ABANDONED: Corpse Desecration and Zombies act

[ADST World]

Topic: National Security
Strength: Mild

Members of the World Assembly

RECOGNIZING that corpses of those known to individuals are considered sacred,

ACKNOWLEDGING that many religions require a certain treatment of the dead, showing that respect for the dead is paramount in some religions,

SEEING how sapient beings dislike the concept of re-animating a loved one from the dead,

IMPLEMENTS the following:

1. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise designed to re-animate corpses as non-sapient undead be banned, and any non-sapient undead currently surviving be executed.
a. Undead defined as: A corpse that has movement, a reanimated corpse.
b. Corpse defined as: Any form of biological being that was at one point medically considered alive, but has been pronounced medically dead.

2. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise with the intent of creating a sapient undead be monitored by the Undead Preservation and Defense Force.
a. the UPDF being created of volunteers, who will monitor and actively represent the rights of sapient undead, and also assisting in the monitoring of unapproved non-sapient undead, including bringing them to the attention of the nation in question for proper disposal.

3. Any sapient undead are given full citizenship and rights appropriate to the 'home nation', or nation of rebirth.

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[Tinfect]

"Ambassador, the plots to terran horror films do not make acceptable International Legislation."

[The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper]

...and any ghouls currently surviving be executed.

ARI: No, no, a thousand times no! #GhoulLivesMatter

[Leppikania]

"There is no such strength as 'weak'. Perhaps you meant 'mild'?"

"Ambassador, the plots to terran horror films do not make acceptable International Legislation."

OOC: Going in my sig.

[Liagolas]

"Ambassador, the plots to terran horror films do not make acceptable International Legislation."

"The Dominion agrees," the Mouth of the Dominion says, and it even harrumphs a little. It does, however, add, "However, it is the desire of the Dominion to further analyze the draft for further deficiencies, if only to demonstrate how unacceptable this proposal is."

Topic: Social Justice

"How does this proposal fall into the category of Social Justice?" the Mouth of the Dominion to the World Assembly says. "This does not seem to do anything to reduce income inequality or increase basic societal welfare, and those are the requirements for any Social Justice resolution."

Members of the World Assembly

"This is perhaps the most bizarre way of phrasing this the Dominion has seen," the Mouth says. "It is more typical to write 'The World Assembly' or 'The General Assembly.' The fact that the Assembly has members should already be understood by any reader of this legislation. Additionally, the absence of an article ('the' would be most appropriate) leads to a grammatical error that would be best off rectified."

RECOGNIZING that corpses of those known to individuals are considered sacred,

"They are?" the Mouth says, sounding very surprised. "Since when? A corpse is nothing but a mass of flesh and bone. It means nothing to the Dominion. It is not the belief of the Dominion that the World Assembly should declare what is and isn't considered sacred."

ACKNOWLEDGING that many religions require a certain treatment of the dead, showing that respect for the dead is paramount in some religions,

"Good for them," the Mouth says blandly. "Why should the World Assembly, being a secular organization, care? Those who practice religions wherein respect for the dead is paramount may practice that belief and respect the dead. Those who do not practice such religions ought not to be held to that standard.

"Additionally, if you must include this sentiment, it is worded in a clunky fashion and would sound better as the following statement: 'ACKNOWLEDGING that respect for the dead is paramount in some cultures,'."

SEEING how sapient beings dislike the concept of re-animating a loved one from the dead,

"Do they?" the Mouth asks. "Do beings not speak of how they 'miss' their loved ones after they have died? Would they not enjoy having their loved one back?"

IMPLEMENTS the following:

"This is where using the phrase 'Members of the World Assembly' becomes problematic," the Mouth says. "Remember that a resolution is, essentially, one very long sentence. With that in mind, you have a discrepancy between your subject and verb. Your sentence boils down to 'Members of the World Assembly... implements the following...' You have used a singular form of the verb to describe the action of a plural noun. It would be best to change the subject to 'The World Assembly' so as to avoid this."

1. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise designed to re-animate corpses as ghouls be banned, and any ghouls currently surviving be executed.
a. Ghouls defines as: A form on non-sapient undead, incapable of cognitive thought.
b. Undead defined as: A corpse that has movement, a reanimated corpse.

