[DEFEATED] Right to a Reasonable Income

[Railana]

We believe that a World Assembly mandate for a living wage would unnecessarily micromanage member states' economies. Certain forms of employment do not have sufficient economic value to justify a living wage. Some individuals do not require a living wage, receiving sufficient income from alternate sources. This proposal also does nothing to address poverty among the unemployed.

Would it not be more appropriate to require member nations to simply guarantee a minimum standard of living, allowing them to use whatever tools they deem fit (including mandating a living wage, if necessary) to accomplish this goal?

Joseph Fulton
Chief Ambassador, Railanan Mission to the World Assembly

[Wallenburg]

We believe that a World Assembly mandate for a living wage would unnecessarily micromanage member states' economies. Certain forms of employment do not have sufficient economic value to justify a living wage. Some individuals do not require a living wage, receiving sufficient income from alternate sources. This proposal also does nothing to address poverty among the unemployed.

Would it not be more appropriate to require member nations to simply guarantee a minimum standard of living, allowing them to use whatever tools they deem fit (including mandating a living wage, if necessary) to accomplish this goal?

Joseph Fulton
Chief Ambassador, Railanan Mission to the World Assembly

Most esteemed Ambassador:

I find your opposition to this draft--and in particular a mandate with regard to the living wage--laughable, as you are still drafting a proposal titled "Minimum Standard of Living Act", which demands member states ensure adequate living conditions almost exactly as this resolution does. I have already voiced my endorsement for your draft, but what is the difference between mandating a minimum standard of living and mandating a living wage minimum? I believe that this resolution would be more successful than yours, as it would bypass the need for extensive government relief, welfare, and workfare programs (or at least mitigate their responsibilities) and directly force employers to recognize the needs of their workers. "Right to a Reasonable Wage" allows for even greater economic progress with absolutely no effort by the national governments, except with regard to enforcing the law.

Thank you for your concern, but this draft will continue edition, and I plan to submit it soon. Good day and send my regards to your leaders.

HELEN TREVANYIKA
Wallenburgian Representative to the World Assembly

[Wallenburg]

I suppose I should have a mod check this before submitting it. Anyone know how to have that happen?

[John Turner]

I suppose I should have a mod check this before submitting it. Anyone know how to have that happen?

And they will tell you it is illegal for duplication, so don't bother.

[Wallenburg]

I suppose I should have a mod check this before submitting it. Anyone know how to have that happen?

And they will tell you it is illegal for duplication, so don't bother.

Thank you for your constructive criticism. Have you not seen the replacement draft for "Military Freedom Act"? Many repeals are intended to allow for better resolutions to replace the repealed ones.

Anyone who has something to say that is actually worth my time?

[Jarish Inyo]

This proposal isn't better then the resolution it is meant to replace.

[Wallenburg]

This proposal isn't better then the resolution it is meant to replace.

"Please explain."

[Jarish Inyo]

It basically mandates the same requirements as the resolution it is trying to replace. Both mandates that pay be enough for food, housing, utilities and transportation.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

It basically mandates the same requirements as the resolution it is trying to replace. Both mandates that pay be enough for food, housing, utilities and transportation.

"Apparently Ambassador Nameless is so virulently anti-WA that he is unaware that some nations do not treat every single repeal as a Steelinist repudiation of everything its target stood for, to be burned in effigy and redacted from all history books. Indeed, sir, you may be surprised to learn that some nations even vote against repeals based on their merit, rather than simply trying to destroy all international law. Make sure you're sitting down, now: some truly ridiculous countries even - the scandal! - try to restore the substance of the repealed resolution in a more palatable form later on!"

Exempts from any protections under this resolution:
...Incarcerated convicts not involved in a paying rehabilitation program;[/list]

"I'm afraid we're unable to support any replacement that incentivizes the use of slavery such as prison labor, as this undercuts the very idea of a reasonable wage: this type of exception makes it much harder for outfits that have to pay labor costs to win contracts over prisons that can grossly underbid them."

