[DRAFT] Reducing Sexual Exploitation

[Araraukar]

P: Also, if you want to pass anything, the reasons for doing so at the top, also known as what you call the 'generic starter fluff', are exceptionally important. They decide how the proposal is interpreted and are the primary basis upon which you get votes.

I didn't think he was objecting to the preamble, but rather that he was just noting its existence.

[Percussionland]

Parsons: Starr, you're going to need to explain to me what you believe the line is regarding 'overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority' for anyone to take you seriously. Where is the tipping point between unreasonable and reasonable?

P: Also, if you want to pass anything, the reasons for doing so at the top, also known as what you call the 'generic starter fluff', are exceptionally important. They decide how the proposal is interpreted and are the primary basis upon which you get votes.

I didn't say remove the generic starter fluff, I simply said it's fluff, which is true, and overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority is a largely subjective line depending on the political views of the reader. I consider this overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority because though well meant, it is a WA resolution taking authority over how a government executes one of it's most basic functions, the prosecution of criminals. When a outside force is telling you what that person did violates your laws, but you can't prosecute them because said outside authority wants you to pardon them and prosecute this person, or telling you who you can and cant enforce your laws on, regardless of what anyone thinks of these laws, this is and unjustifiable overstep of WA authority, and any law that would expand WA authority to the point where a government can't perform it's most basic functions without WA approval is clearly over the line.

[Separatist Peoples]

Parsons: Starr, you're going to need to explain to me what you believe the line is regarding 'overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority' for anyone to take you seriously. Where is the tipping point between unreasonable and reasonable?

P: Also, if you want to pass anything, the reasons for doing so at the top, also known as what you call the 'generic starter fluff', are exceptionally important. They decide how the proposal is interpreted and are the primary basis upon which you get votes.

I didn't say remove the generic starter fluff, I simply said it's fluff, which is true, and overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority is a largely subjective line depending on the political views of the reader. I consider this overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority because though well meant, it is a WA resolution taking authority over how a government executes one of it's most basic functions, the prosecution of criminals. When a outside force is telling you what that person did violates your laws, but you can't prosecute them because said outside authority wants you to pardon them and prosecute this person, or telling you who you can and cant enforce your laws on, regardless of what anyone thinks of these laws, this is and unjustifiable overstep of WA authority, and any law that would expand WA authority to the point where a government can't perform it's most basic functions without WA approval is clearly over the line.

"Are you serious? There are several resolutions that do exactly what you are claiming the WA shouldn't. What exactly makes this case particularly special? That wasn't even all of them. Ensuring nations handle their criminal procedure in a manner conducive to justice is part of human rights endeavors. This is no different."

[Percussionland]

I didn't say remove the generic starter fluff, I simply said it's fluff, which is true, and overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority is a largely subjective line depending on the political views of the reader. I consider this overstepping reasonable and justifiable authority because though well meant, it is a WA resolution taking authority over how a government executes one of it's most basic functions, the prosecution of criminals. When a outside force is telling you what that person did violates your laws, but you can't prosecute them because said outside authority wants you to pardon them and prosecute this person, or telling you who you can and cant enforce your laws on, regardless of what anyone thinks of these laws, this is and unjustifiable overstep of WA authority, and any law that would expand WA authority to the point where a government can't perform it's most basic functions without WA approval is clearly over the line.

"Are you serious? There are several resolutions that do exactly what you are claiming the WA shouldn't. What exactly makes this case particularly special? That wasn't even all of them. Ensuring nations handle their criminal procedure in a manner conducive to justice is part of human rights endeavors. This is no different."

Nothing makes this case special, I am saying I am against any situation where I feel the WA oversteps it's authority. In other cases enough people disagreed with me for it to pass, that doesn't mean that this instance is anything special. In fact, I am inclined to go easier on this one because of the good intent and the fact I support the concept, just not how that is acted upon in the current draft. Believe me, I would like nothing more than for this to work in a way that does not overstep WA authority, and if it gets there before submission, I will be working to convince people to vote it into law. Even if it doesn't, I wouldn't work against it, I would just pass on voting and stay neutral in forums as I don't want to impede the concept from becoming law.