"First, it is the view of the Dominion that it is really best to define terms before using them in the resolution so that the definitions may inform the later use of the term. Additionally, the Dominion finds that the term 'ghoul' is somewhat silly-sounding. Is there no better term that you can use? Although it doesn't really matter, because this entire proposal really ought not to be made law.

"Furthermore, why should corpse re-animation be prohibited?" the Mouth asks. "To satisfy those who are squeamish about meaningless bags of flesh? To impose the will of those who hold the dead to be sacred upon those who are not so inclined? Why should the World Assembly do such? Does it not believe in equality of beliefs?

"And why should ghouls be executed? If Doctor Hankenstein brings his beloved pet Dachshund back to life and it, being a dog, is not sapient, why does it deserve to be executed, even if it displays no harmful tendencies?

"Also,'practise' is the verb form of the word. The noun is 'practice.'"

2. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise with the intent of creating a sapient undead be monitored by the Undead Preservation and Defense Force.

"Even if it is the mad dance of an obscure and irrelevant cult that has no chance of succeeding?" the Mouth asks. "Their religious practice must be monitored by this international body for simply having an 'intent' to raise the dead? The Dominion cannot help but see this as serious overreach on the World Assembly's part."

a. the UPDF being created of volunteers, who will execute any ghouls, including any inadvertently created from a approved experiment.

"And there are no prerequisites to volunterring for the UPDF?" the Mouth asks. "Anyone can just volunteer? Even this Mouth?"

The Mouth continues, "And is this some sort of military or police force? It certainly seems to be, given that the UPDF is given the authority to execute ghouls and seemingly police the actions of those seeking to re-animate the dead. If so, this proposal is illegal, as it contradicts GAR#2, 'Rights and Duties of WA States,' which bans the creation of a World Assembly police or military force."

Article 10 § Whilst WA Member States may engage in wars, the World Assembly as a body maintains neutrality in matters of civil and international strife. As such, the WA will not engage in commanding, organising, ratifying, denouncing, or otherwise participating in armed conflicts, police actions, or military activities under the WA banner.

3. Any sapient undead created through a approved channel must undergo a rigorous training and testing routine, in order to establish that they are prepared to enter society as citizens of a country.
a. These tests include the following: Demonstrating a ability to resist feeding on other citizens, Demonstrating a certain level of cognitive awareness, demonstrating the ability to be a working citizen of their nation.

"First, it is the consideration of the Dominion that any sapient undead would be protected by GA#355, 'Rights of Sapient Species' already. Additionally, why must the sapient undead be capable of acting as a working citizen? Suppose they were a child? Or differently-abled such that they could not work? Or perhaps bedridden? Do they fail the test? And what happens when they fail the test? Are they destroyed? Placed in quarantine? Left to literally rot away, forgotten by the world?"

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"The Dominion has done its best," the Mouth says. "However, there is no saving this proposal. It attempts to legislate upon a fictional idea -" The Mouth pauses and glances around the chamber just to make sure that no delegates from a hypothetical 'Sapient Undead' showed up. "- and it does not even do so effectively. Finally, it would simply be illegal to pass this proposed resolution. It is the view of the Dominion that this draft and idea is best left forgotten."

The Mouth suddenly perks up and adds, "Oh, and the title is misleading. It is the view of the Dominion that this draft really has nothing to do with corpse desecration. It only legislates upon attempts to re-animate the dead."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Why, exactly, is this an issue for the World Assembly? Why cant this be dealt with on a national level? This isn't rhetorical, I am genuinely in need of an explanation."

[New Dukaine]

"Ambassador, did you stay up late drinking whiskey and watching World War Z again sir? Because this must be a joke or your brain is acting weird today"

[Grays Harbor]

Undead defined as: A corpse that has movement, a reanimated corpse.

Congrats. You have just described me prior to coffee.

[Floor 448]

Undead defined as: A corpse that has movement, a reanimated corpse.

Congrats. You have just described me everybody in a first-world country over 18 prior to coffee.

Fixed your post there.

[The Sheika]

"Why, exactly, is this an issue for the World Assembly? Why cant this be dealt with on a national level? This isn't rhetorical, I am genuinely in need of an explanation."

