[DRAFT] Booby-Trapped Aid Ban

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: The title has been changed, though, if a certain title were released into the public domain, I would be happy to say 'Challenge Accepted'.

Parsons: Are there any remaining concerns on the category?

[Wrapper]

OOC: The title has been changed, though, if a certain title were released into the public domain, I would be happy to say 'Challenge Accepted'.

Parsons: Are there any remaining concerns on the category?

(Wad Ahume reads the third clause, and gives Parsons a thumbs-up.)

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"I suggest the final word of Clause 3 be changed from 'borders' to 'jurisdiction' or 'effective area of control.' This will extend the mandate to one of its most important possible locales, territory occupied in time of war."

[Araraukar]

OOC: The title has been changed, though

Booby-Trapped Aid Ban

No contest on the category with current wording.

[Wallenburg]

OOC: The title has been changed, though, if a certain title were released into the public domain, I would be happy to say 'Challenge Accepted'.

Parsons: Are there any remaining concerns on the category?

Fresh, exciting title, sir. Revolutionary, even. Member states will recall this historic revision for generations to come.

[Demostopia]

Im curious have booby-trapped Aid been use IRL or is it just some arse-hole blowing up starying kids on NS

[Wallenburg]

Im curious have booby-trapped Aid been use IRL or is it just some arse-hole blowing up starying kids on NS

Real life is irrelevant to this or any proposal. Besides, I have already expressed that many nations--including Wallenburg--are not above using duplicitous aid.

[We Couldnt Agree On A Name]

Im curious have booby-trapped Aid been use IRL or is it just some arse-hole blowing up starying kids on NS

OOC: I don't see how it matters. Booby trapping humanitarian aid is surely illegal IRL. So even if it doesn't happen anymore that could just be because it's been banned.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I feel that the new clause 3 is too derivative of clause 2. Currently, it says 'Requires member nations prevent both the transfer or distribution of duplicitous aid within a member nation's jurisdiction'. Would not it effect the same function if it were changed to 'Requires member nations to enforce the above provision in good faith' or something of the like?

Or, more riskily, would it not effect the same function if it were removed, since the second clause would require, in conjunction with 2 GA, that police and military budgets are raised for enforcement? That would allow a return to the original text.

[Excidium Planetis]

I feel that the new clause 3 is too derivative of clause 2. Currently, it says 'Requires member nations prevent both the transfer or distribution of duplicitous aid within a member nation's jurisdiction'. Would not it effect the same function if it were changed to 'Requires member nations to enforce the above provision in good faith' or something of the like?

Or, more riskily, would it not effect the same function if it were removed, since the second clause would require, in conjunction with 2 GA, that police and military budgets are raised for enforcement? That would allow a return to the original text.

"The recommended change in wording to 'Requires Members to enforce the above provision in good faith' seems acceptable."

[Imperium Anglorum]

I feel that the new clause 3 is too derivative of clause 2. Currently, it says 'Requires member nations prevent both the transfer or distribution of duplicitous aid within a member nation's jurisdiction'. Would not it effect the same function if it were changed to 'Requires member nations to enforce the above provision in good faith' or something of the like?

Or, more riskily, would it not effect the same function if it were removed, since the second clause would require, in conjunction with 2 GA, that police and military budgets are raised for enforcement? That would allow a return to the original text.

"The recommended change in wording to 'Requires Members to enforce the above provision in good faith' seems acceptable."

The issue is that I've always felt that such clauses are entirely irrelevant. 2 GA already requires that provisions be enforced in good faith.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Okay. I've done some more copyediting. Is there anything else that anyone is concerned about? I will be submitting this tomorrow, I feel.

[EDIT] Would be very open to suggestions pertaining to whether clause 3 can be removed without causing a category violation.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

OOC: I know you're into the whole brevity thing, but if you're worried about category with this as short as it is, you might consider adding a mandate that nations cooperate with and assist each others' investigations into the origins and manufacturers/saboteurs of duplicitous aid. It can stand without it, but you have a lot of room to make this thing sparkle, effectiveness-wise.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: I know you're into the whole brevity thing, but if you're worried about category with this as short as it is, you might consider adding a mandate that nations cooperate with and assist each others' investigations into the origins and manufacturers/saboteurs of duplicitous aid. It can stand without it, but you have a lot of room to make this thing sparkle, effectiveness-wise.

Done.

[Araraukar]

Okay. I've done some more copyediting. Is there anything else that anyone is concerned about? I will be submitting this tomorrow, I feel.

OOC: The title has been changed, though

So howabout actually changing the title to match the text, now? You said you'd done it, but never did. Title speaks of booby-trapped aid, text speaks of duplicitous aid. Technically they're not necessarily the same thing - something can be duplicitous without being booby-trapped. (OOC: Think of difference between sending spoiled goods as food aid, compared to sending food deliberately laced with toxin-forming bacteria.)

Adjective

duplicitous ‎
* Given to or marked by deliberate deceptiveness in behavior or speech.

