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[DRAFT] Cars Of The People Act.

Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:10 am

Cars For The People Act
Category: Advancement of Industry / Social Justice/ Free Trade|| Strength: Mild


The General Assembly,

KNOWING that the people of many nations don't have enough money to buy cars,

RECOGNIZING the importance of automotive transport,

UNDERSTANDING that the lack of private auto transport decreases personal freedom,

ACKNOWLEDGING that motoring can be a very profitable industry sector and stimulant,

DEFINING an automobile/car as a wheeled, self-powered motor vehicle used for transportation,

The World Assembly hereby:

MANDATES starting a project destined to design popular cars as a cooperation of willing member nations,

RECOMMENDS designing cars that most people would be able to afford, such as:
- an ultracheap microvan (small vehicle made for transporation of goods and people),
- a slightly more luxurious microvan ,
- a very cheap MPV (a vehicle more luxurious than a van built for the maximum interior space),
- a cheap MPV,
- an ultracheap van (vehicle built primarily for the transportation of goods and people),
- a very cheap van,
- a cheap van,
- an ultracheap light truck (a vehicle with off-road capabilities intended for work use),
- a very cheap light truck,
- and a cheap light truck
as a part of the project,

REQUIRES all the cars designed in the project to be licensed to nations that can't design cars themselves,

RECOMMENDS government-level support for the Cars For The People project,

CLARIFIES that this resolution does not mandate the production of cars in Member States that do not utilize cars,

PASSES the Cars For The People Act.


Feel free to modify this act and post your revision. If it is good enough, I will replace my version with it and write that you were the co-writer.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:24 am

Ambassador Olafsen frowns at this draft. Cars again?!

OOC: To anyone looking at this thread and thinking of replying - can you not reply? We have had critically bad bills from Petrolheadia for the past few weeks and posting on his drafts seems like a bad way to get him to change his ways and actually follow the GA rules as we have encouraged before. I would rather we actually avoid it to discourage the appearance of such stuff.

I would also be refraining from posting thereafter this message. Thanks.
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:25 am

Well. This is different.

Aside from the obvious issue with the monetary units you have specified -- we all have different currencies; ours is chewing gum, heh heh, long story -- why should we just give everyone a car? Also, our nation has five billion people, where in the universe are we going to get five billion cars, particularly when most people use other forms of public and private transportation?

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Postby Nouvelle o France » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:25 am

Why the hell should we fund the Automobile Industry ? And what of Public Transport ? And what of nation who either do not have access to the technology or have long since grew out of it ? Not to mention, WHY THE HELL SHOULD THIS BE AN INTERNATIONAL ISSUE !?!

Someone, please tell us this is illegal...
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:28 am

Elke and Elba wrote:OOC: To anyone looking at this thread and thinking of replying - can you not reply?

OOC: Eh, too late. Besides, some comment should be posted to show how ridiculous the concept is, lest someone else sees this and thinks, hey, that's an interesting idea.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:39 am

But I had a very good idea - to make cars that will make motoring more affordable.
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:46 am

Petrolheadia wrote:But I had a very good idea - to make cars that will make motoring more affordable.


For some nations this could be a fantastic idea. For others this could be a disaster. I see and understand what you are trying to do, but something such as this would be harmful to member states.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:47 am

The Sheika wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:But I had a very good idea - to make cars that will make motoring more affordable.


For some nations this could be a fantastic idea. For others this could be a disaster. I see and understand what you are trying to do, but something such as this would be harmful to member states.


Why "harmful"?
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:51 am

Petrolheadia wrote:But I had a very good idea - to make cars that will make motoring more affordable.

Well, we have a good idea too. We want to make sushi more affordable. Not enough people in this world can afford sushi, and besides, more sushi equals more personal freedom, and more sushi would be very profitable to the fishing industry. So, based on your logic, we should write international legislation on sushi. Maybe we'll call it "Sushi for Everyone".

Or not.

Does this make sense to you?

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Postby Nouvelle o France » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:55 am

Wrapper wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:But I had a very good idea - to make cars that will make motoring more affordable.

