburg]

The Second Moon Rising suggests that this proposal be burned. And the forest that provided the wood to make the paper and the field that grew the indigo used to make the ink also be burned. And the burned land be salted.

"The Wallenburgian delegation seconds this motion. Words cannot express my disgust."

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)

Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

[Separatist Peoples]

"This is a genuinely offensive draft, ambassador. Is this meant as a joke to shock and alarm, or is this a genuine position your government holds?"

[The Sheika]

Description:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=335#p335 (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong)shall be crushed into paper mache and no longer be enacted.

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the country.

The point that slavery brings "a whole lot of advantages towards the country" relies entirely on a point of view. For those who are served it is a golden opportunity to have somebody else do the work they do not wish to do, while those who serve might be of the opinion that they are working but unable to reap the benefits of said work.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools.

What factors are considered for this determination?

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise.

I doubt this helps your argument at all. It is better suited to an argument against slavery, not for.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets.

Every sapient being is capable of contributing to society in one way or another. It may not be a contribution that you see or understand, but all sapient beings are indeed capable unless there are other conditions such as a physical or mental deficiency.

Hereby Proposes to just legalize slavery again and stop being milksops about it.

Stop being milksops about it? I hardly doubt that a measure of indecision or a lack of courage brought about the ban on slavery in the first place. A good thing to consider is place yourself in the position of those you would deem "better off" as slaves and think to yourself would you want to find yourself in such an existence.

So... What can I improve about this glorious proposal!

Unless you can come up with a more compelling argument, it would more than likely be best to let this matter go.

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)

Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

Although the Federation is not martially pacifistic, the Federation is in agreement with the Greater Sirusian Domain and would gladly assist with the defense of the rights of sapient species.

[Blutbadia]

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

Which would directly violate WA Resolution #38, the Convention Against Genocide. Don't worry, I have plans on repealing this one later on.

Description:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=335#p335 (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong)shall be crushed into paper mache and no longer be enacted.

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the country.

The point that slavery brings "a whole lot of advantages towards the country" relies entirely on a point of view. For those who are served it is a golden opportunity to have somebody else do the work they do not wish to do, while those who serve might be of the opinion that they are working but unable to reap the benefits of said work.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools.

What factors are considered for this determination?

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise.

I doubt this helps your argument at all. It is better suited to an argument against slavery, not for.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets.

Every sapient being is capable of contributing to society in one way or another. It may not be a contribution that you see or understand, but all sapient beings are indeed capable unless there are other conditions such as a physical or mental deficiency.

Hereby Proposes to just legalize slavery again and stop being milksops about it.

Stop being milksops about it? I hardly doubt that a measure of indecision or a lack of courage brought about the ban on slavery in the first place. A good thing to consider is place yourself in the position of those you would deem "better off" as slaves and think to yourself would you want to find yourself in such an existence.

So... What can I improve about this glorious proposal!

Unless you can come up with a more compelling argument, it would more than likely be best to let this matter go.

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)

Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

Although the Federation is not martially pacifistic, the Federation is in agreement with the Greater Sirusian Domain and would gladly assist with the defense of the rights of sapient species.

Despite you being a milksop, I thank thee for your assistance in improving the draft, I will use this to improve my draft. Also, don't forget WA Resolution 38.

-Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. Van Deathkillkill.

[The Sheika]

Despite you being a milksop, I thank thee for your assistance in improving the draft, I will use this to improve my draft. Also, don't forget WA Resolution 38.

-Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. Van Deathkillkill.

Milksop? You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Regarding the value of all sapient life is not weakness, it is strength.

Also, thank you for the reminder of Resolution 38. You need not worry about genocide. That is as unethical as slavery and we would not stoop that low. Perhaps keep you planet bound, and perhaps sternly advise a change in leadership if slavery is considered as a good thing, but wiping your civilization out of existence would do nothing.

If you choose to continue with this, which I would advise against, it is highly unlikely that you would receive enough support for it to pass.

[Tinfect]

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the country.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools.

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets.