[Whovian Tardisia]

4. Member nations are forbidden from prosecuting underage or enslaved sex workers for prostitution-related charges, and must treat them as persons fleeing servitude under international law. Further, member nations are forbidden from carrying out law enforcement raids on underage or enslaved sex workers or brothels without first ensuring the existence of sufficient social assistance programs to permit the victims to grow into gainfully employed, well-adjusted adults.

"Looking at this clause again, We have come into conflict with the part in red. Does this mean that a law enforcement raiding a brothel, unaware that the employees were underage or enslaved, would be in violation of this resolution should this fact be discovered during the raid? If so, we highly suggest removing this section of the clause."

[G-Max]

The Nationalist Free State's economy is heavily dependent on a phenomenon that you might call "sex tourism". A key contributing factor to our dominance in this economic sector is our superior treatment of sex workers. If other countries were to afford their sex workers with the same respect that we afford ours, then we would become less competitive and our economy would suffer. We must therefore disapprove of this proposal.

Attempts to enforce GA 222 on us will be met with random fire from our orbital death laser. Our child hookers kneel to no foreign power.

[Araraukar]

Attempts to enforce GA 222 on us will be met with random fire from our orbital death laser. Our child hookers kneel to no foreign power.

OOC: 1) Not funny, and 2) wilfully ignoring a resolution that would affect your nation is generally considered bad RP, godmodding, and a reason to ignore the player's opinions, on this forum.

[Wallenburg]

Attempts to enforce GA 222 on us will be met with random fire from our orbital death laser. Our child hookers kneel to no foreign power.

Tiny figures in beards and red hats begin to emerge from the corners of the room. A low, raspy chanting can be heard, steadily growing from a quiet whisper.

"Compliance...compliance..."

[Tinfect]

Attempts to enforce GA 222 on us will be met with random fire from our orbital death laser. Our child hookers kneel to no foreign power.

Tiny figures in beards and red hats begin to emerge from the corners of the room. A low, raspy chanting can be heard, steadily growing from a quiet whisper.

"Compliance...compliance..."

"Wh- What are they?" Whispers the lone Imperial aide, "Gnomes... They're Gnomes..." replies Markhov, "Quickly, we must go, before they see us. Do not meet their eyes, lest you become one of them."

[G-Max]

Ugh. First it was hippies, now gnomes. When will these pest scourges ever end?

(puts on fire-retardant suit and presses an orange button on the desk. Jets of flame shoot out from numerous nozzles and grills at floor level, decimating the gnome infestation, office staff, and some very important paperwork, but leaving the nickel-plated aluminum furniture intact. A female voice over the intercom system warns everyone, perhaps a few moments too late, that Protocol Orange has been activated)

LET 'EM BURN HAHAHAHA

[Araraukar]

4. Member nations are forbidden from prosecuting underage or enslaved sex workers for prostitution-related charges, and must treat them as persons fleeing servitude under international law. Further, member nations are forbidden from carrying out law enforcement raids on underage or enslaved sex workers or brothels without first ensuring the existence of sufficient social assistance programs to permit the victims to grow into gainfully employed, well-adjusted adults.

"Looking at this clause again, We have come into conflict with the part in red. Does this mean that a law enforcement raiding a brothel, unaware that the employees were underage or enslaved, would be in violation of this resolution should this fact be discovered during the raid? If so, we highly suggest removing this section of the clause."

Also, what if the victims don't grow into "gainfully employed, well-adjusted adults" despite all the help they get? What if they'll be suffering from PTSD the rest of their lives? Will you then punish the nation for the failure of a person's mental integrity?

[Wallenburg]

"Looking at this clause again, We have come into conflict with the part in red. Does this mean that a law enforcement raiding a brothel, unaware that the employees were underage or enslaved, would be in violation of this resolution should this fact be discovered during the raid? If so, we highly suggest removing this section of the clause."

Also, what if the victims don't grow into "gainfully employed, well-adjusted adults" despite all the help they get? What if they'll be suffering from PTSD the rest of their lives? Will you then punish the nation for the failure of a person's mental integrity?

"To be quite honest, this entire half of clause four is absolutely despicable. No nation should be forced to allow slavers to operate with impunity, simply on the basis that their victims may not have adequate resources to succeed individually. A life of poverty is infinitely preferable to one of slavery."

