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[PASSED]Civilian Aircraft Accord

Postby John Turner » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:07 am

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"Civilian Aircraft Accord"
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Category: International Security | Strength: Mild | Proposed by: John Turner


The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the transportation of civilians via air travel is not only vital to the international economy, but to the international community as a whole;

Realizing that command and control, and communication with civilian aircraft is vital to ensure the safety and security of those aircraft, particularly when those aircraft are in international airspace;

Concerned that some nations may intentionally avoid tracking or communicating with civilian aircraft originating from nations potentially hostile to them;

Believing it is the duty of all nations to protect the lives of innocent civilians no matter the current state of diplomacy between nations;

Thus resolving to enact a sensible policy that allows for the safe and secure operation of civilian aircraft, no matter the nation of origin;

The General Assembly hereby,

  1. Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft whether private or commercial not operating under the direction of a nation's military or engaging in national security-related activities;

  2. Requires member nations to provide at the minimum:

    1. Tracking and communication of any civilian aircraft within the detection and communication range of that nation,

    2. Meteorological information and inclement emergency warnings to civilian aircraft, and,

    3. Assistance to any civilian aircraft that declares itself to be in distress within the communication range of that nation;
  3. Urges member nations to ensure adequate security personnel are present on any civilian aircraft which is operating in or out of nations currently engaged in armed conflict, or where a credible threat to those aircraft is present;

  4. Forbids member nations from taking military action against civilian aircraft without first warning that aircraft and permitting that aircraft to comply with instructions;

  5. Confirming that nations shall have the sole sovereign rights and responsibilities to ensure pilots and crews are adequately trained and certified in the operation of their civilian aircraft;

  6. Leaves to the individual member state all authority regarding regulations pertaining to equipment or training in regards to the operation of civilian aircraft.

Co-Authored by: Separatist Peoples
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Postby The Holy Empire of Steel » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:20 pm

This sounds well and good Ambassador, but what about in wartime? Pardon me if I'm reading too far into this, but couldn't a hostile group simply disguise themselves as a civilian aircraft? The only way to fully determine the intent of a craft would be to demand personnel records of the craft, as you define a civilian craft as one without orders from a military. I'm not quite sure this could work..

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Postby John Turner » Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:37 pm

The Holy Empire of Steel wrote:This sounds well and good Ambassador, but what about in wartime? Pardon me if I'm reading too far into this, but couldn't a hostile group simply disguise themselves as a civilian aircraft? The only way to fully determine the intent of a craft would be to demand personnel records of the craft, as you define a civilian craft as one without orders from a military. I'm not quite sure this could work..


Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft whether private of commercial not operating under the direction of a nations military or engaging in military activities,


Members are required to comply with all WA resolutions in good faith, so no.
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OOC: John Turner? Have you used King yet? Im just curious, you're kind of at the bottom of the Liberal PM barrel.

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:25 pm

The main clause I see a problem with is Clause 6.
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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:49 pm

"Criticisms grammatical rather than substantive - with one exception, explained below. The intent and means of this seem straightforward and worth the vote. Suggested additions in blue, subtractions in red."

John Turner wrote:The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the transportation of of civilians via air travel is not only vital to the international economy but to the international community as a whole,

Realizing that command and control, and communication with civilian aircraft is are vital to ensure the safety and security of those aircraft, particularly when those aircraft are in international airspace,

Concerned that some nation may intentionally avoid tracking or communicating with with civilian aircraft originating from nations potentially hostile to them,

Believing it is the duty of all nations to protect the lives of innocent civilians no matter the current state of diplomacy between nations,

Thus resolving to enact a sensible policy that allows for the safe and secure operation of civilian aircraft, no matter the nation of origin,

The General Assembly hereby,

  1. Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft, whether private of or commercial, not operating under the direction of a nation's military or engaging in military activities,

  2. Requires member nations to provide at the minimum:

    1. Tracking and communication of any civilian aircraft within the detection and communication range of that nation,

    2. Provide i Information to civilian aircraft in regards to severe weather or potential threats to those aircraft,

    3. Provide a Assistance to any civilian aircraft within the communication range of that nation which which declares it is in distress

  3. Urges member nations to ensure adequate security personnel are present on any civilian aircraft which is operating in or out of nations currently engaged in armed conflict, or where a credible threat to those aircraft is present,

  4. Forbids member nations from taking military action against any civilian aircraft without first warning that aircraft and permitting that aircraft to comply with instructions,

  5. Confirming that nations shall have the sole sovereign rights and responsibilities to ensure pilots and crews are adequately trained and certified in the operation of their civilian aircraft,

  6. Prohibits the World Assembly from passing further regulations on the equipment or training in regards to the operation of civilian aircraft.