Hereby Proposes to just legalize slavery again and stop being milksops about it.

"The Imperium wishes to note that this draft is in blatant violation of Secretariat rulings regarding 'Honest Mistakes' in repeals of legislation. However, out of sheer spite, we have elected not to inform you of where exactly these violations occur."

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)

Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

"The Imperium must stand in agreement with the Siriusian Domain on this matter. The Imperium, however, has absolutely no qualms about military action, yet is fully capable of reducing your Nation to a 'smoldering crater'. We further wish to note that Violent Orbital Landscaping is not prohibited by Resolution 38, regardless of whether or not such actions have unfortunate effects on the local environment."

[The Greater Siriusian Domain]

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

Which would directly violate WA Resolution #38, the Convention Against Genocide.

Teran Saber: "I see the idea of metaphoric posturing is alien to you. Very well, let me put it in more literal terms - if you somehow provoke a war with the Greater Siriusian Domain, your nation's military and strategic assets will be in such ruins that you might as well have been reduced to a smoldering crater."

[Linux and the X]

So... What can I improve about this glorious proposal!

Burn it.

[Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic]

The delegate Cooper Fowler James says

Seriously, one had proposed this. The idiocy of some people.... We intelligent people are in extincion risk...

[Horsean]

Diplomat Louis looks up from the proposal,"are you serious about this? It is against our constitution! This is an insult!even our cows,sheep and other livestocks are free range and our plants organic!withdraw it or the new bombs will......fly and cripple your cities.no deaths but your economy will collapse. Now get out!"

[Hannasea]

OOC: I support this repeal. Good luck!

[Cardoness]

TROLL!!! TROLL IN THE DUNGEON! Thought you ought to know.

As for this...proposal, I wouldn't even use it to wipe my bum.

[Excidium Planetis]

(Ambassador Saber snarls upon reading this proposal)Teran Saber: "You're lucky the Greater Siriusian Domain is martially pacifistic. Otherwise we would not hesitate to reduce your planetbound nation to a smoldering crater for this obvious violation of the rights of sapient species."

Which would directly violate WA Resolution #38, the Convention Against Genocide. Don't worry, I have plans on repealing this one later on.

...

Despite you being a milksop, I thank thee for your assistance in improving the draft, I will use this to improve my draft. Also, don't forget WA Resolution 38.

-Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. Van Deathkillkill.

Ambassador Blackbourne, flanked by two Excidian security guards, enters the room. He listens a moment, and then speaks loudly and clearly. "I sincerely doubt you have given that resolution a careful reading if you think it will protect you. General Assembly Resolution Thirty-Eight says, I quote:

1. (1) Genocide shall be defined as any act committed, or measure enacted, with the intent to destroy, in whole or partially, an identifiable group of persons on the basis of belief, ethnicity, nationality, culture, or a perceived innate characteristic, which for the purposes of this resolution shall include sexual orientation.

"It is not an attempt to destroy an identifiable group on the basis of any of those, nor for a perceived innate characteristic. It would be an attempt to destroy your civilization as an act of war, which would likely fall afoul of Wartime Looting and Pillage instead, as it would be a deliberate targeting of civilians.

You must also consider Clause 7, which states:

7. The final goal of action against genocide is to uphold the rights of sapient beings, and actions taken against genocide should be consistent with this higher goal.

"As any attempted destruction of your home nation would be done with the intent to uphold the rights of sapient beings, even if it was genocide, actions taken against it must maintain the goal of upholding sapient rights, which would probably limit the punishments that could be given out against a disputably noble act.

"That said, I have been informed that I should offer my support for this repeal attempt, as the target resolution infringes upon the rights of individuals."

[Separatist Peoples]

"That said, I have been informed that I should offer my support for this repeal attempt, as the target resolution infringes upon the rights of individuals."

"...WHAT?!!"

[Calladan]

"That said, I have been informed that I should offer my support for this repeal attempt, as the target resolution infringes upon the rights of individuals."

Can't you say that about every proposal?