[Wallenburg]

Exempts from any protections under this resolution:
...Incarcerated convicts not involved in a paying rehabilitation program;[/list]

"I'm afraid we're unable to support any replacement that incentivizes the use of slavery such as prison labor, as this undercuts the very idea of a reasonable wage: this type of exception makes it much harder for outfits that have to pay labor costs to win contracts over prisons that can grossly underbid them."

I can see how this would be objectionable. I'll see what I can do to close the forced labor loophole.

[Jarish Inyo]

This isn't even a more palatable form of what was repealed. Especially since it mandates how many hours are full and part-time.

[Varincia]

Dear Ambassador,
We welcome any resolution that can ease our working class after a heavy blow that large industries taken away much of the working power away from the working class that shape our society.
However, we find that this resolution may prevent an industry from the capability of developing it on the count of budgets to its working class.
Perhaps it should be phrased in a way that encourage private sectors to go towards the working class rather than on their backs.

- Octavio Baskford

[Republic of the Cristo]

Actually, nobody has any right to any wage what so ever.

One receives a wage in exchange for doing work. This wage is agreed upon by the worker and the employer. This is often done based upon how hard the work is and how long it takes. Nobody has a right to a wage, because that takes the bargaining power away from the employer and the employee.

[Wallenburg]

This isn't even a more palatable form of what was repealed. Especially since it mandates how many hours are full and part-time.

"Only for the purposes of this resolution, dear Ambassador. Feel free to call 80 hours or 2 hours the boundary between part-time and full-time employment in any other law."

Actually, nobody has any right to any wage what so ever.

"All hardworking people deserve to not starve or catch influenza because they don't have four walls and a roof. Your assertion is appalling to my basic morality."

One receives a wage in exchange for doing work. This wage is agreed upon by the worker and the employer. This is often done based upon how hard the work is and how long it takes. Nobody has a right to a wage, because that takes the bargaining power away from the employer and the employee.

"In many nations, the working class has no bargaining power. This resolution will protect those who cannot protect themselves and will be irrelevant where the living wage has already been secured."

[Republic of the Cristo]

This isn't even a more palatable form of what was repealed. Especially since it mandates how many hours are full and part-time.

"Only for the purposes of this resolution, dear Ambassador. Feel free to call 80 hours or 2 hours the boundary between part-time and full-time employment in any other law."

Actually, nobody has any right to any wage what so ever.

"All hardworking people deserve to not starve or catch influenza because they don't have four walls and a roof. Your assertion is appalling to my basic morality."

One receives a wage in exchange for doing work. This wage is agreed upon by the worker and the employer. This is often done based upon how hard the work is and how long it takes. Nobody has a right to a wage, because that takes the bargaining power away from the employer and the employee.

"In many nations, the working class has no bargaining power. This resolution will protect those who cannot protect themselves and will be irrelevant where the living wage has already been secured."

1. No free man or women works full time for nothing ( unless it is some form of charity) your point is invalid.
2. In many nations this is true, because the employers there rely on command economics. If we introduce the idea of free exchange of products and labor into their markets, it will give the working class equal ground to negotiate their wage with their employer.

[Tinfect]

2. In many nations this is true, because the employers there rely on command economics. If we introduce the idea of free exchange of products and labor into their markets, it will give the working class equal ground to negotiate their wage with their employer.

"The Imperium would like to inform you of just how wrong you are. In many "Free Market" nations, the Working Class has no power, and no method of obtaining it, due to the sheer power of large businesses and industries. In the Imperium, which has something similar, if my understanding is correct, to what you call a "Command Economy" there is no need for them to fight for any working rights, as they are all assured by the Imperium."

[Republic of the Cristo]

2. In many nations this is true, because the employers there rely on command economics. If we introduce the idea of free exchange of products and labor into their markets, it will give the working class equal ground to negotiate their wage with their employer.

"The Imperium would like to inform you of just how wrong you are. In many "Free Market" nations, the Working Class has no power, and no method of obtaining it, due to the sheer power of large businesses and industries. In the Imperium, which has something similar, if my understanding is correct, to what you call a "Command Economy" there is no need for them to fight for any working rights, as they are all assured by the Imperium."