Co-Authored by: Separatist Peoples


"The orange clause seems to negate the possibility of targeting craft operated by a nation's technically 'civilian' intelligence services, to draw one possible example. It's clear we don't want to leave state-sponsored scientific research craft outside the protections of this resolution, but it's too much to expect a nation not to target its enemies' spook aircraft, even though they're technically not 'engaging in military activities.' We suggest changing this phrase to something like '...engaging in national security-related activities.' That would exclude both military and spy craft, while leaving truly civilian aircraft, even if government-operated, within the protected definition. Might add a public or state-sponsored bit to the phrasing 'whether private or commercial,' but that's your call."

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Postby John Turner » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:30 pm

Normlpeople wrote:OOC: John Turner? Have you used King yet? Im just curious, you're kind of at the bottom of the Liberal PM barrel.


OOC: Hey it could be worse. I could pull out Jean Chretien, or Paul Martin, or heaven forbid Stephanne Dion. I am not a big fan of King. Too conservative for my tastes.

Normlpeople wrote:IC: "I like it. Little more to say. I always love a good blocker, and this takes care of issues without extensive micromanagement. I urge immediate submission."


I do thank Her Cleverness for her resounding endorsement.

Kaboomlandia wrote:The main clause I see a problem with is Clause 6.


Are you going to elaborate or do I need to use one of my life lines Regis?

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"Criticisms grammatical rather than substantive - with one exception, explained below. The intent and means of this seem straightforward and worth the vote. Suggested additions in blue, subtractions in red."


The drafting department threw this together pretty fast, so there were bound to be some errors. I do thank you for pointing them out. We are still waiting for Ambassador Bell to get back from his fishing trip so he can make some adjustments.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"The orange clause seems to negate the possibility of targeting craft operated by a nation's technically 'civilian' intelligence services, to draw one possible example. It's clear we don't want to leave state-sponsored scientific research craft outside the protections of this resolution, but it's too much to expect a nation not to target its enemies' spook aircraft, even though they're technically not 'engaging in military activities.' We suggest changing this phrase to something like '...engaging in national security-related activities.' That would exclude both military and spy craft, while leaving truly civilian aircraft, even if government-operated, within the protected definition. Might add a public or state-sponsored bit to the phrasing 'whether private or commercial,' but that's your call."


That should be an easy fix.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Otherwise we like this just fine."


I thank you Ambassador.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:34 am

The problem with Clause 6 is that it may be illegal as a blocker. Last I checked, that rule is still in effect.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:42 am

The World Assembly,

Acknowledging the transportation of of civilians via air travel is not only vital to the international economy, but to the international community as a whole;

Realizing that command, control, and communication with civilian aircraft is vital to ensure the safety and security of those aircraft, particularly when those aircraft are in international airspace;

Concerned that some nation may intentionally avoid tracking or communicating with civilian aircraft originating from nations potentially hostile to them;

Believing it is the duty of all nations to protect the lives of innocent civilians no matter the current state of diplomacy between nations;

Thus resolving to enact a sensible policy that allows for the safe and secure operation of civilian aircraft, no matter the nation of origin;

The General Assembly hereby,


1. Defines civilian aircraft as aircraft, whether private of commercial, not operating under the direction of a nations military or engaging in military activities;

2. Requires member nations to provide, at the minimum:

    A. Tracking and communication of any civilian aircraft within the detection and communication range of that nation’s facilities,

    B. Provide meteorological information and inclement emergency warnings to civilian aircraft, and,

    C. Provide assistance to any civilian aircraft that declares itself to be in distress within the communication range of that nation;

3. Urges member nations to ensure adequate security personnel are present on any civilian aircraft which is operating in or out of nations currently engaged in armed conflict, or where a credible threat to those aircraft is present,

4. Forbids member nations from taking military action against civilian aircraft without first warning that aircraft and permitting that aircraft to comply with instructions;

5. Confirming that nations shall have the sole sovereign rights and responsibilities to ensure pilots and crews are adequately trained and certified in the operation of their civilian aircraft;

6. Leaves to the individual member state all authority regarding regulations pertaining to equipment or training in regards to the operation of civilian aircraft.



