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Restrict Military Aid

A resolution to improve world security by boosting police and military budgets.

Category: International Security

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Saariset

Description: Pointing out: Many Regions who are technically neutral (be they Invaders or Defenders) have entered in on conflicts such as the Leftist-Fascist Conflict currently raging across NationStates,

Noting: These conflicts are constantly enlarging,

Appalled: That these conflicts have destroyed so many Nations/Regions caught in the crossfire,

Revealing: Many Regions on both sides have undocumented WA puppets (not pointing fingers), and have committed horrible atrocities (such as genocide and enslavement of neutral Regions),

Hoping: That this resolution might restrict the interests or freedoms of mercenary groups or fanatic extremists,

Placing blame on: Large Regions who are hell-bent on destroying any and all opposition by claiming the are Fascist or Leftist (based on ideology),

Pleads the World Assembly to prevent foreign parties, who are not of the conflicting ideals, from intervening in large or enlarging conflicts.

Approvals: 1 (Vancouvia)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 86 more approvals)

With references to puppets, regions, invaders/defenders, it's safe to say this is text-book meta-gaming. It breaks the fourth wall and refers to aspects of gameplay.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:37 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:Well, that was a nice Saturday. Oh dear, look at the queue. Looks like I'll need to use spoilers since this is a long post. I've placed the illegal proposals under spoiler tags to keep this tidy.

You're certainly not holding back on this, are you, Kryo? I appreciate your efforts, but everyone needs a rest from the madness that is the GA from time to time. If only there were more active WA Game Mods, but alas, that idea has been shot down. There's only one solution for this.

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Postby Kryozerkia » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:23 pm

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He had declined, opting to focus on the forum for the interim.

In the mean time:

Universal Heath

A resolution to modify universal standards of healthcare.


Category: Health

Area of Effect: International Aid

Proposed by: La Crescant

Description: My proposal stands as the following:
Nations within the WA should be required to help out other members of the WA with health issues. World health problems must go down and only together may we help end such suffering everywhere and help each other grow and prosper in the field of health. With international aid we can end health problems and focus on more pressing issues around the world.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 87 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 1 hour

It's a do-nothing, feel-good proposal. It's a series of vague sentiments not back up by any substantive mandate or specific clauses related to providing international aid or standards related to such aid. It was also submitted twice.
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Kryozerkia wrote:
Universal Heath

It's a do-nothing, feel-good proposal. It's a series of vague sentiments not back up by any substantive mandate or specific clauses related to providing international aid or standards related to such aid. It was also submitted twice.

Also, the fact that it opens with the words "My proposal is" constitutes a case of 'Branding'... Yes?
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Postby Kryozerkia » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:57 am

Bears Armed wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:
Universal Heath

It's a do-nothing, feel-good proposal. It's a series of vague sentiments not back up by any substantive mandate or specific clauses related to providing international aid or standards related to such aid. It was also submitted twice.

Also, the fact that it opens with the words "My proposal is" constitutes a case of 'Branding'... Yes?

Ah, that line. It would seem so.

For today's edition of illegal proposals, we have the following:

Equality and Choice Act

A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Kitzerland

Description: Given that the assembly is:

COMMITTED to equality for all peoples;

CONCERNED, however, over inherent biases in human nature;

RESOLVED to promote choice;

This resolution prevents any and all WA member states to:

Target with a proposal any nation and/or region solely on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, wealth, gender identity, nationality, and/or sexual orientation.

a. These terms are defined as - respectively - skin color; what faith you follow; what your ancestry is; what material belongings you have; whether you think of yourself as male, female, or other; what your country of origin is; and what gender you are attracted to.

b. Being targeted with a proposal is defined as to be affected specifically by a proposal that would prevent you from expressing your beliefs. This does not include proposals that happen to prevent you from expressing beliefs for some security reason or similar explanation.

2. Target with a hateful telegram or other messaging device any nation and/or region solely on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, wealth, gender identity, nationality, and/or sexual orientation, as defined above.

a. This includes messages on forums and RMB boards.

b. Denouncing someone or some region for their political beliefs is not considered an issue prevented by the resolution.

c. Messaging someone to insult someone else still applies to the resolution.