[Atts Super Glorious Ultra Country]

I fundamentally disagree with this proposal -- what is to become of nations that subsidize prostitution, or fund such experiences for their staff? This is unreasonable, and needs more exceptions for countries who approve of this behaviour!

[The United Universe]

I think this is a very good idea. We should let the moderators decide solely whether this is a duplicate but once that's done you can submit it as a proposal. Once it's a proposal then we can decide whether we like Clause 4. One amendment I would suggest is to define what "Sexual Services" are.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Not gonna get to updating this very soon, so marking it as such. Thanks for all the feedback; it'll be addressed sometime in the indefinite future.

[Whovian Tardisia]

I fundamentally disagree with this proposal -- what is to become of nations that subsidize prostitution, or fund such experiences for their staff? This is unreasonable, and needs more exceptions for countries who approve of this behaviour!

Regardless of the legality of sex work in a member nation,

"This proposal does not criminalize prostitution in any way, Ambassador. We suggest looking at the actual text rather than just the title."

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Steph flips the light switch and waits for the chamber illumination system to flicker back on before entering the large room. Some interns follow bearing dusters and wood polish, proceed to clean the dust off the desks closest to the podium, and give them a pleasant glow. Before the interns leave, one of them goes around placing a small breath mint on each desk. She leaves the remainder of the bag by the door, and exits with the others.

Leo steps to the podium and flicks the switch to illuminate the [IN SESSION] light outside the chamber door.

"Now let's see how we do with this," Steph mutters, not unhappily.

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OOC: Updated draft live.

I would prefer Clause 5 to be a requirement for a basically good set of programs, but I've kept it as a moral plea for the moment. Its final disposition will depend on feedback, I suppose.

[Separatist Peoples]

Steph flips the light switch and waits for the chamber illumination system to flicker back on before entering the large room. Some interns follow bearing dusters and wood polish, proceed to clean the dust off the desks closest to the podium, and give them a pleasant glow. Before the interns leave, one of them goes around placing a small breath mint on each desk. She leaves the remainder of the bag by the door, and exits with the others.

Leo steps to the podium and flicks the switch to illuminate the [IN SESSION] light outside the chamber door.

"Now let's see how we do with this," Steph mutters, not unhappily.

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OOC: Updated draft live.

I would prefer Clause 5 to be a requirement for a basically good set of programs, but I've kept it as a moral plea for the moment. Its final disposition will depend on feedback, I suppose.

An angry groan comes from one of the desks in the audience section, followed by the clinking noise of many empty glass bottles and metal cans in contact with each other.

"Hey! 'wus sleepin'!" Ambassador Bell, brushing off what appears to be the after effects of a pretty long bender, drags himself onto his chair. More clinking followed.

"Odin above, my kingdom for five more minutes...Wait..." He picks up one of the copies of the draft. "I thought we approved this already? Where's my rubber stamp..."

[Fauxia]

Corwin coughs as he walks into the room, bumping into a dusty old statue of Catherine Gratwick in the process

[Radicalania]

1. Defines a 'sex worker' as a person who trades his or her own sexual services for money or goods. One who exclusively trades the sexual services of others for money or goods (a 'pimp') shall not be classified as a sex worker;

Should this not read "money, goods or services"?

[Kenmoria]

"For clause 3, I recommend removing the word 'admitting' for cases where the sex worker does not admit to being in that profession."

[Whovian Tardisia]

Ambassador Pink, who had been wandering the debate halls, noticed the lights come on and was intrigued. He slipped in and found the Whovian desk, taking his seat and reading over the latest draft. "Very good. We would support this as is." He then leaned back in his chair and popped the mint.

[Carmine]

If this has not already been done then I approve. I think sex workers who consent to be sex workers for themselves should be protected so I like the idea of cutting out the middle man and not recognizing pimps as sex workers. I also think that underage sex workers held against their will should be heavily protected as well.

[The British Antarctic Federation]

We would like to stat that we support this act.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: Bump. Considering submission soon... ish. Hoping the fluffy title is enough to sway delegates as I don't have the wherewithal to run a campaign, but if not, I can try again come fall, maybe.

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IC: "See how this strikes ya. I think most of the serious weaknesses are gone."