I second the notion. I am not saying this is a bad idea, I just need a little more information to convince me that this is a good idea for the General Assembly.

[Normlpeople]

"I'm concerned that many don't believe the dangers that dark magic such as necromancy pose" Clover said. "We had a serious military situation about half a year ago where a necromancer lost control of his creations and threated the security of the entire nation!"

"That said, if these people will ignore the law forbidding such practice, and are willing to ignore the social disdain for practicing necromancy, what makes you believe they will follow any international law on the subject?"

[Excidium Planetis]

"Oddly enough, as bizarre as policing rituals to reanimate the dead is, I find this draft significantly more workable than your last one, whatever-your-name-is." Schultz says, while chuckling at the thought of an Undead Preservation and Defense Force monitoring necromancy.

"First, I suggest you drop the UPDF entirely, since they are illegal. Instead, mandate that nations use their own law enforcement to police any reanimation practices.

"Second, drop the requirements on Sapient Ghouls. I already worked hard to make a resolution requiring tests of sapience. Don't waste it.

"Third, why the ban on ghouls, exactly? While I agree that attempts to reanimate the dead should probably be monitored, why must nations exterminate ghouls?"

[ADST World]

"Ambassador, the plots to terran horror films do not make acceptable International Legislation."

"The Dominion agrees," the Mouth of the Dominion says, and it even harrumphs a little. It does, however, add, "However, it is the desire of the Dominion to further analyze the draft for further deficiencies, if only to demonstrate how unacceptable this proposal is."

Topic: Social Justice

"How does this proposal fall into the category of Social Justice?" the Mouth of the Dominion to the World Assembly says. "This does not seem to do anything to reduce income inequality or increase basic societal welfare, and those are the requirements for any Social Justice resolution."

Members of the World Assembly

"This is perhaps the most bizarre way of phrasing this the Dominion has seen," the Mouth says. "It is more typical to write 'The World Assembly' or 'The General Assembly.' The fact that the Assembly has members should already be understood by any reader of this legislation. Additionally, the absence of an article ('the' would be most appropriate) leads to a grammatical error that would be best off rectified."

RECOGNIZING that corpses of those known to individuals are considered sacred,

"They are?" the Mouth says, sounding very surprised. "Since when? A corpse is nothing but a mass of flesh and bone. It means nothing to the Dominion. It is not the belief of the Dominion that the World Assembly should declare what is and isn't considered sacred."

ACKNOWLEDGING that many religions require a certain treatment of the dead, showing that respect for the dead is paramount in some religions,

"Good for them," the Mouth says blandly. "Why should the World Assembly, being a secular organization, care? Those who practice religions wherein respect for the dead is paramount may practice that belief and respect the dead. Those who do not practice such religions ought not to be held to that standard.

"Additionally, if you must include this sentiment, it is worded in a clunky fashion and would sound better as the following statement: 'ACKNOWLEDGING that respect for the dead is paramount in some cultures,'."

SEEING how sapient beings dislike the concept of re-animating a loved one from the dead,

"Do they?" the Mouth asks. "Do beings not speak of how they 'miss' their loved ones after they have died? Would they not enjoy having their loved one back?"

IMPLEMENTS the following:

"This is where using the phrase 'Members of the World Assembly' becomes problematic," the Mouth says. "Remember that a resolution is, essentially, one very long sentence. With that in mind, you have a discrepancy between your subject and verb. Your sentence boils down to 'Members of the World Assembly... implements the following...' You have used a singular form of the verb to describe the action of a plural noun. It would be best to change the subject to 'The World Assembly' so as to avoid this."

1. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise designed to re-animate corpses as ghouls be banned, and any ghouls currently surviving be executed.
a. Ghouls defines as: A form on non-sapient undead, incapable of cognitive thought.
b. Undead defined as: A corpse that has movement, a reanimated corpse.

"First, it is the view of the Dominion that it is really best to define terms before using them in the resolution so that the definitions may inform the later use of the term. Additionally, the Dominion finds that the term 'ghoul' is somewhat silly-sounding. Is there no better term that you can use? Although it doesn't really matter, because this entire proposal really ought not to be made law.

