[PASSED] Repeal "Foreign Patent Recognition"

[Excidium Planetis]

I stand by the latter: only truly original ideas can still be patented. All the broad categories have been exhausted.

OOC: And thus the target resolution should be repealed as it doesn't really do anything of any signifigance.

Your Tollan tomatoes can be patented and protected internationally by the target resolution. So can many other original works. That's significant.

As Sciongrad argued, broad classes of technology, like radio transmission, that everyone would be expected to invent sooner or later, are probably closed off. Very specific inventions, like a new breed of tomato, or a particular flavor of soft drink, can still be protected by foreign patents.

[Sciongrad]

I stand by the latter: only truly original ideas can still be patented. All the broad categories have been exhausted.

OOC: And thus the target resolution should be repealed as it doesn't really do anything of any signifigance.

(When I referred to your FTL drive and "let's pretend the claim is real" I meant that with IDIC and all that, someone else might look at what you have and say "we're using the same drive ED is using" and they basically could, because while copying off of another player's roleplay is bad manners, we can't exactly prevent it.

I didn't mean I thought you were lying.)

OOC: No, it isn't. To argue that some nation has discovered every single thing that can ever possibly be discovered is tech wank. The WA has never acknowledged outliers in the past, I have no idea why we should start now.

[Wallenburg]

"We have made several changes to the draft, and intend to submit it soon."

[States of Glory WA Office]

Neville stares at the draft closely before looking at...whoever is representing Wallenburg this time around. Gerald? Ogenbond? He could never figure out who to address.

Neville: "We'd like to inquire about this clause:

Disappointed that this resolution seeks to impose national law beyond its jurisdiction into other nations, compelling nations to recognize the legal power of contracts made in foreign nations;

"Just to be clear, by 'contracts', are you referring to all the paperwork associated with the patent?"

[Wallenburg]

Neville stares at the draft closely before looking at...whoever is representing Wallenburg this time around. Gerald? Ogenbond? He could never figure out who to address.

OOC: Ogenbond is the Chief Representative. Gerald debates on his behalf when Ogenbond is not available.

Neville: "We'd like to inquire about this clause:

Disappointed that this resolution seeks to impose national law beyond its jurisdiction into other nations, compelling nations to recognize the legal power of contracts made in foreign nations;

"Just to be clear, by 'contracts', are you referring to all the paperwork associated with the patent?"

"Indeed we are. We shall tweak this clause to make that somewhat clearer."

[States of Glory WA Office]

Neville stares at the draft closely before looking at...whoever is representing Wallenburg this time around. Gerald? Ogenbond? He could never figure out who to address.

OOC: Ogenbond is the Chief Representative. Gerald debates on his behalf when Ogenbond is not available.

OOC: Right. Who is representing Wallenburg right now?

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Ogenbond is the Chief Representative. Gerald debates on his behalf when Ogenbond is not available.

OOC: Right. Who is representing Wallenburg right now?

OOC: Ogenbond.

[Araraukar]

OOC: Right. Who is representing Wallenburg right now?

OOC: Ogenbond.

OOC: I thought your guys were busy with the murder-or-suicide thing?

[Wallenburg]

OOC: Ogenbond.

OOC: I thought your guys were busy with the murder-or-suicide thing?

OOC: Sure, but work goes on!

[Wallenburg]

"This proposal has been submitted."

[Imperium Anglorum]

"This proposal has been submitted."

Topic title tag?

[Wallenburg]

"This proposal has been submitted."

Topic title tag?

OOC: That's odd, I had already edited the title...

[Tinfect]

"This proposal has been submitted."

OOC:
Are you planning on running a campaign for this, or are you already? If not, I can set one up right quick, and put the rush on that replacement I've had rolling around for a while now.*

*I'll be doing the latter of those anyhow most likely.

[Wallenburg]

"This proposal has been submitted."

OOC:
Are you planning on running a campaign for this, or are you already? If not, I can set one up right quick, and put the rush on that replacement I've had rolling around for a while now.*

*I'll be doing the latter of those anyhow most likely.

OOC: I have a campaign script running, currently with 419 successful deliveries.

[Europe and Oceania]

We approved this.

[Christian Democrats]

AGAINST

This repeal proposal contradicts itself. It can't even make up its mind if it supports or opposes patents. It expresses its support for "legislation on the issue of patent rights and intellectual property" but then criticizes the original resolution for violating certain "economic philosophies" that deny property rights (i.e., communism). Afterwards, it claims that Foreign Patent Recognition "needlessly reduces economic freedoms and limits property rights," which is the exact opposite of what it does. We suspect that no replacement legislation is intended.

