Nation States Space Program

[Librenation]

I have been making a reiteration of the World Space Association and I am wondering what your options are and what should be changed or fixed. Here it is:

This is a reiteration of Resolution #336
NOTING the interest that humanity has of exploring space.

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore and share research on the universe.

REALISING that there are already functioning space programs with their own regulations.

FURTHER REALIZING the safety risks space travel creates.

DEMANDING the member states to follow safety regulations that the N.S.S.P sets.

REGULATING MEMBER STATES FROM:
i. Using nuclear weapons in space.

ii. Force any harm on intergalactic species if they are found to be harmless.

COMMISSIONING the N.S.S.P to:
i. Set safety regulations for space travel.

ii. Train astronauts to explore the universe.

iii. Build spacecraft(s).

iv. Perform space research and development.

v. Perform missions of exploration throughout the universe.

vi. Create space travel bylaws and policies.

FORBIDDING the N.S.S.P to:
i. Create, maintain or assemble a military.

ii. Form or Maintain a space or planetary police force.

iii. Take apart functioning space programs that came before the N.S.S.P.

FUNDING the N.S.S.P will come from the WA Fund and Voluntary Contributions from the Member States.

The World Assembly hereby Establishes the "Nation States Space Program" herein referred to as "N.S.S.P"

[Separatist Peoples]

"Was this just a rip of of that nightmare WSA shit? That mess got Deathstar'd from orbit, why would you actually try to replace it?"

[Librenation]

Because I believe it was a good idea with the wrong wording.

[Tinfect]

I have been making a reiteration of the World Space Association and I am wondering what your options are and what should be changed or fixed. Here it is:

OOC:
Here we go again...

IC:

RECOGNIZING the need for cooperation between member states to explore and share research on the universe.

"Ambassador, there is no such need, and the Imperium will not be sharing information with potential enemies."

DEMANDING the member states to follow safety regulations that the N.S.S.P sets.

"Would you deign to explain that Acronym, Ambassador?"

i. Using nuclear weapons in space.

"I know a certain Ambassador who will take exception with that, beyond the obvious ignorance expressed in that statement. In short, for many nations Nuclear Weapons are the only practical method of warfare in space."

Force any harm on intergalactic species if they are found to be harmless.

"Absolutely not. The World Assembly already has restrictions on Genocide, and the Imperium will not stand for the sheer naivety expressed in this statement."

i. Set safety regulations for space travel.

"And, what, exactly, Ambassador, will these regulations entail?"

ii. Train astronauts to explore the universe.
iii. Build spacecraft(s).
iv. Perform space research and development.
v. Perform missions of exploration throughout the universe.
vi. Create space travel bylaws and policies.

"Ripped directly from the World Space Administration. Our argument is the same."

The World Assembly hereby Establishes the "Nation States Space Program" herein referred to as "N.S.S.P"

"Er, "Nation States Space Program"? That's quite an odd choice of naming, I would suggest a better one, but I'd sooner see this burned."

[Varincia]

from reading it i got something that is unclear to me: where does the proposal stand on nations who are part of the program that are hostile towards one another? do they need to acknowledge that their nations will cooperate together?

[The Greater Dutch Republic]

You're a bit to late. The Greater Dutch Republic, the first member state of the United Terran Commonwealth, owns land on Luna, Ares, the Moons of Zeus, Hades, and various colonies throughout the Terran controlled territory of the Milky Way, and has an active military and several military installations and nuclear launch stations in space since the initiation of the Intergalactic War in 2626.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

"The problems of the WSA were not bullshit cosmetic concerns with 'wording.' That resolution was overbearing to a degree not found in any previous resolution to my knowledge. This draft repeats that gross, ill-conceived, fatal flaw. We will under no circumstances submit to any such One Agency to Rule Them All, in any area, let alone space travel. If you want to write a resolution on the topic of international cooperation in space, find some one small area where international cooperation would actually have a useful, measurably good effect, with limited repercussions and reach, and write from the bottom up to ensure that one area of cooperation and nothing further. Because this approach, like the WSA, is the space equivalent of saying 'Hey, let's make a World Ocean Directorate to regulate all sea travel and research, that all oceangoing nations must submit to, that will handle all oceanographic research and make laws for all oceangoing vessels, no matter their function, mission profile, purpose, or intent, because after all the best solution for all problems is just to create a gigantic bureaucratic monstrosity to be In Charge.'"