"Furthermore, why should corpse re-animation be prohibited?" the Mouth asks. "To satisfy those who are squeamish about meaningless bags of flesh? To impose the will of those who hold the dead to be sacred upon those who are not so inclined? Why should the World Assembly do such? Does it not believe in equality of beliefs?

"And why should ghouls be executed? If Doctor Hankenstein brings his beloved pet Dachshund back to life and it, being a dog, is not sapient, why does it deserve to be executed, even if it displays no harmful tendencies?

"Also,'practise' is the verb form of the word. The noun is 'practice.'"

2. Any form of experiment, ritual, or other practise with the intent of creating a sapient undead be monitored by the Undead Preservation and Defense Force.

"Even if it is the mad dance of an obscure and irrelevant cult that has no chance of succeeding?" the Mouth asks. "Their religious practice must be monitored by this international body for simply having an 'intent' to raise the dead? The Dominion cannot help but see this as serious overreach on the World Assembly's part."

a. the UPDF being created of volunteers, who will execute any ghouls, including any inadvertently created from a approved experiment.

"And there are no prerequisites to volunterring for the UPDF?" the Mouth asks. "Anyone can just volunteer? Even this Mouth?"

The Mouth continues, "And is this some sort of military or police force? It certainly seems to be, given that the UPDF is given the authority to execute ghouls and seemingly police the actions of those seeking to re-animate the dead. If so, this proposal is illegal, as it contradicts GAR#2, 'Rights and Duties of WA States,' which bans the creation of a World Assembly police or military force."

Article 10 § Whilst WA Member States may engage in wars, the World Assembly as a body maintains neutrality in matters of civil and international strife. As such, the WA will not engage in commanding, organising, ratifying, denouncing, or otherwise participating in armed conflicts, police actions, or military activities under the WA banner.

3. Any sapient undead created through a approved channel must undergo a rigorous training and testing routine, in order to establish that they are prepared to enter society as citizens of a country.
a. These tests include the following: Demonstrating a ability to resist feeding on other citizens, Demonstrating a certain level of cognitive awareness, demonstrating the ability to be a working citizen of their nation.

"First, it is the consideration of the Dominion that any sapient undead would be protected by GA#355, 'Rights of Sapient Species' already. Additionally, why must the sapient undead be capable of acting as a working citizen? Suppose they were a child? Or differently-abled such that they could not work? Or perhaps bedridden? Do they fail the test? And what happens when they fail the test? Are they destroyed? Placed in quarantine? Left to literally rot away, forgotten by the world?"

I know it has issues, please help me fix them!

"The Dominion has done its best," the Mouth says. "However, there is no saving this proposal. It attempts to legislate upon a fictional idea -" The Mouth pauses and glances around the chamber just to make sure that no delegates from a hypothetical 'Sapient Undead' showed up. "- and it does not even do so effectively. Finally, it would simply be illegal to pass this proposed resolution. It is the view of the Dominion that this draft and idea is best left forgotten."

The Mouth suddenly perks up and adds, "Oh, and the title is misleading. It is the view of the Dominion that this draft really has nothing to do with corpse desecration. It only legislates upon attempts to re-animate the dead."

1. What section would you place this proposal into, then. Keep in mind I am still inexperienced. Simply telling me what I'm doing wrong, and no suggesting ways to fix them is of little to no help to me.

2. If 'ghouls' does not work, is there a particular term you would prefer.

3. I can add clauses to prevent the desecration of the dead, but I feel most of it would be covered by previous legislation.

4. I have edited the clause outlining the purpose of the UPDF, and outlying that it is NOT a military body, but a rules and regulations bureau.

5. That dog may not display harmful tendencies, but it is still dead. Thus, it has a higher number of possible infections should it actually attack a human. Those that can show they have control, essentially a sapient being, has nothing to fear from this legislation.

[ADST World]

"I'm concerned that many don't believe the dangers that dark magic such as necromancy pose" Clover said. "We had a serious military situation about half a year ago where a necromancer lost control of his creations and threated the security of the entire nation!"

"That said, if these people will ignore the law forbidding such practice, and are willing to ignore the social disdain for practicing necromancy, what makes you believe they will follow any international law on the subject?"

