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Genalir
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Postby Genalir » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:28 am

I voted against repealing. Everyone should have liveable standards for living and repealing the Living Wage Act would only weaken that. You right-winged conservatives can have any opinions you want.

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Postby Povinksi » Tue Aug 25, 2015 2:57 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Povinksi wrote:Big Pharma's diagnosed his son with "ADHD" which, according to Big Brothers school system, is a disability where a child is very rowdy and impulsive.


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As someone who actually has ADHD, I can quite confidently assure you that it does, in fact, exist.

Povinksi wrote:Then, Big Media encourages him to eat "healthy" by consuming genetically modified foods, and "sandwiches" with chemicals dumped into them. He doesn't know this, so he buys these foods, and gets cancer!


Practically everything you eat is the result of Genetic Modification. Welcome to the modern world. Advanced methods of agriculture are not giving you Cancer, Autism, ADHD, or implanting UN Monitoring devices. The trails left behind by aircraft are not Government Mind Control Clouds, and the Government is not run by the Illuminati.

Povinksi wrote:He has to pay for chemo"therapy" which he can't afford. ... He eventually dies from "cancer" (chemotherapy).


As it happens, Chemotherapy is pretty much the best way we have of treating Cancer. It is not a "Big Pharma" conspiracy to drain the lower-classes of the wealth and lives.

Povinksi wrote:Uh, oh! Big Media also exposes his son to nudity and other inappropriate images and videos that serve to distract so they can control him even more. Follow the Money!


Uh...
Don't get me wrong here, modern news-media is utter garbage, but it is not because of Nudity or "Inappropriate Images".

I don't think the "Illuminati" runs our government. I think the wealthy do. And also, just because nearly everything we eat is GMO, doesn't mean it's right. I don't believe the chemtrails theories, or any other conspiracy theory. I just think the rich have enough control already, removing a minimum wage just welcomes in more corruption. And also, the media is corporate-run. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a Direct Democratic Socialist. And even if Chemotherapy works slightly, it's ridiculously expensive. I think ADHD is a illness caused by chemicals in our foods. Scientists have claimed that the increasingly common diagnoses of ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome are because of the increase of chemicals in our lives. I think it's a real disorder, I just don't think you should have to pay for your son to act appropriately. Shouldn't that be free? And why should we shun them because of their differences? Also, Our school system doesn't cater to children with special needs. It doesn't create thinkers, CEO's and lawyers, it creates workers. I personally think we should teach every child to their own potential.
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Postby Povinksi » Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:02 pm

Anyway, like I said, it doesn't really matter anyway, few WA members beside us uh... "forumers" actually read past the title. And also, we don't have to follow the WA's rules.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:30 pm

Povinksi wrote:And also, we don't have to follow the WA's rules.

:eyebrow: Orly?

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Postby Tinfect » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:35 pm

Povinksi wrote:I don't think the "Illuminati" runs our government. I think the wealthy do.


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There are better ways, to get that across than the absolute insanity you posted earlier. Implying ADHD to be nonexistent is also not a good idea.

Povinksi wrote:And also, just because nearly everything we eat is GMO, doesn't mean it's right.


There is nothing wrong with GMOs.

Povinksi wrote:I don't believe the chemtrails theories, or any other conspiracy theory. I just think the rich have enough control already, removing a minimum wage just welcomes in more corruption.


Then argue that, don't go on pointless inane rants.

Povinksi wrote:And also, the media is corporate-run.


Everyone knows this.

Povinksi wrote:And even if Chemotherapy works slightly, it's ridiculously expensive.


That's called Capitalism. It's shit, and that's about all we can agree on.

Povinksi wrote:I think ADHD is a illness caused by chemicals in our foods.


It's not.

Povinksi wrote:Scientists have claimed that the increasingly common diagnoses of ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome are because of the increase of chemicals in our lives.


Holy crap you really are just the whole deal, huh? I myself have ADHD, and my brother has Asperger's Syndrome. It has nothing to do with any chemical increases, and more to do with science getting better at detecting it.

Povinksi wrote:And why should we shun them because of their differences?



No one is saying that.

Povinksi wrote:Also, Our school system doesn't cater to children with special needs. It doesn't create thinkers, CEO's and lawyers, it creates workers. I personally think we should teach every child to their own potential.


None of that is relevant to the proposal at hand.

Povinksi wrote:... And also, we don't have to follow the WA's rules.


Actually, yes we do. World Assembly Resolutions are binding on all member states.
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Postby Frost and Fire » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:34 pm

It isn't fair for the WA to pick on small countries that can't abide by such restrictions. Quite frankly this shouldn't have been passed in the first place.

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:36 pm

Frost and Fire wrote:It isn't fair for the WA to pick on small countries that can't abide by such restrictions. Quite frankly this shouldn't have been passed in the first place.