Steph examines the draft in front of her, gags, and pukes on it.

"That's it. I'm out."

[Auricium]

"I second that motion. In fact, I am offering the flamethrower. Although I do believe that some of the points mentioned earlier will be addressed here."

DEMANDING the member states to follow safety regulations that the N.S.S.P sets.

"Auricium can guarantee that no sovereign nation will follow the regulations set by any commission or administration resulting from this bill. This impedes on the sovereignty of all interstellar nations, and was one of the contested points that had ended in its downfall. As stated previously, what holds lesser advanced nations accountable to land and sea travel? I checked that there are no such regulations."

REGULATING MEMBER STATES FROM:
i. Using nuclear weapons in space.

"Nuclear weapons are obsolete in Auricium. That alone could stand as a testament to the power of technology in the hands of Interstellar nations, and the shortfalls of this resolution. Do you suggest we impose a ban on anti-matter, or gravity manipulators? And what of the nations that are not of this assembly? Are they regulated? No. In addition, what of the use of nuclear weapons on Terra? Perhaps you should prevent that, and see if you can regulate on an interstellar level, without impeding on the sovereignty of nations.

ii. Force any harm on intergalactic species if they are found to be harmless.

"I do find this repulsive- last time I checked, cows were harmless, so I suppose we can't kill cows. To us, they are intergalactic, so I suppose you can't kill cows either. That probably eliminates half of Terra's food source."

COMMISSIONING the N.S.S.P to:
i. Set safety regulations for space travel.

*Delegate smashed head against desk several times. Not with his head, of course. Most likely a construct.* "We all know where this went last time. Regulations on the safety of space travel is about as feasible as trying to stop the spread of the omniverse. This is overbearing, and oversteps the authority of the World Assembly. Nations should regulate themselves, and while I see that you believe safety regulations to be beneficial, that is ultimately up to the sovereign nation itself, than a multiversal assemblage of lesser advanced nations to decide.

Its not like the World Assembly regulates terrestrial travel, now does it? Perhaps we could draft up a bill to do such, regulate safety of cars and trains on Terra? I do suppose that would impeded on your sovereignty."

ii. Train astronauts to explore the universe.

iii. Build spacecraft(s).

iv. Perform space research and development.

v. Perform missions of exploration throughout the universe.

Somewhat reasonable, I have no qualms with this. However, Auricium will not share any technology with the unworthy.

vi. Create space travel bylaws and policies.

"We cannot support this. As a very advanced nation, setting space bylaws and policies, again, was analogised to be as feasible as stopping the creation of the omniverse. To create space travel bylaws and policies is inequitable, if you were to do this, to interstellar nations, then I suppose you should create land travel and air travel bylaws and policies as well. Such a policy, it lacks any credence- I see no benefits to it.

"Gravity manipulator please, I need to crush this resolution."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I plan on vigorously opposing any resolution that presumes to establish an international space program that actively participates in coerced cooperation. At least my draft only focused on preventing collisions."

[Grays Harbor]

Decorum prohibits us from responding to this as we wish we could, so suffice to say we believe this attempt to once again force a one size fits nobody space decree upon us all is, at best, misguided.

[Auricium]

"Yes. I agree. Someone hasn't passed me my gravity manipulator. What ever happened to that draft? I believed it was stalled, or something. It is now lost to the Imperial Archives, which noone really checks.