Approvals: 2 (Humberistan, Ancient Free and Accepted Masons)

This has a few flaws. (a) Category: The proposal favours the advance of rights (eg. expression and freedom from discrimination) yet 'Moral Decency' would have the opposite statistical effect than intended. If we accept an alternative interpretation then it's restricting an individual's right to discriminate.

(b) Possible duplication - resolution #30: Freedom of Expression already guarantees that individuals have the right of self-expression, including belief.

(c) Section 1 is dubious (iffy on legality). Between the diverse beliefs of the World Assembly and the supporting, highly subjective definition in 1(b), this section troublesome given the implications of intent. Theoretically, no proposal could exist because every proposal effectively targets a belief in some way. Every resolution has core belief; a belief that something must be done or changed to improve the world, whether its to mandate a minimum standard of living (even if some nations believe that it's the individual's responsibility, not the state), legalize abortion (where religious states feel it's violates the sanctity of life); etc.

(d) Section 2 is a giant meta-gaming violation. None of that is the World Assembly's concern. That falls under Moderator jurisdiction.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:09 pm

There are currently 3 proposals submitted, and they're all right here...
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: expanded_wisconsin_1475017898
Improvement of Free Trade

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.


Category: Free Trade


Strength: Mild


Proposed by: Expanded Wisconsin

Description: Description: Free Trade encourages international economic growth. By opening new corridors of commerce, the world can benefit greatly from new sources of tax income.

Approvals: 1 (Expanded Wisconsin)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 86 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

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GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: excellent_anarchy_1475018293
WA Open Borders Act

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.


Category: Free Trade


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Excellent Anarchy

Description: Acknowledging that nations have, usually rigid, national borders to other countries, in order to increase security.

Concerned that high tariffs and passport requirements are hindering the travel and trade between two nations at peace, causing distress to the transportation and tourism industries when doing business across land borders.

Aware that, if not done carefully, such open borders and/or free trade agreements can eventually lead to "tax havens", places where little or no tax is applied to wealth.

Resolving that the WA enact a system to make it easier for friendly countries to open up their borders to one another, to make travelling and trade easier, which benefits the trade and tourism industries. This shall be titled the "World Assembly Open Borders Programme", "WA Open Borders", or "WAOB"

This Act Hereby Authorises the creation of the WA Open Borders Programme to make a unified system for nations to open up their borders to others in the programme. Nations are allowed to open up borders of consenting, authorised nations without agreements for each country. This works under the following conditions which must be agreed to.

1. The WAOB shall only apply to WA nations, as long as it is not part of an condemned (per WA Security Council) nation or region. Never should the WAOB be extended to non-World Assembly members, condemned nations, or nations of condemned affiliation.

2. Nations can blacklist other WA nations participating in the WAOB if they don’t wish to include them within their open borders agreement, decidable domestically without WA approval. Assuming a nation stays qualified for the WAOB, the WA is not permitted to interfere with the open borders of any nations, nor may the WA force any nation to join or leave the WAOB if they are qualified: joining the WAOB is at discretion of nation.

3. People of national security threats and unauthorised non-visitor immigrants will be restricted from entering the nation, at the discretion of the visited nation. People will still need to obtain a travel visa or equivalent in order to settle down in a WA Open Borders nation.

4. The open borders policy shall apply to international travellers, whom shall not be stopped by customs or passed through security unless the person appears to be a threat. This does not apply to air, sea, and public land transit in which custom security measures are in place for all travellers. Any legal resident of which open borders applies shall be permitted entry. Routes over public roads shall not have any checkpoints due to the nature of open borders, and borders should remain marked, both assuming the nations in question border one another.

