by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:04 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jun 23, 2016 12:07 pm
by Dooom35796821595 » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:22 pm
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:40 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sounds like a good idea. What exactly are these emergency funds?
Dooom35796821595 wrote:OOC: For some reason this reminds me of the American House of Cards, especially that bit about not raiding the emergency funds during a non-emergency.
IC: our two objections are thus; firstly the question of public accounts, we assume you don't suggest we make the amounts public?
Second, we would like to clarify that the part about independent firms is not mandatory, since insist doesn't seem binding.
by Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:42 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sounds like a good idea. What exactly are these emergency funds?
Like a rainy day fund, monies kept aside for government operations should the state experience a sudden budgetary shortfall, or to bolster emergency response in the case of a major crisis, like a natural disaster or an attack on the homeland.
by Dooom35796821595 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:04 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Imperium Anglorum wrote:Sounds like a good idea. What exactly are these emergency funds?
Like a rainy day fund, monies kept aside for government operations should the state experience a sudden budgetary shortfall, or to bolster emergency response in the case of a major crisis, like a natural disaster or an attack on the homeland.Dooom35796821595 wrote:OOC: For some reason this reminds me of the American House of Cards, especially that bit about not raiding the emergency funds during a non-emergency.
Yeah, that happened last season I think; I honestly wasn't thinking about it when I wrote it.IC: our two objections are thus; firstly the question of public accounts, we assume you don't suggest we make the amounts public?
Why shouldn't we? It's the public's money, presumably; they deserve to know what it's being spent on.Second, we would like to clarify that the part about independent firms is not mandatory, since insist doesn't seem binding.
Right, not mandatory. I don't see any reason to make it mandatory right now, but if you are a different mind, I'm open to persuasion.
by Bears Armed » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:14 am
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:44 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was balking at the Idea of making the accounts public to the WA, our own citizens already have wide access to such information.
by Dooom35796821595 » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:53 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Dooom35796821595 wrote:Perhaps I should have been more clear, I was balking at the Idea of making the accounts public to the WA, our own citizens already have wide access to such information.
Presumably if the information is "public," it's available to everyone. It's not like fb privacy settings; you don't get to decide which groups can access your feed.
by Separatist Peoples » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:23 am
Dooom35796821595 wrote:Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Presumably if the information is "public," it's available to everyone. It's not like fb privacy settings; you don't get to decide which groups can access your feed.
Then we must stand against this legislation, for we shall not reveal our emergency funds, nor what emergencys we plan for to other WA nations.
by Wallenburg » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:38 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Why shouldn't we? It's the public's money, presumably; they deserve to know what it's being spent on.
by Excidium Planetis » Sat Jun 25, 2016 12:27 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:5. Strongly encourages member nations with the means to do so to contribute to the GFCA; additionally, the GAO shall be authorized to incentivize members to contribute to the GFCA, on top of the annual assessments they already pay.
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by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:02 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Why shouldn't we? It's the public's money, presumably; they deserve to know what it's being spent on.
"In many countries, government funds are not the public's money. A fair number of monarchies consider such funds the property of the king, and plenty of other authoritarian regimes give private ownership of funds to their principal figures.
Excidium Planetis wrote:Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:5. Strongly encourages member nations with the means to do so to contribute to the GFCA; additionally, the GAO shall be authorized to incentivize members to contribute to the GFCA, on top of the annual assessments they already pay.
"So would I be correct in saying that these additional contributions really are voluntary? And how exactly would the GAO incentivize GFCA contributions?"
OOC:
Also, by using the word pay, are you attempting to force the mandatory interpretation? After all, donate is "render without payment".
OOC:
I had hoped to do this myself, but I wasn't motivated enough to do it immediately. I guess you beat me to it. Well, at least you acknowledged my contribution!
by Wallenburg » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:30 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Even monarchs must embrace some level of accountability to their subjects.
by Araraukar » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:41 pm
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:it's only being posted as a trial balloon.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:54 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:02 pm
by Araraukar » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:13 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:OOC: Of course it does. The monarchs of France were certainly accountable to their public. That's why France is now a republic.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:30 pm
And in any case, accountability and financial accounts are not the same thing.
by Wallenburg » Sat Jun 25, 2016 11:48 pm
Didn't you read it?"
by Araraukar » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:41 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:And in any case, accountability and financial accounts are not the same thing.
Requiring political leaders to keep public records of every tax dollar collected and every dollar spent is a form of accountability. Do you even know what the word means?
Wallenburg wrote:OOC: You'll have to remind me when Louis XIV was executed.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
by Wallenburg » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:29 am
Araraukar wrote:Wallenburg wrote:OOC: You'll have to remind me when Louis XIV was executed.
OOC: I think he may mean Louis XVI, who was indeed executed. However, technically Louis Philippe I was the last French king, and he died of old age in 1850.
Unless you count Napoleon III who died of, or at least after two surgeries to remove gallstones in 1873.
by Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:39 am
Araraukar wrote:Note: I'm not talking about RL European monarchies, those are more democracies than monarchies, but in NS we do in fact have monarchies ruled by monarchs who actually are the true leaders and indeed owners of their nations.
by Tinfect » Sun Jun 26, 2016 10:52 am
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:And the repeated sidebars about French royalty have been especially helpful to this draft, let me tell you.Araraukar wrote:Note: I'm not talking about RL European monarchies, those are more democracies than monarchies, but in NS we do in fact have monarchies ruled by monarchs who actually are the true leaders and indeed owners of their nations.
I couldn't care less. They still have to abide by Furtherment of Democracy resolutions, even if they are ruled by imperialist cousin-loving space aliens who have no concept whatsoever of human democracy, or incest.
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Seeking further assurances that national emergency funds, as a public investment, are not improperly handled, and that the promised monies will still be there should a serious emergency occur;
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:1. Mandates that member nations make public accounts of all funds earmarked for emergency purposes,
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:5. Strongly encourages member nations with the means to do so to contribute to the GFCA; additionally, the GAO shall be authorized to incentivize members to contribute to the GFCA, on top of the annual assessments they already pay.
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