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Repeals

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:24 pm
by The United Universe
I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:56 pm
by Imperium Anglorum
The United Universe wrote:I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.

Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:00 pm
by Tinfect
OOC:
Lemmings.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:25 pm
by Sciongrad
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Lemmings.

OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 11:59 pm
by Araraukar
Sciongrad wrote:
Tinfect wrote:OOC:
Lemmings.

OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.

OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:23 am
by The United Universe
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The United Universe wrote:I wonder why half of all WA resolutions get repealed, many of them right away.

Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.
Araraukar wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:OOC: Probably not. Misrepresentation, more likely.

OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.

Maybe that's it.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 7:36 am
by Araraukar
The United Universe wrote:When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

OOC: Also, most people simply don't read the proposals very thoroughly, they just vote whatever they feel like at the moment, or what their region-mates or friends told them they're going to vote, or whatever side is winning (that last one is called the lemming effect). I've also heard rumours that some delegates *cough*Vancouvia*cough* threaten to kick people out of their region if they do not vote certain way...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:47 am
by The United Universe
Araraukar wrote:
The United Universe wrote:When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

OOC: Also, most people simply don't read the proposals very thoroughly, they just vote whatever they feel like at the moment, or what their region-mates or friends told them they're going to vote, or whatever side is winning (that last one is called the lemming effect). I've also heard rumours that some delegates *cough*Vancouvia*cough* threaten to kick people out of their region if they do not vote certain way...

At least my region hasn't voted yet.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 6:24 am
by Imperium Anglorum
The United Universe wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:23 am
by Araraukar
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The United Universe wrote:Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.

I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:48 am
by Tyrnica
The United Universe wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Because the repeal is the reconsideration of the question. You know the EU referendum? People want to hold a second referendum. Just in the World Assembly, we can do that without much fuss.

Yeah, but once a resolution is voted in, I think it should stay in for at least 2 weeks or a month. When 80% of nations vote for a resolution and then 80% vote for the repeal of the resolution a week later, it's very weird.
Araraukar wrote:OOC: And people realizing that passing something in category X affects nations' stats Y and Z, and them wanting to reset the change.

Maybe that's it.


Using Imperium Anglorum's example of the Brexit referendum, that'd be like finalising all of the leaving procedures, only to hold another referendum and have to start the joining method all over again – instead of, say, having another referendum now and pretending the first one never happened.

We're able to do repeals immediately because people look over the resolution text and realise that they don't actually want this change to happen. So, they initiate a repeal and they're able to say, ICly, that the changes were either never made because the resolution was in effect for so little a time, or they weren't able to employ the full extent of the proposal.

This is far more preferable than, for example, going through a economic low for a month, as opposed to going through an economic low for a week.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:56 am
by Imperium Anglorum
Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:I don't follow. Why should bad legislation have a period in which it must be kept active?

In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?

As if that is ever going to happen.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:52 am
by Araraukar
Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:In the hopes that people would pay a little more attention on what they're actually voting "for" on?

As if that is ever going to happen.

Well it would also let us keep good legislation - where someone just had a grudge against the author and wanted to repeal it on those grounds - for a little longer. :P

PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 10:36 am
by Imperium Anglorum
Araraukar wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:As if that is ever going to happen.

Well it would also let us keep good legislation - where someone just had a grudge against the author and wanted to repeal it on those grounds - for a little longer. :P

Parsons: I mailed in my ballot to Parliament this morning. It commuted all sentences and suppressed all criminal record entries relating to people who were convicted of crimes created by that resolution. (The United Commonwealth has cohesive laws protecting animal rights already. Anything exceeding those laws was retroactively revoked and wiped by this Act of Parliament.)