Because of the UPDF, which will actually have funds, and thus you will be able to perform necromancy in a way approved by the UPDF. However, those who disobey are left up to the home nation. The UPDF is for regulation and detection of deviant necromancy.

[ADST World]

"Oddly enough, as bizarre as policing rituals to reanimate the dead is, I find this draft significantly more workable than your last one, whatever-your-name-is." Schultz says, while chuckling at the thought of an Undead Preservation and Defense Force monitoring necromancy.

"First, I suggest you drop the UPDF entirely, since they are illegal. Instead, mandate that nations use their own law enforcement to police any reanimation practices.

"Second, drop the requirements on Sapient Ghouls. I already worked hard to make a resolution requiring tests of sapience. Don't waste it.

"Third, why the ban on ghouls, exactly? While I agree that attempts to reanimate the dead should probably be monitored, why must nations exterminate ghouls?"

Because I needed a catch-all term for non-sapient undead, without having to type long series of words again. Similar to defining 'sapient', defining 'ghoul' seemed a good idea at the time. Also, your test on sapience unfortunately does not consider the idea of control over their actions. In particular, it is likely that undead would feel urges that most other sapient species would consider disdainful, and that would be harmful to society. Simply proving they have control eliminates a possible threat.

[The Imperium Empires]

We can not agree with this as we enjoy destroying zombies and ghouls

[Bananaistan]

What section would you place this proposal into, then. Keep in mind I am still inexperienced. Simply telling me what I'm doing wrong, and no suggesting ways to fix them is of little to no help to me.

OOC: How new or inexperienced you are is irrelevant. Aside from briefly touching on some superstitious bullshit in your preamble, you have not explained why this is worthy of the WA's attention. My POV is that this is complete nonsense that would sully the books of international law on a par with World Space Administration. However, I try to keep an open mind, so please try to explain to me and any other skeptic why this is a good idea.

[Excidium Planetis]

1. What section would you place this proposal into, then. Keep in mind I am still inexperienced. Simply telling me what I'm doing wrong, and no suggesting ways to fix them is of little to no help to me.

"International Security."

2. If 'ghouls' does not work, is there a particular term you would prefer.

"I'm going to be honest, 'undead' is a better term. Why not use Sapient Undead and Non-Sapient Undead? Or at least use Ghouls in both cases. No need to use two different terms."

4. I have edited the clause outlining the purpose of the UPDF, and outlying that it is NOT a military body, but a rules and regulations bureau.

"Does it have enforcement power? If so, it is police. If it doesn't, I fail to see why it is necessary. It is a waste of GA Funds to create yet another bureaucracy when nations could do this themselves."

Because I needed a catch-all term for non-sapient undead, without having to type long series of words again. Similar to defining 'sapient', defining 'ghoul' seemed a good idea at the time.

"What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about your definition of ghoul. I asked why killing ghouls was necessary."

Also, your test on sapience unfortunately does not consider the idea of control over their actions. In particular, it is likely that undead would feel urges that most other sapient species would consider disdainful, and that would be harmful to society. Simply proving they have control eliminates a possible threat.

"My requirements for sapience absolutely include control. 'Act with appropriate judgment' implies control over one's actions. Also, introducing a further battery of tests to beings proved sapient would be discrimination unless you did it for every sapient being."

[Imperium Anglorum]

Yea. I'm not going to vote for this.

[ADST World]

1. What section would you place this proposal into, then. Keep in mind I am still inexperienced. Simply telling me what I'm doing wrong, and no suggesting ways to fix them is of little to no help to me.

"International Security."

2. If 'ghouls' does not work, is there a particular term you would prefer.

"I'm going to be honest, 'undead' is a better term. Why not use Sapient Undead and Non-Sapient Undead? Or at least use Ghouls in both cases. No need to use two different terms."

4. I have edited the clause outlining the purpose of the UPDF, and outlying that it is NOT a military body, but a rules and regulations bureau.

"Does it have enforcement power? If so, it is police. If it doesn't, I fail to see why it is necessary. It is a waste of GA Funds to create yet another bureaucracy when nations could do this themselves."

Because I needed a catch-all term for non-sapient undead, without having to type long series of words again. Similar to defining 'sapient', defining 'ghoul' seemed a good idea at the time.