5. Through trade, taxes should apply to the destination in which the goods will be received. If for an unusual reason the goods do not have a destination, the nation in which it originated shall collect taxes. Illegal goods prohibited in any crossed borders shall never be transported over borders that restrict it. Between WAOB nations, tariffs (defined as taxes on imported goods), shall not apply, unless having temporarily left a WAOB zone and re-entered. To encourage free trade, the goods shall not be taxed on by both countries together, only one shall. The WAOB prohibits tariff exemption to currency with intention of tax evasion by transporting the currency into a tax haven. The WA is permitted to decide upon other exemptions to other situations.

Approvals: 2 (Universal Socialism, Expanded Wisconsin)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 85 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

Optionality, metagaming.
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: maplelea_1475019373
Refugee Assistance Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights


Strength: Mild


Proposed by: Maplelea

Description: The World Assembly,

NOTING, various injustices in unstable nations and regions have forced citizens to flee to safer areas,

UNDERSTANDS, that starting a new life in a new nation/region can be challenging,

WISHES, to assist those refugees who struggle as they adjust to life in a new nation/region,

PROPOSES, several WA-sponsored assistance programs including financial aid, food banks and immigration offices to be operated across the world specifically for the purposes of aiding refugees,

HEREBY enacts the Refugee Assistance Act.

Approvals: 1 (Expanded Wisconsin)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 86 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

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Postby Calladan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:06 am

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GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: excellent_anarchy_1475018293
WA Open Borders Act

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.


Category: Free Trade


Strength: Significant


Proposed by: Excellent Anarchy

Description: Acknowledging that nations have, usually rigid, national borders to other countries, in order to increase security.

Concerned that high tariffs and passport requirements are hindering the travel and trade between two nations at peace, causing distress to the transportation and tourism industries when doing business across land borders.

Aware that, if not done carefully, such open borders and/or free trade agreements can eventually lead to "tax havens", places where little or no tax is applied to wealth.

Resolving that the WA enact a system to make it easier for friendly countries to open up their borders to one another, to make travelling and trade easier, which benefits the trade and tourism industries. This shall be titled the "World Assembly Open Borders Programme", "WA Open Borders", or "WAOB"

This Act Hereby Authorises the creation of the WA Open Borders Programme to make a unified system for nations to open up their borders to others in the programme. Nations are allowed to open up borders of consenting, authorised nations without agreements for each country. This works under the following conditions which must be agreed to.

1. The WAOB shall only apply to WA nations, as long as it is not part of an condemned (per WA Security Council) nation or region. Never should the WAOB be extended to non-World Assembly members, condemned nations, or nations of condemned affiliation.

2. Nations can blacklist other WA nations participating in the WAOB if they don’t wish to include them within their open borders agreement, decidable domestically without WA approval. Assuming a nation stays qualified for the WAOB, the WA is not permitted to interfere with the open borders of any nations, nor may the WA force any nation to join or leave the WAOB if they are qualified: joining the WAOB is at discretion of nation.

3. People of national security threats and unauthorised non-visitor immigrants will be restricted from entering the nation, at the discretion of the visited nation. People will still need to obtain a travel visa or equivalent in order to settle down in a WA Open Borders nation.

4. The open borders policy shall apply to international travellers, whom shall not be stopped by customs or passed through security unless the person appears to be a threat. This does not apply to air, sea, and public land transit in which custom security measures are in place for all travellers. Any legal resident of which open borders applies shall be permitted entry. Routes over public roads shall not have any checkpoints due to the nature of open borders, and borders should remain marked, both assuming the nations in question border one another.

5. Through trade, taxes should apply to the destination in which the goods will be received. If for an unusual reason the goods do not have a destination, the nation in which it originated shall collect taxes. Illegal goods prohibited in any crossed borders shall never be transported over borders that restrict it. Between WAOB nations, tariffs (defined as taxes on imported goods), shall not apply, unless having temporarily left a WAOB zone and re-entered. To encourage free trade, the goods shall not be taxed on by both countries together, only one shall. The WAOB prohibits tariff exemption to currency with intention of tax evasion by transporting the currency into a tax haven. The WA is permitted to decide upon other exemptions to other situations.

Approvals: 2 (Universal Socialism, Expanded Wisconsin)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 85 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 4 hours

Optionality, metagaming.


