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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:57 pm

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:I can't do that or it'll get removed for plagiarism.

This is absolute nonsense.

I am equally confused. What exactly would it be plagiarising?

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:03 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Wrapper wrote:This is absolute nonsense.

I am equally confused. What exactly would it be plagiarising?

I am also confused. I can find no rule saying you can't write two resolutions with the same title.
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Postby Wrapper » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:08 pm

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The Silver Sentinel wrote:I am equally confused. What exactly would it be plagiarising?

I am also confused. I can find no rule saying you can't write two resolutions with the same title.

And you certainly can't plagiarize yourself.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:27 pm

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Wallenburg wrote:I am also confused. I can find no rule saying you can't write two resolutions with the same title.

And you certainly can't plagiarize yourself.

Duplicitous Aid Ban was proposed by someone else.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:35 pm

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Wrapper wrote:And you certainly can't plagiarize yourself.

Duplicitous Aid Ban was proposed by someone else.

Soooo.... Did you plagiarize their proposal? Using the same title has never been considered plagiarism as far as I know.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:36 pm

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:Duplicitous Aid Ban was proposed by someone else.

Soooo.... Did you plagiarize their proposal? Using the same title has never been considered plagiarism as far as I know.

You proposed it. And I'm not taking chances.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:37 pm

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The Silver Sentinel wrote:Soooo.... Did you plagiarize their proposal? Using the same title has never been considered plagiarism as far as I know.

You proposed it. And I'm not taking chances.

I proposed it? Where?

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Postby Razgriskm » Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:44 am

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The representative of Razgriskm takes a pull of smoke from the cigarette held in his black gloved hand. Letting out a puff he says. "Like what was said before. I highly doubt any of the weakwilled member states of the world assembly would send booby trapped aid. Nor would Razgriskm, this is a waste of time and resources for something none of your member states would even consider without feinting from the prospect of violence." He puts out the smoking cigarette on the desk. "Razgriskm's consideration with the world assembly is disappearing."

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:22 am

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Imperium Anglorum wrote:I can't do that or it'll get removed for plagiarism.

This is absolute nonsense.

And now he is defining "booby-trapped aid", but later in the text uses "duplicitous aid"...
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Postby The Candy Of Bottles » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:38 am

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The representative of Razgriskm takes a pull of smoke from the cigarette held in his black gloved hand. Letting out a puff he says. "Like what was said before. I highly doubt any of the weakwilled member states of the world assembly would send booby trapped aid. Nor would Razgriskm, this is a waste of time and resources for something none of your member states would even consider without feinting from the prospect of violence." He puts out the smoking cigarette on the desk. "Razgriskm's consideration with the world assembly is disappearing."


Tislam, noting that the Razgriskmian delegate has returned, quickly flies over to him and gives him a measured buck to the head, aiming to knock him out before cuffing his arms and legs together and carrying him off. "I warned them."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:38 pm

Araraukar wrote:
Wrapper wrote:This is absolute nonsense.

And now he is defining "booby-trapped aid", but later in the text uses "duplicitous aid"...

Whoops. Forgot to change that.

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Postby Araraukar » Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:18 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Araraukar wrote:And now he is defining "booby-trapped aid", but later in the text uses "duplicitous aid"...

Whoops. Forgot to change that.

OOC: Hehe, I feel like teasing you about missing it in as short a proposal as this one, but hey, that's why drafting happens; to point out the oopsies. ;)
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Postby Razgriskm » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:42 am

The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Razgriskm wrote:
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The representative of Razgriskm takes a pull of smoke from the cigarette held in his black gloved hand. Letting out a puff he says. "Like what was said before. I highly doubt any of the weakwilled member states of the world assembly would send booby trapped aid. Nor would Razgriskm, this is a waste of time and resources for something none of your member states would even consider without feinting from the prospect of violence." He puts out the smoking cigarette on the desk. "Razgriskm's consideration with the world assembly is disappearing."


Tislam, noting that the Razgriskmian delegate has returned, quickly flies over to him and gives him a measured buck to the head, aiming to knock him out before cuffing his arms and legs together and carrying him off. "I warned them."

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How does a pony even carry cuffs Image And what's up with that powergame :(

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:43 am

Razgriskm wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:
Tislam, noting that the Razgriskmian delegate has returned, quickly flies over to him and gives him a measured buck to the head, aiming to knock him out before cuffing his arms and legs together and carrying him off. "I warned them."

OOC: For refrence.


How does a pony even carry cuffs Image And what's up with that powergame :(

Could you please bring it back to this proposal?

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Postby Mousebumples » Sun Jan 31, 2016 9:15 pm

The Candy Of Bottles wrote:Tislam, noting that the Razgriskmian delegate has returned, quickly flies over to him and gives him a measured buck to the head, aiming to knock him out before cuffing his arms and legs together and carrying him off. "I warned them."

OOC: For refrence.

Razgriskm wrote:How does a pony even carry cuffs (Image) And what's up with that powergame :(


While off-topic RP does have it's place in the General Assembly halls, let's try to keep it to the Stranger's Bar or the occasional post while a resolution is At Vote, rather than disrupting a proposal's drafting thread, shall we?

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:16 am

I am curious as to why we are still discussing this subject. Why are we attempting to ban something that is already banned?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:54 am

The Silver Sentinel wrote:I am curious as to why we are still discussing this subject. Why are we attempting to ban something that is already banned?

It was discarded for category, not duplication. Where's the proof?

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 08, 2016 1:19 am

Any opposition to the choice of International Security given the third clause?