Can we pass that instead? Minus anything that approaches the word "regulation"?"

"Auricium is an independent and sovereign collection of two superclusters! I suppose you are going to claim sovereignty over my nation when I inevitably deny your request for cooperation? Or when I refuse to enact the no doubt obsolete regulations that will impede on my sovereignty?"mostly an f7 stat, but I felt that it would be appropriate in this case

[Tinfect]

"Auricium is an independent and sovereign collection of two superclusters! I suppose you are going to claim sovereignty over my nation when I inevitably deny your request for cooperation? Or when I refuse to enact the no doubt obsolete regulations that will impede on my sovereignty?"mostly an f7 stat, but I felt that it would be appropriate in this case

"Now, Ambassador, while I agree that the proposed draft is abysmal, perhaps we should give the author a chance to respond, if only to officially drop this attempt."

[Separatist Peoples]

"I haven't seen this much vitriol in a debate room since the WSA repeal. Can we just put down this abortion of a concept? Please," Bell asks, excitedly fondling the holster of his service pistol and longengly staring at the bill. "Just a little killing, I promise. I'll be extra careful about it!"

"Now, Ambassador, while I agree that the proposed draft is abysmal, perhaps we should give the author a chance to respond, if only to officially drop this attempt."

"But I don't want to!!"

[Auricium]

"As you wish. It is truly unfortunate that we cannot pass a resolution barring reiterations of ones such as this. Do you want my Gravity Manipulator instead? You can suck it into oblivion."

"And I will give them time to respond. So, were all advanced here?"

[Librenation]

I have made a second draft that fixed some or all the problems addressed to me. I am considering it to be a Significant or small strength.

NOTING the interest nation's have of exploring space.

RECOGNIZING that nuclear energy is needed.

REALISING that there are already functioning space programs with their own regulations.

FURTHER REALIZING that some nations do not have the scientific advancements to travel space.

COMMISSIONING the N.S.S.P to:


i. Train astronauts to explore the universe.

ii. Build spacecraft(s).

iii. Perform space research and development.

iv. Perform missions of exploration throughout the universe.

v. Share discovery's that the N.S.S.P finds

FORBIDDING the N.S.S.P to:
i. Create, maintain or assemble a military.

ii. Form or Maintain a space or planetary police force.

iii. Take apart space programs

iv. Deny any nation or space program research that the
N.S.S.P has found.

FUNDING the N.S.S.P will come from Voluntary Contributions from the Member States.

The World Assembly hereby Establishes the "Nation States Space Program" herein referred to as "N.S.S.P"

[Tinfect]

"And I will give them time to respond. So, were all advanced here?"

"The Imperium, at least, is. I will admit to something of a lack of information regarding the CDSP, but the Imperium of Tinfect is in control of several dozen worlds."

I have made a second draft that fixed some or all the problems addressed to me. I am considering it to be a Significant or small strength.

"That is not the response I had hoped for."

RECOGNIZING that nuclear energy is needed.

"... It is a nice gesture, of course, but, how, exactly is that relevant to Interstellar Travel?"

FURTHER REALIZING that some nations do not have the scientific advancements to travel space.

"Grammatically cumbersome."

i. Train astronauts to explore the universe.
ii. Build spacecraft(s).
iii. Perform space research and development.
iv. Perform missions of exploration throughout the universe.
v. Share discovery's that the N.S.S.P finds

"Again, the Imperium finds no objections to this, other than that is a gross misappropriation of World Assembly Resources."

FORBIDDING the N.S.S.P to:
i. Create, maintain or assemble a military.
ii. Form or Maintain a space or planetary police force.

"Then I am certain you will not mind your Vessels being destroyed by any number of things, be it Pirates, or belligerent Nations. The Imperium, of course, will not allow any NSSP craft into the Imperial Territories.

The proposal is gutted with this, and is absolutely pointless in its current state.
To the others in the chamber, fire at will."