"What the heck are you talking about? I didn't say anything about your definition of ghoul. I asked why killing ghouls was necessary."

Also, your test on sapience unfortunately does not consider the idea of control over their actions. In particular, it is likely that undead would feel urges that most other sapient species would consider disdainful, and that would be harmful to society. Simply proving they have control eliminates a possible threat.

"My requirements for sapience absolutely include control. 'Act with appropriate judgment' implies control over one's actions. Also, introducing a further battery of tests to beings proved sapient would be discrimination unless you did it for every sapient being."

1. Will remove testing clause.

2. Needs trained experts to evaluate the results of a experiment. If you would prefer, can replace with clause forcing hiring certified expert.

3. Will use suggestion of sapient undead and non-sapient undead.

4. Thanks for the type suggestion.

[ADST World]

What section would you place this proposal into, then. Keep in mind I am still inexperienced. Simply telling me what I'm doing wrong, and no suggesting ways to fix them is of little to no help to me.

OOC: How new or inexperienced you are is irrelevant. Aside from briefly touching on some superstitious bullshit in your preamble, you have not explained why this is worthy of the WA's attention. My POV is that this is complete nonsense that would sully the books of international law on a par with World Space Administration. However, I try to keep an open mind, so please try to explain to me and any other skeptic why this is a good idea.

Ok:

Some nations have citizens who are of a type that would be considered 'undead'. These nations have ways of producing them. However, there are no guarantees that a result will be sapient, and thus a applicable member of society. We do not always know what happens to these anomalies. Thus, the proper monitoring and disposal is required, specifically due to the fact that non-sapient undead have been known to attack and kill sapient organic beings on sight.

[ADST World]

We can not agree with this as we enjoy destroying zombies and ghouls

You still get to, just not the sapient ones.

[ADST World]

Yea. I'm not going to vote for this.

Why not? Giving me reasons why helps me to write a better proposal.

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: How new or inexperienced you are is irrelevant. Aside from briefly touching on some superstitious bullshit in your preamble, you have not explained why this is worthy of the WA's attention. My POV is that this is complete nonsense that would sully the books of international law on a par with World Space Administration. However, I try to keep an open mind, so please try to explain to me and any other skeptic why this is a good idea.

Ok:

Some nations have citizens who are of a type that would be considered 'undead'. These nations have ways of producing them. However, there are no guarantees that a result will be sapient, and thus a applicable member of society. We do not always know what happens to these anomalies. Thus, the proper monitoring and disposal is required, specifically due to the fact that non-sapient undead have been known to attack and kill sapient organic beings on sight.

"So, how is this an issue for the World Assembly? If a nation has police forces capable of dealing deadly force, they can stop the creature. If it is a function of infectiousness, extant law on epidemic response and infectious disease control apply. If it is a sapient creature, extant civil rights law applies. If it is not sentient, why does it deserve protection?"

[Araraukar]

Some nations have citizens who are of a type that would be considered 'undead'. These nations have ways of producing them. However, there are no guarantees that a result will be sapient, and thus a applicable member of society. We do not always know what happens to these anomalies. Thus, the proper monitoring and disposal is required, specifically due to the fact that non-sapient undead have been known to attack and kill sapient organic beings on sight.

"So, how is this an issue for the World Assembly? If a nation has police forces capable of dealing deadly force, they can stop the creature. If it is a function of infectiousness, extant law on epidemic response and infectious disease control apply. If it is a sapient creature, extant civil rights law applies. If it is not sentient, why does it deserve protection?"

OOC: Also, while I always urge people to use species-neutral language, and I have a weird-and-wacky non-human hivemind WA member nation in PPU, I wouldn't try to make a proposal on "plant rights" or such, because that would be me trying to force my roleplay on all the WA nations.

Zombie/undead proposals read the same to me; an attempt to force roleplay on others. There have been attempts made to explain it off as some kind of disease - which failed due to reasons SP mentioned above - but if you get right down to it, it's basically "magic", and magic belongs in the RP realm.

You're fine making comments on the debate threads from your own "magic" point of view, and ask for clarifications, like I do with PPU, but trying to force that onto the WA via resolution, has been deemed illegal before.