Well, we have a good idea too. We want to make sushi more affordable. Not enough people in this world can afford sushi, and besides, more sushi equals more personal freedom, and more sushi would be very profitable to the fishing industry. So, based on your logic, we should write international legislation on sushi. Maybe we'll call it "Sushi for Everyone".

Or not.

Does this make sense to you?


We'd actually be more willing to support sushi, as it is food, and is therefore an essential need for life.

This would still be a ridiculous idea though...
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:56 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Sheika wrote:
For some nations this could be a fantastic idea. For others this could be a disaster. I see and understand what you are trying to do, but something such as this would be harmful to member states.


Why "harmful"?


In Caracasus, cars are allocated from Caracasus Automobile Industries to citizens who require a car due to the nature of their work, or due to their private lives - where they live, disabilities or so on. As such, every citizen requiring an automobile has access to one. Cars are not purchased or "owned". This is due to both Caracasus's political ideology, based on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" and our concern for local environment.

Can you not see how this would have something of a negative effect on our society?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:02 am

Caracasus wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:
Why "harmful"?


In Caracasus, cars are allocated from Caracasus Automobile Industries to citizens who require a car due to the nature of their work, or due to their private lives - where they live, disabilities or so on. As such, every citizen requiring an automobile has access to one. Cars are not purchased or "owned". This is due to both Caracasus's political ideology, based on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" and our concern for local environment.

Can you not see how this would have something of a negative effect on our society?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that you think the government should decide who can own a car and who can't? I disagree with that. As cars are a non-malicious good when used properly, they should be able to be purchased by anyone who wants and can operate one.
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:07 am

Okay, here is an example. You want to make automobiles more affordable throughout the multiverse that is the World Assembly. What if there is a nation whose biggest industry is automobile manufacturing and the price of the car is based upon the price of labor and materials? What if said prices are well above what you have set with imaginary numbers? I say imaginary because each nation has their own currency. Back to my point, this proposal has the potential to cripple a nation that depends on automobile manufacturing.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:12 am

The Sheika wrote:Okay, here is an example. You want to make automobiles more affordable throughout the multiverse that is the World Assembly. What if there is a nation whose biggest industry is automobile manufacturing and the price of the car is based upon the price of labor and materials? What if said prices are well above what you have set with imaginary numbers? I say imaginary because each nation has their own currency. Back to my point, this proposal has the potential to cripple a nation that depends on automobile manufacturing.


The prices are in NSD. (OOC: They are based on real life car prices, so they aren't imaginary.). And these cars are not going to be very good or well-equipped.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:14 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
In Caracasus, cars are allocated from Caracasus Automobile Industries to citizens who require a car due to the nature of their work, or due to their private lives - where they live, disabilities or so on. As such, every citizen requiring an automobile has access to one. Cars are not purchased or "owned". This is due to both Caracasus's political ideology, based on the principle of "from each according to their ability, to each according to their need" and our concern for local environment.

Can you not see how this would have something of a negative effect on our society?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that you think the government should decide who can own a car and who can't? I disagree with that. As cars are a non-malicious good when used properly, they should be able to be purchased by anyone who wants and can operate one.


Indeed ambassador, as do the vast majority of nations to a greater or lesser degree through the issuing of driving licenses and so on. We also note that we have comparably fewer deaths due to dangerous driving than other nations.

However, this is not the point. Your resolution will damage and undermine our society for no reason. Ownership of automobiles does not constitute the vastly increased personal liberties that you feel it would.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:16 am

Caracasus wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean that you think the government should decide who can own a car and who can't? I disagree with that. As cars are a non-malicious good when used properly, they should be able to be purchased by anyone who wants and can operate one.


Indeed ambassador, as do the vast majority of nations to a greater or lesser degree through the issuing of driving licenses and so on. We also note that we have comparably fewer deaths due to dangerous driving than other nations.

However, this is not the point. Your resolution will damage and undermine our society for no reason. Ownership of automobiles does not constitute the vastly increased personal liberties that you feel it would.


Why? In a car you can choose your own route, starting and ending point. You can also control who gets into your car. And if you want to track your citizens, install GPS trackers in cars.
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:19 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The prices are in NSD. (OOC: They are based on real life car prices, so they aren't imaginary.). And these cars are not going to be very good or well-equipped.