I am not sure about the optionality part - all it says is that we have the choice whether to include another nation in our open border agreement. So that means this proposal will apply to Genovia when it passes, but I do not necessarily need to give Genovia "open border" rights to Calladan. It is my discretion and will allow me to RP that decision as I see fit. I would say it opens up a whole new area of role-playing, which is no bad thing.

In fact, everything that makes it optional appears to be "at the discretion of the visited nation" (or some other term) -- it is not trying to override the game mechanics, it is trying to let the nations take back the power and - as I said before, increase the chances for role-playing and so forth.

That is not to say I don't have problems with this proposal - the entire text seems somewhat confused and a little messy. Clause 4 especially seems to be........ nonsense.

The open borders policy shall apply to international travellers, whom shall not be stopped by customs or passed through security unless the person appears to be a threat


Due to the dangling modifier, this can be read as "whom shall not be passed through security unless the person appears to be a threat", but I will ignore that for the moment :)

This does not apply to air, sea, and public land transit in which custom security measures are in place for all travellers


If this does not apply to air, sea and public land transit, what else does that leave exactly? Private land transit? So if someone rocks up to the Calladan border in a privately owned camper-van I have to pass them through without question, but if they are in a bus or a train I can stop them and demand to see their passport? This seems a little odd?

And if they come in on a private jet, or a private speed boat, I can stop them and demand to see their papers, but if they come in on a bike I can't? This doesn't seem to have been thought through at all.

So while I don't think the proposal is illegal per-se, I think there are problems with it, because it is open to a wide variety of interpretations and could easily be abused and misused by countries less democratic and welcoming than my own (for example).
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:15 am

Calladan wrote:If this does not apply to air, sea and public land transit, what else does that leave exactly? Private land transit? So if someone rocks up to the Calladan border in a privately owned camper-van I have to pass them through without question, but if they are in a bus or a train I can stop them and demand to see their passport? This seems a little odd?
And if they come in on a private jet, or a private speed boat, I can stop them and demand to see their papers, but if they come in on a bike I can't? This doesn't seem to have been thought through at all.


I read this to say more that it's okay to stop and check for proper documentation, so long as you're doing it to everyone, not just Travelers.

Calladan wrote:So while I don't think the proposal is illegal per-se, I think there are problems with it, because it is open to a wide variety of interpretations and could easily be abused and misused by countries less democratic and welcoming than my own (for example).


It is, actually. Optionality, and all that, as a Member-State doesn't have to be part of this open-borders agreement.
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Postby Calladan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:33 am

Tinfect wrote:
Calladan wrote:If this does not apply to air, sea and public land transit, what else does that leave exactly? Private land transit? So if someone rocks up to the Calladan border in a privately owned camper-van I have to pass them through without question, but if they are in a bus or a train I can stop them and demand to see their passport? This seems a little odd?
And if they come in on a private jet, or a private speed boat, I can stop them and demand to see their papers, but if they come in on a bike I can't? This doesn't seem to have been thought through at all.


I read this to say more that it's okay to stop and check for proper documentation, so long as you're doing it to everyone, not just Travelers.

Calladan wrote:So while I don't think the proposal is illegal per-se, I think there are problems with it, because it is open to a wide variety of interpretations and could easily be abused and misused by countries less democratic and welcoming than my own (for example).


It is, actually. Optionality, and all that, as a Member-State doesn't have to be part of this open-borders agreement.


But where does optionality end and role-playing begin? What if the proposal is saying "Every WA member will be part of the Open Borders agreement, but can decide not to apply it to any nation?" That would have the same affect, but not fall under the optionality rule, wouldn't it? And - as a result - it would not be illegal?
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:24 am

Calladan wrote:
Tinfect wrote:
I read this to say more that it's okay to stop and check for proper documentation, so long as you're doing it to everyone, not just Travelers.



It is, actually. Optionality, and all that, as a Member-State doesn't have to be part of this open-borders agreement.


But where does optionality end and role-playing begin? What if the proposal is saying "Every WA member will be part of the Open Borders agreement, but can decide not to apply it to any nation?" That would have the same affect, but not fall under the optionality rule, wouldn't it? And - as a result - it would not be illegal?