[Librenation]

I am surprised by your statement on the protection of the vessels that would be built by the NSSP, Because when security was not a big issue in the first draft and you said it is too weak in the second draft, What would you recommend I do? plus I did say nuclear weapons can be used so wouldn't that be used to protect the vessels?

[Kaboomlandia]

Complete plagiarism of WSA.

[Auricium]

If Auricium ever decided to attack such vessels, nuclear weapons would be absolutely pitiful defence. The second draft is undewhelming. The first draft, a reiteration of the horribly formed and passed WSA, and thankfully repealed, was overbearing, grossly overstepping the World Assembly's authority and jurisdiction. The second draft needs meaningful articles, other than a standard "research", it needs to do something, without overstepping its authority.

I have no suggestions other than this resolution should never be brought to quorum, and be withdrawn. If you do wish to pass something interstellar, so to speak, I suggest that you come up with more... original material, that does not repeat the shortfalls and mistakes of the previous resolution. As the previous one said, it was complete plagiarism. Now, it is fundamentally the same, with the most repulsive parts removed.

[Librenation]

Actually if you go to my first draft, I stated it is a reiteration and the second draft is almost nothing like the WSA.

[Librenation]

Tinfict your last statement would be useless because the program is too Research NEW parts of space and more about it.

[Kaboomlandia]

Actually if you go to my first draft, I stated it is a reiteration and the second draft is almost nothing like the WSA.

No, it's not. It's still plagiarized from Bitely's resolution.

Also, post the second draft in the OP and spoiler the first draft.

[Tinfect]

I am surprised by your statement on the protection of the vessels that would be built by the NSSP, Because when security was not a big issue in the first draft and you said it is too weak in the second draft, What would you recommend I do? plus I did say nuclear weapons can be used so wouldn't that be used to protect the vessels?

"Ambassador, the World Assembly already has legislation preventing the militarization of its assets, in the form of GAR 2. And your own proposal states that the NSSP may not form Military or police forces. Thus, your ships are defenseless, besides the point that most Interstellar Nations are far beyond simple nuclear weapons"

[Separatist Peoples]

"The Imperium, at least, is. I will admit to something of a lack of information regarding the CDSP, but the Imperium of Tinfect is in control of several dozen worlds."

"The C.D.S.P. has a significant military presence in our own orbit. We are confined to a single planet, and we are but one nation among many.

"This resolution is now in violation of the committee-only rule, as the Secretariat is currently enforcing it. None of this requires states to do anything, it just goes on about the NSSP. This is still just as bad as the WSA. You haven't given a single reason why the WA should be doing what member states are perfectly capable of doing."

[Atomic Utopia]

The ambassador read the first few lines of the proposal, his face filling with irritation until halfway through reading through it at which point he tossed it into an half sphere bin on his desk. He then began shouting into his microphone. The translator began to look increasingly distressed at what he said. Nonetheless the translator worked to provide an accurate translation.

"The USSAU ambassador states that... he would like to see the librenationian ambassador do an anatomically impossible act for even thinking about the concept of reviving the WSA... bids the honorable ambassador perdition for this utter... male bovine excrement... would like to inquire what the ambassador has been smoking... and needs a drink himself to drown out the memories of this."

The USSAU ambassador, having vented shouted in english across the WA floor. "And that section in the first draft about nuclear weapons, well I have something to show you."

The second half to the spherical container he had thrown the proposal in came in, carried by several guards. The thick metalic walls were designed to contain just about anything. Next came in a sphere around twenty centimeters in diameter. It fit snugly in the container with the paper. The two spheres were bolted together and a code was punched in. Shortly thereafter a muffled thud and a flash of light from the sincilator on the USSAU ambassadors desk signales success

"That was a F50-290 MK-2 type physics package in a MK-8 hazardous materials disposal containment. I belive that summs up my view on attempting to ban nuclear weapons in space herr ambassador.