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:02 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Any opposition to the choice of International Security given the third clause?

Opposed in general as GAR #2 already prohibits the usage of duplicitous aid on the grounds it is likely to foment internal strife, and I will file a GHR to challenge on those grounds. Your call if you want to roll the bones on that gamble.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:04 am

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Any opposition to the choice of International Security given the third clause?

Opposed in general as GAR #2 already prohibits the usage of duplicitous aid on the grounds it is likely to foment internal strife, and I will file a GHR to challenge on those grounds. Your call if you want to roll the bones on that gamble.

It would be rejected as 2 GA states:

'Article 6 § Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife.'

This deals with private organisations.

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:20 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Opposed in general as GAR #2 already prohibits the usage of duplicitous aid on the grounds it is likely to foment internal strife, and I will file a GHR to challenge on those grounds. Your call if you want to roll the bones on that gamble.

It would be rejected as 2 GA states:

'Article 6 § Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife.'

This deals with private organisations.

Precisely. " Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife", seems to duplicate "Prohibits the manufacture, transfer, or distribution of booby-trapped aid by any person or organisation within a member nation's jurisdiction; and "Encourages member nations to inspect for, and if necessary disarm, booby traps within aid packages prior to their delivery." Nations are already required by GAR #2 to ensure that civil strife is not fomented which makes this whole issue duplicative. If an private organization is shipping international aid they are more than likely doing it on behalf of a national government under reasonable nation theory. What possible reason could a private organization have to ship booby-trapped aid anyway? Is UNICEF now shipping sarin laced bread to the starving kids? Either way, if you want to get a ruling to make sure it doesn't contradict Article 6 of Rights and Duties, that is your prerogative, but if you go gung-ho with this without that ruling, I will file a GHR on those grounds. The gamble is really up to you....

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:31 am

The Silver Sentinel wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:It would be rejected as 2 GA states:

'Article 6 § Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife.'

This deals with private organisations.

Precisely. " Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife", seems to duplicate "Prohibits the manufacture, transfer, or distribution of booby-trapped aid by any person or organisation within a member nation's jurisdiction; and "Encourages member nations to inspect for, and if necessary disarm, booby traps within aid packages prior to their delivery." Nations are already required by GAR #2 to ensure that civil strife is not fomented which makes this whole issue duplicative.

Which would then rule WA Counterterrorism Act and Radiological Terrorism duplicatory.

The Silver Sentinel wrote:If an private organization is shipping international aid they are more than likely doing it on behalf of a national government under reasonable nation theory. What possible reason could a private organization have to ship booby-trapped aid anyway? Is UNICEF now shipping sarin laced bread to the starving kids?

Currently, there are no laws against a rebel organisation based in another country from shipping 'aid' which is laced with toxins someplace else.

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Postby The union8181 » Mon Feb 08, 2016 3:59 am

I would not mind to see this bill go forward and be debated and votes upon. But can I recommend. That there needs to be more guidelines upon what can be inspected upon arrival as well does this cover port laws as well?

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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Mon Feb 08, 2016 4:40 am

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:Precisely. " Every WA Member State has the duty to refrain from fomenting civil strife in the territory of another NationState, and to prevent the organization within its territory of activities calculated to foment such civil strife", seems to duplicate "Prohibits the manufacture, transfer, or distribution of booby-trapped aid by any person or organisation within a member nation's jurisdiction; and "Encourages member nations to inspect for, and if necessary disarm, booby traps within aid packages prior to their delivery." Nations are already required by GAR #2 to ensure that civil strife is not fomented which makes this whole issue duplicative.

Which would then rule WA Counterterrorism Act and Radiological Terrorism duplicatory.

Quite possibly, but they are already WA law, and this is not.

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
The Silver Sentinel wrote:If an private organization is shipping international aid they are more than likely doing it on behalf of a national government under reasonable nation theory. What possible reason could a private organization have to ship booby-trapped aid anyway? Is UNICEF now shipping sarin laced bread to the starving kids?

Currently, there are no laws against a rebel organisation based in another country from shipping 'aid' which is laced with toxins someplace else.

Which would be an act of terrorism and dealt with under the WA Counter Terrorism Act as seen here:

A) DEFINES “terrorism” as the use of violence by non-state actors for the purpose of creating fear or terror, to achieve a social, political, or religious outcome, and either committed with deliberate disregard or specific targeting of civilians or non-combatants.


1) REQUIRES member states to take all effective measures at their disposal, subject to the rule of law, to prevent non-state actors from using their territory to commit terrorist acts against another nation.
(a)This shall include, but not be limited to, making it a criminal offense to conspire, aid, abet, fund, plan or carry out acts of terrorism across international borders. Member states shall prosecute those who violate such laws to the fullest extent possible within their nation.

2) BANS WA member states from providing funding, weapons, or any other form of assistance to any party committing terrorist acts against another nation, or from using other WA states or non-member states as a third party to conduct terrorist acts against another nation.

3) REQUIRES member states to freeze, or otherwise take control of without undue delay, any and all assets of terrorist individuals or organizations within their jurisdiction which may be used to support international terrorist acts, including but not limited to: equipment, facilities, and funds.


I really must thank you for jogging my memory on the WA Counter Terrorism Act. I had completely forgotten about that one. It will make it far easier to challenge this one on duplication of that, than to challenge it on duplication of GAR #2 and the Chemical Weapons Accord.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:50 am

If you're going to submit this again, please actually make sure that it is legal.
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