That would still be optionality.
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Postby Calladan » Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:42 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Calladan wrote:But where does optionality end and role-playing begin? What if the proposal is saying "Every WA member will be part of the Open Borders agreement, but can decide not to apply it to any nation?" That would have the same affect, but not fall under the optionality rule, wouldn't it? And - as a result - it would not be illegal?

That would still be optionality.


I am really not trying to be argumentative here - but say this proposal passes (which I know is very improbable at this point but go with me here) and the Open Borders agreement is WA law.

Calladan is therefore subject to it, and agrees to apply it to all nations within the WA (because if it includes air & space travel then - arguably - it includes all nations since you can fly from any nation to any other nation). However if I then go to war with Genovia then I would reserve the right to close my borders to Genovia because having an open border with a country I am at war with would be somewhat of a security risk.

To me - that is not me opting out of the OBA as a whole, just acting on my right to activate the part of it that says I can close my borders to some nations.

Or if there is a rebellion in Genovia and some terrorists blow some stuff up, I might want to institute border controls for citizens of Genovia and stop suspected Genovian terrorists entering my country, while retaining open borders with all other WA nations. Again - not opting out of the OBA, just not having completely open borders with a specific nation.

Now I realise that there is a slight difference between having non-open borders for named nations and ALL nations, but you could argue it is just an extention of the principle.

(As I said - I am just curious about this because there are ANY number of discussions about improving the role-play aspects of the game and this proposal seems like a perfect opportunity to do so - you implement a proposal that gives a MASSIVE scope for future RP opportunities, rather than just dismissing it because it could potentially be optional.

Yes - the way it is written seems to fall more on the optional side, but if it were re-written to specifically state that it applies to all WA members, but allows WA members discretion to have named states with which they have non-open borders, would that be more acceptable? Just as an example?)

(later edit)

Of course the ironic (and I admit - moronic) part of this is however well written it was, Calladan would never vote for open borders anyway. We have an absolute ban on citizens and visitors owning and carrying handguns around, so we have to stop everyone at the border (no matter who they are or where they come from) to enforce this ban.
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Postby Kryozerkia » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:15 am

I agree with The Two Jerseys' assessment of all three.

For "WA Open Borders Act, here's a short explanation for its legality -

Clause one is the meta-gaming violation. The GA and the SC are considered separate entities. The two are not permitted to interact nor call upon the other to take action.

Clause two is optional. There are no exceptions listed. It would not be unreasonable for a member nations to retain 'closed' borders under this clause. Blacking listing all nations is viable based on the wording. For this to be legal, it'd require open borders between all WA members. Exceptions can still be legal. Examples are: member nations retaining the right to decide on border status with non-member nations; the right to close borders to a specific nation for war/security/civil unrest reasons.
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Postby Kryozerkia » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:12 am

Today's edition of "why don't authors read the dang rules" features:

Universal healthcare act

A resolution to modify universal standards of healthcare.

Category: Health

Area of Effect: Healthcare

Proposed by: North porkistna

Description: I propose that we create a universal healthcare law giving every one healthcare

Approvals: 1 (The Deep Thought)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 87 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 10 hours

You mean like GAR#97: Quality in Health Services? I'd say that's fairly universal.

Repeal "Right to Petition"

A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: GA#174

Proposed by: Excellent Anarchy

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #174: Right to Petition (Category: Furtherment of Democracy; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Acknowledging that the Right to Petition Resolution attempted to formally protect the Right to Petition

Disappointed that the resolution vaguely defines a petition as "a written observation, suggestion, request, criticism or complaint", despite petitions coming in other forms, such as striking, boycotting, and other non-violent protesting and petitioning forms.

Worried that the vagueness of this resolution could be abused by potential criminals to promote violent protests, citable to be giving people the right to petition violently. Its definition would potentially allow complaints to be delivered with weaponry, which poses a public safety risk.