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

[Wallenburg]

"The Imperium would like to inform you of just how wrong you are. In many "Free Market" nations, the Working Class has no power, and no method of obtaining it, due to the sheer power of large businesses and industries. In the Imperium, which has something similar, if my understanding is correct, to what you call a "Command Economy" there is no need for them to fight for any working rights, as they are all assured by the Imperium."

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

"The Imperium certainly exists. I have been there. As to your question, I imagine you are familiar with a nation called 'Singapore'?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"The Imperium would like to inform you of just how wrong you are. In many "Free Market" nations, the Working Class has no power, and no method of obtaining it, due to the sheer power of large businesses and industries. In the Imperium, which has something similar, if my understanding is correct, to what you call a "Command Economy" there is no need for them to fight for any working rights, as they are all assured by the Imperium."

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

"No more fictitious than yours."

[Tinfect]

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

Markhov is visibly angered, his voice strained to keep its usual dry tone,
"Ambassador. The Imperium of Tinfect most certainly exists. It dwarfs your nation by dozens of stars, and could obliterate everything you, and your people have ever known in the space of an hour. Neither myself, or the Imperium will stand for any further insults.
To answer your question, I believe one must simply look around you. Nations which are, in a literal sense, run by corporate interests."

[Republic of the Cristo]

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

"The Imperium certainly exists. I have been there. As to your question, I imagine you are familiar with a nation called 'Singapore'?"

Quite. Here is a Wikipedia page on them. Scroll down to there economy. You will notice that they have a skilled workforce, no minimum wage, and very little poverty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore

Score 1 me

[Republic of the Cristo]

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

"No more fictitious than yours."

I never mentioned the Republic of the Cristo

[Jarish Inyo]

This isn't even a more palatable form of what was repealed. Especially since it mandates how many hours are full and part-time.

"Only for the purposes of this resolution, dear Ambassador. Feel free to call 80 hours or 2 hours the boundary between part-time and full-time employment in any other law."

Actually, nobody has any right to any wage what so ever.

"All hardworking people deserve to not starve or catch influenza because they don't have four walls and a roof. Your assertion is appalling to my basic morality."

One receives a wage in exchange for doing work. This wage is agreed upon by the worker and the employer. This is often done based upon how hard the work is and how long it takes. Nobody has a right to a wage, because that takes the bargaining power away from the employer and the employee.

"In many nations, the working class has no bargaining power. This resolution will protect those who cannot protect themselves and will be irrelevant where the living wage has already been secured."

I would be forced to accept your definitions of full time and part time for any other law. WA resolutions overrule national laws.

[Republic of the Cristo]

This imperium is obviously a fictitious nation. Tell me, in what free market countries do the workers not have the power to negotiate their own wage?

Markhov is visibly angered, his voice strained to keep its usual dry tone,
"Ambassador. The Imperium of Tinfect most certainly exists. It dwarfs your nation by dozens of stars, and could obliterate everything you, and your people have ever known in the space of an hour. Neither myself, or the Imperium will stand for any further insults.
To answer your question, I believe one must simply look around you. Nations which are, in a literal sense, run by corporate interests."

The Republic of Cristo is one of the most business friendly nations in the world. We have very little poverty, a high education rate, and positive growth. All without every having to use the tyrannical methods of command economics. Go ahead and prep your weapons, you will only prove that you are scared of our superior market tactics.

[Tinfect]

The Republic of Cristo is one of the most business friendly nations in the world. We have very little poverty, a high education rate, and positive growth. All without every having to use the tyrannical methods of command economics. Go ahead and prep your weapons, you will only prove that you are scared of our superior market tactics.

Markhov replies, having only slightly cooled off since his last statement,
"Ambassador, The Imperium has No poverty, and an educational system that would find yours hundreds of years out of date, because it is. There is nothing "Tyrannical" about the Imperial Economy, and I think you will find, should you ever request diplomatic entry to the Imperium, exactly that.
And, for the record Ambassador, when it comes to your nation, the Imperium has nothing to fear. You could not hope to outpace us Industrially, or Militarily."