[Kryozerkia]

Repeal:"Ban of Slavery and Human Trafficking"
A proposal to repeal a previously passed resolution
Category: Repeal
Resolution: 23
Proposed by: Dervest Vrad Skullcrusher XIV. van Deathkillkill of Blutbadia.

Description:
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=335#p335 (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Strong)shall be crushed into paper mache and no longer be enacted.

Acknowledging the effort of trying the salvation of weaker beings this resolution brought.

Noting that, however, slavery brings a whole lot of advantages towards the country.

Recognizing the fact that some "sapient" beings just are not worth of being treated any better than cattle.

Suggesting that a lot of them are far better of being used as tools.

Worrying about the cost of the ammunition that is required to gun them down if not able to use them otherwise.

Realizing that, even if they were neither enslaved nor shot, most would not be able to contribute to themselves nor to society and would rot alive on the streets.

Hereby Proposes to just legalize slavery again and stop being milksops about it.

So... What can I improve about this glorious proposal!

First, repeals cannot introduce new legislation nor amend the target resolution. Second, this is offensive. Don't submit it until you dramatically alter the language.

[Excidium Planetis]

"That said, I have been informed that I should offer my support for this repeal attempt, as the target resolution infringes upon the rights of individuals."

"...WHAT?!!"

"GA#23 infringes on the individual's right to form contracts by prohibiting individuals from willing selling themselves into slavery, and from purchasing slaves. Excidium Planetis long stood for the rights of slaves and slave owners, until we entered into the World Assembly. For some time, slavery continued because our courts declared that non-humans were not persons, and thus did not fall under the provisions of GA#23, especially as the resolution explicitly mentions 'human trafficking'. Of course, Madam Delegate Schultz eliminated that loophole, and slavery is outlawed in the Fleets. Nevertheless, it is in the interests of my government to restore economic freedoms."

"That said, I have been informed that I should offer my support for this repeal attempt, as the target resolution infringes upon the rights of individuals."

Can't you say that about every proposal?

"No. You can't say that about GA#1, or GA#78. And in many cases, such as GA#35, the rights of a few individuals must be surrendered to protect the rights of others. My government believes that the rights of slaves can be adequately protected without a ban."

[Infigira]

The 1st position of being a proposal - from the worst to the best.

[Calladan]

Can't you say that about every proposal?

"No. You can't say that about GA#1, or GA#78. And in many cases, such as GA#35, the rights of a few individuals must be surrendered to protect the rights of others. My government believes that the rights of slaves can be adequately protected without a ban."

Although GA#1 repealed ALL existing UN laws, leaving the international community bereft of their benefits and all the individuals protected by them without their protection. And (from a certain point of view) GA#78 could screw over booksellers (who don't hold the copyright of the books they sell) because they might have problems selling books if they have been moved into the library for free.

Of course, this is just from a certain point of view

[Separatist Peoples]

"GA#23 infringes on the individual's right to form contracts by prohibiting individuals from willing selling themselves into slavery, and from purchasing slaves. Excidium Planetis long stood for the rights of slaves and slave owners, until we entered into the World Assembly. For some time, slavery continued because our courts declared that non-humans were not persons, and thus did not fall under the provisions of GA#23, especially as the resolution explicitly mentions 'human trafficking'. Of course, Madam Delegate Schultz eliminated that loophole, and slavery is outlawed in the Fleets. Nevertheless, it is in the interests of my government to restore economic freedoms."

"Your government seems to give little regard for those who, having entered into such a contract, wish to breach it, or those who, because of economic situations, are given little alternative to forming such a contract. At any rate, slavery, even carefully regulated, would go against every moral tenant of the World Assembly, which has taken a strong individualist and not a collectivist approach to these things."

[Novus California]

This proposal disgusts me to the very core of my being, and I am surprised at the fact that I have not yet evacuated the contents of my stomach. It isn't even well written.

[Roosevetania]

"Is this a serious proposal? If this were proposed, the language would have to be dramatically changed. But is this an appropriate proposal? Allowing slavery? Also, a repeal cannot contain a new rule or amendment. The Roosevetania delegation is against this proposal."