Concludes that the resolution in its current form is vague enough to pose threats to people who abuse its words. Therefore, the Right to Petition resolution, in its current form, resolution number one hundred and seventy-four, shall be repealed, and held as null and void in the World Assembly and across its fellow nations and regions.

Approvals: 1 (The Union of Mandalorian Erebor)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 87 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 10 hours

Here's a repeal that isn't going after the last resolution voted in or one of the popular options.

It seems to meet the basic requirements for a repeal. However, it could be an 'honest mistake' because of its interpretation of petition. It alleges that the definition of a 'petition' doesn't allow for other forms of protest, such as boycotts or strikes. On the issue of boycotts, a petition can easily be used to suggest or request government enact a boycott of certain international corporations for reasons XYZ. Petitions can be used to criticize a government's unwillingness to support a call for a boycott. A complaint petition could carry a strike threat if certain conditions aren't met. If the complaint petition isn't heeded then there is a strike. (I may have to consult with another GA mod; my reasoning feels weak).

To protect and still carry

A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control

Decision: Tighten

Proposed by: DeCole

Description: To the World Assembly:

Day after day we hear stories that touches our hearts and sense of protection as nations. Day after day innocent lives parish to to the hands of people that are clearly not able to carry a gun.
While in a democratic society a government cannot block the right of self defense, the same must ensure everyone is protected.

Therefore,

KNOWING that the right to bear arms and self-defense is a cornerstone of a democratic and free society;

UNDERSTANDING that national governments must do everything they can to protect their citizens;

The Government of the United States of DeCole hereby proposes to the General Assembly:

ENACTS that all member states should perform a psychological test to their citizens before entrust them with a gun;

URGES the member states of the World Assembly to instate a national record of gun ownership

PENALIZES, within the law, citizens that threaten their countrymen with an unregistered gun;

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

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Postby Cogoria » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:51 am

There seem to be a constant stream of proposals trying to make all WA nations legalise guns....

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Postby Kryozerkia » Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:52 pm

Cogoria wrote:There seem to be a constant stream of proposals trying to make all WA nations legalise guns....

It's a popular topic.
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Global Free Trade Agreement

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: Tora Tora Wild America

Description: Nations, in order to run an effective domestic and global economy, there must be producer and consumer surplus in order to eradicate as much deadweight loss as possible. Tariffs and governmental quotas create deadweight loss.

Governmental quotas, which limit the amount of a certain good allowed in a country decreases supply, which increases both demand and price. This creates scarcity, and both consumer and producer surplus are reduced. Consumers will not be able to purchase as much as they would want, and producers cannot supply enough creating substantial deadweight loss.

Tariffs create revenue for the government, but still decrease supply as less consumers are willing to pay for the good, meaning less of the good is produced once again creating deadweight loss. An example of the economic disaster tariffs bring about is the "Smoot-Hawley" Tariff Acts of 1930, which greatly contributed to the development of the Great Depression. Free trade is economically beneficial to governments, producers, and consumers. I propose the following legislature.

I: Abolish all taxes on imported and exported goods.
II: Abolish the use of governmental quotas to control the supply of any good.
III: Any nation in violation of statement I will be required to hand over the money that they've taxed to the vendor as well as an additional 5% of the funds confiscated.
IV: Any nation in violation of act II will be fined the amount of a good that was not able to be imported because of restrictions. Information on the general amount imported will be taken from said vendor's daily records.
V: Any vendor providing falsified accounts of the amount of goods generally imported daily will forfeit all rights to reimbursement.

Approvals: 3 (Cagestan, Jacuzzia, Misplaced States)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 85 more approvals)

There are two clear violations: (a) a real world/life reference to the Great Depression and American legislation; (b) contradiction of GAR#209: World Assembly Trade Rights. GAR#209 does not mandate taxes, however, it does allow for some form of taxation on imports and exports in specific circumstances, 1(b).
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Relax Gun Control

A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.