"My edits. Most of them are technical edits, such as the addition of commas or semicolons. A few involve rewording the clause to read more easily. The rewording of clause 6 will get around any perceived illegalities with the WA banning itself from legislating. By giving the authority to member states instead, the same result is achieved without any illegality."
Last edited by Separatist Peoples on Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:43 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Postby John Turner » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:30 am

Draft updated to reflect changes.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:31 pm

"Clause 1 is missing commas that keep it from being too run-onish, and uses "of" instead of "or"."

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Postby John Turner » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:37 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Clause 1 is missing commas that keep it from being too run-onish, and uses "of" instead of "or"."


Fixed.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Aug 29, 2015 4:58 am

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So civilian aircraft not engaged in military/spying missions would have a legal right of passage even when belonging to nations with which the one that they want to overfly is at war?
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Postby Whovian Tardisia » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:34 pm

John Turner wrote:Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft whether private of commercial not operating under the direction of a nation's military or engaging in engaging in national security-related activities;


Two typos in one clause, pointed out in red and struck. "of" should be replaced with "or"... I thought you said you fixed that?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:38 pm

Whovian Tardisia wrote:
John Turner wrote:Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft whether private of commercial not operating under the direction of a nation's military or engaging in engaging in national security-related activities;


Two typos in one clause, pointed out in red and struck. "of" should be replaced with "or"... I thought you said you fixed that?

OOC: They've been ID'd, but the OP hasn't gotten to fixing them just yet. Don't worry.

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Postby John Turner » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:27 pm

Bears Armed wrote::blink:
So civilian aircraft not engaged in military/spying missions would have a legal right of passage even when belonging to nations with which the one that they want to overfly is at war?


Where does it say they would have legal right of passage? Do they have legal right of passage right now? If not why would this resolution change that?

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John Turner wrote:Defines a civilian aircraft as an aircraft whether private of commercial not operating under the direction of a nation's military or engaging in engaging in national security-related activities;


Two typos in one clause, pointed out in red and struck. "of" should be replaced with "or"... I thought you said you fixed that?


Yes, yes.... Heaven forbid things are not taken care of as soon as the Whovian delegation wants them taken care of. It is fixed now. Do you have any actual legitimate concerns about the draft, other than a typo?
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John Turner wrote:Yes, yes.... Heaven forbid things are not taken care of as soon as the Whovian delegation wants them taken care of. It is fixed now. Do you have any actual legitimate concerns about the draft, other than a typo?

Yes, yes... Heaven forbid people don't do exactly what Canada wants them to do when Canada yells at people.

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Postby John Turner » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:08 pm

This has been sent to the floor to see what kind of support it gains.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:19 am

John Turner wrote:This has been sent to the floor to see what kind of support it gains.

Oh, I see. It isn't ridiculous to rush a proposal when YOU do it.

Either way, doesn't it violate the branding rule with the co-author footnote?
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Wallenburg wrote:Either way, doesn't it violate the branding rule with the co-author footnote?


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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:52 am

Tinfect wrote:
Wallenburg wrote:Either way, doesn't it violate the branding rule with the co-author footnote?


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Postby Wrapper » Thu Sep 03, 2015 7:16 am

We see nothing objectionable in this mild proposal. Has any campaigning been done? Because, it does seem to be gaining approvals at a pretty decent rate, and may come to vote in the coming day or two.

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Postby John Turner » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:09 am

Wrapper wrote:We see nothing objectionable in this mild proposal. Has any campaigning been done? Because, it does seem to be gaining approvals at a pretty decent rate, and may come to vote in the coming day or two.


Yes. I despise test runs, so I campaign for any proposal I send to the floor.
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Postby John Turner » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:18 pm

And we're voting. Thank you to all the delegates who made this possible.
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Postby Capetola XII » Thu Sep 03, 2015 9:53 pm

Capetola XII's air traffic controllers are overworked as it is; we have no room to take on responsibility of civilian aircraft moseying into our airspace.

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