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Postby New Peoples Washington DC » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:42 pm

While I dissagree with the repeal it hardly affects me when I use labour vouchers ...
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Postby Elves of Kingdoms Past » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:25 am

This, I'm going to oppose

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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:59 am

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We stand in favor of the repeal, although for the life of me I don't have a solid reason why. I mean I like helping poor people. Helping poor people is a mandate from the almighty. Where there is plenty, charity is a duty, not a courtesy. Imposed upon us by heaven itself and one is a poor subject not to pay it.



Now, what was I saying before that large acronym hit me in the forehead? Ah yes, A minimum wage is a horrid principle because, on the one hand, it establishes a floor which the unscrupulous employer may use to keep someone's wages down and on the other hand it establishes a ceiling which may be difficult for others to reach; having removed all steps on the ladder below that minimum wage.

The first consideration is the law of supply and demand. If no one wants your product to such an extent that you can pay the minimum wage, then how are you going to pay the minimum wage in the first place. A lot of small food establishments run under such a low margin of wage. (The solution is to find another occupation if you want to raise a family, but I digress.) These positions are, on the other hand, very good for those just entering the work force in order to establish a resume to present to places that offer a higher wage. (Seriously, do you want to flip burgers until you retire?)

Given this, I don't see how a one size fits all WA resolution is going to solve the problems of the world here.
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Postby Povinksi » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:35 pm

Tinfect wrote:
Povinksi wrote:I don't think the "Illuminati" runs our government. I think the wealthy do.


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There are better ways, to get that across than the absolute insanity you posted earlier. Implying ADHD to be nonexistent is also not a good idea.

Povinksi wrote:And also, just because nearly everything we eat is GMO, doesn't mean it's right.


There is nothing wrong with GMOs.

Povinksi wrote:I don't believe the chemtrails theories, or any other conspiracy theory. I just think the rich have enough control already, removing a minimum wage just welcomes in more corruption.


Then argue that, don't go on pointless inane rants.

Povinksi wrote:And also, the media is corporate-run.


Everyone knows this.

Povinksi wrote:And even if Chemotherapy works slightly, it's ridiculously expensive.


That's called Capitalism. It's shit, and that's about all we can agree on.


Povinksi wrote:Scientists have claimed that the increasingly common diagnoses of ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome are because of the increase of chemicals in our lives.


Holy crap you really are just the whole deal, huh? I myself have ADHD, and my brother has Asperger's Syndrome. It has nothing to do with any chemical increases, and more to do with science getting better at detecting it.



Povinksi wrote:... And also, we don't have to follow the WA's rules.


Actually, yes we do. World Assembly Resolutions are binding on all member states.

After reconsideration, We have eliminated our claims on ADHD and Asperger's *cough* we were wrong... Also, sorry for the rant. Heh heh...
Anyway, question. Does the WA expel you if you fail to comply with their rules? Or do issues related to that just not come up?
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Postby Povinksi » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:36 pm

Did anyone read my "forumers" comment?
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Postby Povinksi » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:39 pm

It's kinda true. I mean, if you think about it, arguing about GAR's is kind of pointless. It's not like any member states other than "forumers" read past the title, or even read the title :lol:
I feel like every GAR is passed.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:11 am

Povinksi wrote:It's kinda true. I mean, if you think about it, arguing about GAR's is kind of pointless. It's not like any member states other than "forumers" read past the title, or even read the title :lol:
I feel like every GAR is passed.

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Postby Povinksi » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:31 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Povinksi wrote:It's kinda true. I mean, if you think about it, arguing about GAR's is kind of pointless. It's not like any member states other than "forumers" read past the title, or even read the title :lol:
I feel like every GAR is passed.

OOC: noncompliance is considered godmodding. It's not against the rules, but it's a quick way to make sure nobody wants to RP with you.

Ah. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Separatist Peoples wrote:
Povinksi wrote:It's kinda true. I mean, if you think about it, arguing about GAR's is kind of pointless. It's not like any member states other than "forumers" read past the title, or even read the title :lol:
I feel like every GAR is passed.

OOC: noncompliance is considered godmodding. It's not against the rules, but it's a quick way to make sure nobody wants to RP with you.

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Postby Alqania » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:38 pm

Povinksi wrote:It's kinda true. I mean, if you think about it, arguing about GAR's is kind of pointless. It's not like any member states other than "forumers" read past the title, or even read the title :lol:
I feel like every GAR is passed.


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:16 am

"Regional consensus is that by exempting prisoners from its provisions, the target resolution allows states to incentivize mass incarcerations, thus leading to a more and more police-intensive society in which unpaid prison labor undercuts labor performed by reasonably-paid workers; and in which more and more stupid shit becomes criminalized so as to guarantee a steady stream of slaves to perform more and more work for free. I have therefore cast our votes in FAVOR of this repeal. We hope any replacement resolves this contradiction, as there seems to be little point guaranteeing a living wage when there's such a huge mass of unpaid labor working against it."
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