Category: Gun Control

Decision: Relax

Proposed by: Dominant Eleutheria

Description: For too long, the fair minded and peaceful citizens of this earth have been bullied and coerced by oppressive governments and raiders.
For too long, they have been defenseless.
We formally petition the General Assembly to loosen gun control, so that they will have a measure of self-defense, and a method of self-preservation from tyranny and raiding scum. Thank you.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

This one is removed under the OSRS. Referring to 'invaders' or 'raiders' as scum in this context is flaming.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:41 pm

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: the_north_american_contident_1475203088

Progressive Front
A resolution to develop industry around the world.

Category: Advancement of Industry
Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation
Proposed by: The North American Contident

Description: Bill Phases: First, the bill will allocate that industry is to be under a no income-tax policy meaning businesses would pour into the nation or region or preceding.

2nd- The bill would remove all regulations that are strict and that are restricting businesses from moving into regions.

3rd- More people would start using the industries and businesses presiding in the region and or nation so more income is pumped into the economies of the nation.

Bill Reason: To ensure prosperity among-st all nations and regions of Nation-States and develop competition among others so peoples nations and regions can thrive among it as well.

Bill Affect: Economic Success- Up, Environmental Beauty and/ or Environmental Factors- Down due to industry booming.

Passing the bill would boost the lowest economies to some of the highest and the biggest one to even bigger ones. This bill is a universal bill made by TROTNAC and should be initiated along all nations and regions. Note: The policy introduced in this proposal is Taylorist- Idea of further progression in business and economic efficiency.

PLEASE PASS THIS LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROGRESS THE MANUFACTURING AND ECONOMY OF YOUR NATION.

Approvals: 1 (The North American Contident)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 22 hours

Interferes with domestic taxation and therefore violates 17 GA. Also violates the metagaming rule on the mentioning of regions.

EDIT: Also, two responses to point 1 and one response to point 2. 1(a) Abolition of income-taxes is a terrible idea. It would decreases the inclusivity of economic institutions and cause societal unrest while also destabilising government finances. 1(b) Corporations are not affected by income taxes. They are affected by corporate taxes. 2(a) There is no bright line for strict regulations, and therefore, it is very unclear what this would do.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:11 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: the_north_american_contident_1475203088

Progressive Front
A resolution to develop industry around the world.

Category: Advancement of Industry
Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation
Proposed by: The North American Contident

Description: Bill Phases: First, the bill will allocate that industry is to be under a no income-tax policy meaning businesses would pour into the nation or region or preceding.

2nd- The bill would remove all regulations that are strict and that are restricting businesses from moving into regions.

3rd- More people would start using the industries and businesses presiding in the region and or nation so more income is pumped into the economies of the nation.

Bill Reason: To ensure prosperity among-st all nations and regions of Nation-States and develop competition among others so peoples nations and regions can thrive among it as well.

Bill Affect: Economic Success- Up, Environmental Beauty and/ or Environmental Factors- Down due to industry booming.

Passing the bill would boost the lowest economies to some of the highest and the biggest one to even bigger ones. This bill is a universal bill made by TROTNAC and should be initiated along all nations and regions. Note: The policy introduced in this proposal is Taylorist- Idea of further progression in business and economic efficiency.

PLEASE PASS THIS LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROGRESS THE MANUFACTURING AND ECONOMY OF YOUR NATION.

Approvals: 1 (The North American Contident)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 22 hours

Interferes with domestic taxation and therefore violates 17 GA. Also violates the metagaming rule on the mentioning of regions.

EDIT: Also, two responses to point 1 and one response to point 2. 1(a) Abolition of income-taxes is a terrible idea. It would decreases the inclusivity of economic institutions and cause societal unrest while also destabilising government finances. 1(b) Corporations are not affected by income taxes. They are affected by corporate taxes. 2(a) There is no bright line for strict regulations, and therefore, it is very unclear what this would do.

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Postby De Dreamland » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:29 am

GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: republic_of_beckett_1475206507

Nothing shall change

A resolution to slash worldwide military spending.


Category: Global Disarmament

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: Republic of Beckett

Description: As we have seen in the past, when the Fire nation has attacked, the balance of power has shifted dramatically in the world, as seen 100 years ago with the arrival of Sozen's comet. It is my belief that we must stand united in this time without the Avatar, even as the world needs him the most right now, we must be united in our resistance to this war mongering nation at least until the new Avatar arrives. We must also unite to make sure that acts of genocide against that of the peaceful Air nomads never happens again without retribution or relief efforts sent to the besieged monks.