Even using NSD, each nation has a currency that can be above or below that. For example, the exchange rate of the Federations Cubit is C$1 for every $1.174. You can use NSD all you want, but it has a different value for different countries. In regards to the cars not being very good or well equipped, did you happen to consider minimum safety standards set by each individual nation where applicable. I can say with certainty if they do not meet minimum safety standards, they will not be permitted in the Federation.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:21 am

The Sheika wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:
The prices are in NSD. (OOC: They are based on real life car prices, so they aren't imaginary.). And these cars are not going to be very good or well-equipped.


Even using NSD, each nation has a currency that can be above or below that. For example, the exchange rate of the Federations Cubit is C$1 for every $1.174. You can use NSD all you want, but it has a different value for different countries. In regards to the cars not being very good or well equipped, did you happen to consider minimum safety standards set by each individual nation where applicable. I can say with certainty if they do not meet minimum safety standards, they will not be permitted in the Federation.


But how much can the poor people of your nation spend on a car?
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:25 am

In my nation, the average income is C$125,996. There is not a vast difference between the richest and poorest; the richest citizen only makes a little over 3 times the poorest citizen. So I would say those who are not as well off could find something relatively affordable, and if not bought outright could be financed through monthly payments.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:29 am

The Sheika wrote:In my nation, the average income is C$125,996. There is not a vast difference between the richest and poorest; the richest citizen only makes a little over 3 times the poorest citizen. So I would say those who are not as well off could find something relatively affordable, and if not bought outright could be financed through monthly payments.


So they are too rich for the cars that project will make. They won't use them anywat, maybe except from the most expensive models, which should be pretty eco-friendly.
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Postby The Palentinate » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:29 am

"The Socialist Republic of the Palentinate has a sprawling automotive industry making this resolution a needless headache for us. Cars are tremendously cheap and of good quality. This resolution has the potential to put needless red tape on our industry. I suggest the way to get more support for a resolution regarding making automobiles cheaper would be by introducing a resolution opening up car markets. Expanding free trade seems to be very popular, yes? Of course being a socialist state we would still oppose a resolution expanding so called free trade as it puts power into the hands of big corporations rather than he people."
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:31 am

The Palentinate wrote:"The Socialist Republic of the Palentinate has a sprawling automotive industry making this resolution a needless headache for us. Cars are tremendously cheap and of good quality. This resolution has the potential to put needless red tape on our industry. I suggest the way to get more support for a resolution regarding making automobiles cheaper would be by introducing a resolution opening up car markets. Expanding free trade seems to be very popular, yes? Of course being a socialist state we would still oppose a resolution expanding so called free trade as it puts power into the hands of big corporations rather than he people."


Do you make cars under $17000? And I feel you would have been one of the people throwing rocks at Hondas in the 80s Detroit. The result of my plan would just be normal competition.
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Postby The Sheika » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:35 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Sheika wrote:In my nation, the average income is C$125,996. There is not a vast difference between the richest and poorest; the richest citizen only makes a little over 3 times the poorest citizen. So I would say those who are not as well off could find something relatively affordable, and if not bought outright could be financed through monthly payments.


So they are too rich for the cars that project will make. They won't use them anywat, maybe except from the most expensive models, which should be pretty eco-friendly.


The question remains why do you feel this is an issue for the General Assembly as opposed to each individual nation? This program has the potential to take control from nations who rely upon their automobile industry by placing cheaper and lesser quality vehicles upon their roadways.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:37 am

Ambassador, you have completely failed to address our concerns, or argue against the points we have made.
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Postby Mithos and Kolthas » Mon Oct 12, 2015 9:49 am

The Empire has no automobiles. We rely on public transportation for civilians, with all automobiles belonging to the State for official purposes. This resolution would force us to change our system, redesign entire cities, and put our State drivers at risk of non-official and unscheduled drivers. We will oppose this vigorously through our WA Offices. The minotaur's nostrils flared as he spoke. Please stop wasting our time with pointless automobile-centric micromanagement.

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