Synonyms
* deceitful, double-dealing, two-faced

Noun

booby-trap
* (military) An antipersonnel device deliberately hidden or disguised as a harmless object

[Vancouvia]

So "duplicitous aid"? That's aid you find in a duplex, right

[Araraukar]

So "duplicitous aid"? That's aid you find in a duplex, right

OOC: See my post above for dictionary definitions.

[Imperium Anglorum]

So howabout actually changing the title to match the text, now? You said you'd done it, but never did. Title speaks of booby-trapped aid, text speaks of duplicitous aid. Technically they're not necessarily the same thing - something can be duplicitous without being booby-trapped. [size=85](OOC: Think of difference between sending spoiled goods as food aid, compared to sending food deliberately laced with toxin-forming bacteria.)

Given that I define 'duplicitous aid' as what booby-trapped aid would be, given the common layman's term, along with a possible plagiarism challenge given a change to that title, I don't think any change is necessary.

[The Silver Sentinel]

So howabout actually changing the title to match the text, now? You said you'd done it, but never did. Title speaks of booby-trapped aid, text speaks of duplicitous aid. Technically they're not necessarily the same thing - something can be duplicitous without being booby-trapped. [size=85](OOC: Think of difference between sending spoiled goods as food aid, compared to sending food deliberately laced with toxin-forming bacteria.)

Given that I define 'duplicitous aid' as what booby-trapped aid would be, given the common layman's term, along with a possible plagiarism challenge given a change to that title, I don't think any change is necessary.

Because the title isn't quite duplicitous enough right? You do realize not all voters are morons correct? Most people are perfectly capable of reading a proposal and making up their own minds without having a nice warm feeling title.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Forth Erolingas!

[Mousebumples]

This is not intended as a ruling, but from my personal opinion the biggest thing holding the previous proposal back from fitting under "Moral Decency" was that it seemed to be more targeted as restricting the action of governments/militaries - since most large "humanitarian aid" comes from governments or extra-governmental groups. Moral Decency is about restricting the civil rights of individuals, which didn't seem to come into play.

I also don't know if this really fits under "Global Disarmament" as it's not really involved with "slashing military spending." I think your choice of "International Security" is probably the best fit; however, where is the clause in your text that results in the "boosting of police and military budgets" ?

It may be worth adding a clause along the lines of "Encourages member nations to have their law enforcement branches check aid shipments for booby traps within aid packages prior to delivery to another nation or group." That would make it clear that your resolution is increasing police/military budgets at least a small amount, which should fit with a Mild-strength proposal.

[Imperium Anglorum]

I also don't know if this really fits under "Global Disarmament" as it's not really involved with "slashing military spending." I think your choice of "International Security" is probably the best fit; however, where is the clause in your text that results in the "boosting of police and military budgets" ?

Enforcement of clause 2 would require boosting police or military budgets.

[The Silver Sentinel]

This is not intended as a ruling, but from my personal opinion the biggest thing holding the previous proposal back from fitting under "Moral Decency" was that it seemed to be more targeted as restricting the action of governments/militaries - since most large "humanitarian aid" comes from governments or extra-governmental groups. Moral Decency is about restricting the civil rights of individuals, which didn't seem to come into play.

I also don't know if this really fits under "Global Disarmament" as it's not really involved with "slashing military spending." I think your choice of "International Security" is probably the best fit; however, where is the clause in your text that results in the "boosting of police and military budgets" ?

It may be worth adding a clause along the lines of "Encourages member nations to have their law enforcement branches check aid shipments for booby traps within aid packages prior to delivery to another nation or group." That would make it clear that your resolution is increasing police/military budgets at least a small amount, which should fit with a Mild-strength proposal.

Too late Mouse. Apparently this is such an international emergency that IA needed to submit is as soon as possible.

[The Doomed Planet of Tollana]

This is not intended as a ruling, but from my personal opinion the biggest thing holding the previous proposal back from fitting under "Moral Decency" was that it seemed to be more targeted as restricting the action of governments/militaries - since most large "humanitarian aid" comes from governments or extra-governmental groups. Moral Decency is about restricting the civil rights of individuals, which didn't seem to come into play.

I also don't know if this really fits under "Global Disarmament" as it's not really involved with "slashing military spending." I think your choice of "International Security" is probably the best fit; however, where is the clause in your text that results in the "boosting of police and military budgets" ?

It may be worth adding a clause along the lines of "Encourages member nations to have their law enforcement branches check aid shipments for booby traps within aid packages prior to delivery to another nation or group." That would make it clear that your resolution is increasing police/military budgets at least a small amount, which should fit with a Mild-strength proposal.

3. Encourages member nations to cooperate in deterring and determining the source of duplicitous aid.

Determent and determination of sources would involve at least some level of enforcement, and the cost of that enforcement would be consistent with a "mild" resolution.

Will approve as soon as I switch to my main.

[Araraukar]

Too late Mouse. Apparently this is such an international emergency that IA needed to submit is as soon as possible.

OOC: UFoC, you want to do GHR based on category fail? You seem to have some insider knowledge of the mod hivemind's workings.

IA, I'm sorry, but your clause 2 just changes nations' laws to ban it, it doesn't make them spend any money to do so, and 3 might be enough to raise police spending (detective work, basically), but I don't see it doing jack shit about military.