[Wallenburg]

This repeal proposal contradicts itself. It can't even make up its mind if it supports or opposes patents.

Does it need to do either? Why can't it remain neutral?

It expresses its support for "legislation on the issue of patent rights and intellectual property" but then criticizes the original resolution for violating certain "economic philosophies" that deny property rights (i.e., communism).

Relevance? That is not self-contradictory.

Afterwards, it claims that Foreign Patent Recognition "needlessly reduces economic freedoms and limits property rights," which is the exact opposite of what it does.

Untrue. The target resolution severely violates the concept of intellectual property, despite its efforts to do otherwise.

We suspect that no replacement legislation is intended.

If I recall correctly, Tinfect had something in the works. I was also considering a replacement myself, although I'm not sure where to go with it.

[Christian Democrats]

This repeal proposal contradicts itself. It can't even make up its mind if it supports or opposes patents.

Does it need to do either? Why can't it remain neutral?

Crime and Punishment is a resolution that requires member states to limit capital punishment to "the gravest and most serious of offenses." Now, imagine if a nation tried to repeal that resolution by claiming simultaneously that the death penalty should be abolished because it is gravely immoral and also that Crime and Punishment is flawed because it infringes on the "ideological rights" of governments to execute their criminals for any reasons that they see fit. You'd call this proposal illogical, would you not?

[Wallenburg]

Does it need to do either? Why can't it remain neutral?

Crime and Punishment is a resolution that requires member states to limit capital punishment to "the gravest and most serious of offenses." Now, imagine if a nation tried to repeal that resolution by claiming simultaneously that the death penalty should be abolished because it is gravely immoral and also that Crime and Punishment is flawed because it infringes on the "ideological rights" of governments to execute their criminals for any reasons that they see fit. You'd call this proposal illogical, would you not?

I would. Good thing that in no way resembles the argument I have made here.

[Tinfect]

If I recall correctly, Tinfect had something in the works. I was also considering a replacement myself, although I'm not sure where to go with it.

OOC:
As it happens, I'm writing it up right now. Transferring it from loose notes to something I am willing to let people read can be difficult when you've been running around all day and would very much like to go to sleep.

Crime and Punishment is a resolution that requires member states to limit capital punishment to "the gravest and most serious of offenses." Now, imagine if a nation tried to repeal that resolution by claiming simultaneously that the death penalty should be abolished because it is gravely immoral and also that Crime and Punishment is flawed because it infringes on the "ideological rights" of governments to execute their criminals for any reasons that they see fit. You'd call this proposal illogical, would you not?

Okay, come on now. A Repeal can criticize resolutions for their successes and their failures. If a Resolution intended to ban, say, freedom of speech, and somehow managed to not prohibit it if you were shouting, its all fair game, regardless of whether or not its a consistent viewpoint on behalf of the repeal.

[Morteuphoria]

I plan on voting for this repeal/resolution, and I have already told my region that it is up for vote next and urged them to vote FOR it. Hopefully that will help. Just wanted to publicly declare my support for this resolution. I think it should pass easily.

[States of Glory WA Office]

Neville: "We'd like to inquire about this clause:
"Just to be clear, by 'contracts', are you referring to all the paperwork associated with the patent?"

"Indeed we are. We shall tweak this clause to make that somewhat clearer."

Neville: We are disappointed that you haven't done this, Ambassador Ogenbond. We will still vote for, but it'll be a bit of a reluctant vote.

Rowan: I totally support this repeal. The World Assembly should just, like, abolish patents. They oppress the little people, man!

[Wallenburg]

"Indeed we are. We shall tweak this clause to make that somewhat clearer."

Neville: We are disappointed that you haven't done this, Ambassador Ogenbond. We will still vote for, but it'll be a bit of a reluctant vote.

"Oh, terribly sorry! It appears that my secretary has not updated this copy of the proposal to match the one submitted and about to go to Vote. I have now translated the changes over to this proposal as well:"

Disappointed that this resolution seeks to impose national law beyond its jurisdiction into other nations, compelling nations to recognize the legal power of patent agreements made in foreign nations;

[States of Glory WA Office]

Neville: We are disappointed that you haven't done this, Ambassador Ogenbond. We will still vote for, but it'll be a bit of a reluctant vote.

"Oh, terribly sorry! It appears that my secretary has not updated this copy of the proposal to match the one submitted and about to go to Vote. I have now translated the changes over to this proposal as well:"

Disappointed that this resolution seeks to impose national law beyond its jurisdiction into other nations, compelling nations to recognize the legal power of patent agreements made in foreign nations;

Neville: Whoops! Really should have checked the queue. (laughs nervously) Full support.

[Wallenburg]

"This resolution is now at vote."