Approvals: 3

This is rambling about Avatar: The Last Airbender and has nothing to do NationStates or the WA (Although I do like the show).
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Postby Kryozerkia » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:45 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
GENERAL ASSEMBLY PROPOSAL
ID: the_north_american_contident_1475203088

Progressive Front
A resolution to develop industry around the world.

Category: Advancement of Industry
Area of Effect: Labor Deregulation
Proposed by: The North American Contident

Description: Bill Phases: First, the bill will allocate that industry is to be under a no income-tax policy meaning businesses would pour into the nation or region or preceding.

2nd- The bill would remove all regulations that are strict and that are restricting businesses from moving into regions.

3rd- More people would start using the industries and businesses presiding in the region and or nation so more income is pumped into the economies of the nation.

Bill Reason: To ensure prosperity among-st all nations and regions of Nation-States and develop competition among others so peoples nations and regions can thrive among it as well.

Bill Affect: Economic Success- Up, Environmental Beauty and/ or Environmental Factors- Down due to industry booming.

Passing the bill would boost the lowest economies to some of the highest and the biggest one to even bigger ones. This bill is a universal bill made by TROTNAC and should be initiated along all nations and regions. Note: The policy introduced in this proposal is Taylorist- Idea of further progression in business and economic efficiency.

PLEASE PASS THIS LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO PROGRESS THE MANUFACTURING AND ECONOMY OF YOUR NATION.

Approvals: 1 (The North American Contident)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 2 days 22 hours

Interferes with domestic taxation and therefore violates 17 GA. Also violates the metagaming rule on the mentioning of regions.

EDIT: Also, two responses to point 1 and one response to point 2. 1(a) Abolition of income-taxes is a terrible idea. It would decreases the inclusivity of economic institutions and cause societal unrest while also destabilising government finances. 1(b) Corporations are not affected by income taxes. They are affected by corporate taxes. 2(a) There is no bright line for strict regulations, and therefore, it is very unclear what this would do.

It also seems they are undecided as to whether this is an issue (in which case, have fun IEs), or a proposal. Judging by the structure, it's somewhere between, notably because of the affect and mention of stats. The category also seems a might off. The proposal does mention "restrictions" but only in the broadest sense. Its entirety is about taxation and access to markets, not about labour.

Unban Memes

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Mild

Proposed by: National Socialist Republic of Poland

Description: DISGUSTED at the violation of free soeech by the ADL;

DISMAYED at the destruction of an innocent meme;

The World Assembly hereby disregards the Anti-Defamation League and promotes free speech on all forums.

Approvals: 1 (Free Wasord Islands)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 88 more approvals)

Real world reference to the ADL.
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Purge the Elderly

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: The Animal Preserve

Description: Old people provide nothing to the world, yet cost so much to maintain. It would be better for the economy if all elderly were purged from this world. It would make retirement homes unnecessary and allow countries to focus funds on more important issues, like giving animals more rights than humans.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 89 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 11 hours

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Postby Calladan » Fri Sep 30, 2016 12:34 pm

Kryozerkia wrote:
Purge the Elderly

A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.

Category: Free Trade

Strength: Significant

Proposed by: The Animal Preserve

Description: Old people provide nothing to the world, yet cost so much to maintain. It would be better for the economy if all elderly were purged from this world. It would make retirement homes unnecessary and allow countries to focus funds on more important issues, like giving animals more rights than humans.

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 89 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days 11 hours

Well then.


I especially like the way it doesn't define the age at which a person becomes "elderly" and should therefore be purged from the world.
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Kryozerkia wrote:
-snip-

Well then.

Is...is that a violation of the 'Grossly Offensive' rule?
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States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Kryozerkia wrote:
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Well then.

Is...is that a violation of the 'Grossly Offensive' rule?

I took it down under the OSRS.
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