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[DRAFT] Repeal GAR#286 Reproductive Freedoms

Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:22 am

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Since I’ve been appointed as “Second Secretary” to “Pro-Life International,” the following is my rough draft of the repeal of General Assembly Resolution #246 Reproductive Freedoms.

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Recognizing that the issue of human life and the conflicting rights of individuals is complex and does not always have simple answers,

Lamenting the fact that the use of the term “termination of pregnancy” allows some nations to avoid the issue by concentrating on the ends and not the means,

Appreciating the declaration that the “termination of pregnancy” is a medical procedure but noting that the rights to any medical procedure is already supported by previous WA resolutions (#128 On Abortion / #29 Patient’s Right Act) and does not need this resolution in order to uphold them.

Concerned that the mandates of previous WA resolutions on the medical standards required of such medical procedures might easily be ignored or overlooked because of this resolution which, as a result of the previous resolution can only legislate abortion for purposes not covered under the previous resolution.

Assured that an existing WA resolution (#128 On Abortion) not only provides a basic right to the procedure under specific circumstances but also gives nations the right to expand that right as they see fit, so repealing this resolution would continue to keep existing laws in place unless member nations later decide to change them as per previous resolutions.

Hereby Repeals General Assembly Resolution #246 Reproductive Freedoms


The World Assembly

Recognizing that the issue of human life and the conflicting rights of individuals is complex and does not always have simple answers,

Lamenting the fact that the use of the term “termination of pregnancy” allows some nations to avoid the issue by concentrating on the ends and not the means,

Appreciating the declaration that the “termination of pregnancy” is a medical procedure but noting that the rights to any medical procedure is already supported by previous WA resolutions and does not need this resolution in order to uphold them.

Concerned that the mandates of previous WA resolutions on the medical standards required of such medical procedures might easily be ignored or overlooked because of this resolution which, as a result of the previous resolution can only legislate abortion for purposes not covered under the previous resolution.

Assured that existing WA resolutions not only provides a basic right to the procedure under specific circumstances but also gives nations the right to expand that right as they see fit, so repealing this resolution would continue to keep existing laws in place unless member nations later decide to change them as per previous resolutions.

Hereby Repeals General Assembly Resolution #286 Reproductive Freedoms


World Assembly Resolution #29: Patient’s Right Act
World Assembly Resolution #128: On Abortion
World Assembly Resolution #286: Reproductive Freedoms
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Postby The Tophat Empire » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:43 am

"Greetings ambassador, While the delegation that i serve have not for long spent time in legislative process, but i am pretty sure that just such a repeal like the one you are writing got shut down in the drafting stages just a week ago. And for the legislation that you are writing itself, it do seam to me to go around in circles just a bit to much. but that might just be my Tau eyes betraying me. As i final note i must inform you that the Empire stands opposed to this repeal, would it reach the floor"
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:04 pm

It's #286.

Pro-abortion delegates are going to accuse you of dishonesty for saying "existing laws will remain in place" after it's repealed, because everyone knows a lot of nations will impose new restrictions on abortion if that happens.
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Postby The Candy Of Bottles » Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:22 pm

"Opposed. What a woman does with her body is her choice."
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Postby Deropia » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:48 pm

"Well, I will say this, its refreshing to see a repeal of reproductive freedoms that doesn't rely on the 'My religion says abortions are bad! Repeal NOW!' argument, the Military State of Deropia will stand opposed to any and all repeal attempts on Reproductive Freedoms and On Abortion. Unless, you have a drafted resolution that closes these so-called 'loopholes' which, might I add, I doubt is the case."
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"While I'm not exactly a lover of RF, I hate the idea of nations using the repeal as a method for pushing their moral standpoint on women who would be better off being given freedom over their own bodies. I have to oppose this, though it is nicely written."

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Postby LEGGETT EMPIRE » Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:36 pm

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Separatist Peoples wrote:"While I'm not exactly a lover of RF, I hate the idea of nations using the repeal as a method for pushing their moral standpoint on women who would be better off being given freedom over their own bodies. I have to oppose this, though it is nicely written."

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Postby Alqania » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:35 pm

Concerned that the mandates of previous WA resolutions on the medical standards required of such medical procedures might easily be ignored or overlooked because of this resolution which, as a result of the previous resolution can only legislate abortion for purposes not covered under the previous resolution.


"That is a rather complex sentence structure", observed Lord Raekevik. "I am not entirely sure I have correctly understood the argument, and in any case I would suggest trying to express it more clearly."
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:50 pm

"Wallenburg will support this proposal in full, noting that GA #128 already legalizes abortion. However, we hope to see improvement on #128 and extension of abortion rights beforehand."
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:01 pm

Deropia wrote:Unless, you have a drafted resolution that closes these so-called 'loopholes' which, might I add, I doubt is the case.

Uhh, oops: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=314748

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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:51 am

The Candy Of Bottles wrote:"Opposed. What a woman does with her body is her choice."


Really, so it's perfectly fine for a woman to implant a nuclear device within herself, walk into the middle of your capital city and detonate herself.

I mean it's her choice after all.

It's makes a nice meme but it generally falls flat on a number of significant levels.

"The conflicting rights of individuals is complex and does not always have simple answers."

Please note that the repeal of GAR#286 does not result in any restriction on abortions unless your nation chooses to do so in the future and then only within the framework of other WA resolutions cited.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:59 am

Deropia wrote:"... the Military State of Deropia will stand opposed to any and all repeal attempts on Reproductive Freedoms and On Abortion. Unless, you have a drafted resolution that closes these so-called 'loopholes' which, might I add, I doubt is the case."


First of all, this is a repeal on Reproductive Freedoms. I have not considered a repeal of GAR #128 On Abortion, and frankly, the arguments against On Abortion are so technical and nit picky as to not be worth the effort in getting it repealed with the possibility that an even worse one would be put in its place. I think #128 is enough to basically rule on the issue of Abortions. Sure it is flawed. Sure it has confusing points. But to base a repeal of it on those points alone is whining.

So what are the "loopholes" of GAR #128 that required GAR #286. This the resolution I want to repeal, so why do we really need it?
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:05 am

Alqania wrote:
Concerned that the mandates of previous WA resolutions on the medical standards required of such medical procedures might easily be ignored or overlooked because of this resolution which, as a result of the previous resolution can only legislate abortion for purposes not covered under the previous resolution.


"That is a rather complex sentence structure", observed Lord Raekevik. "I am not entirely sure I have correctly understood the argument, and in any case I would suggest trying to express it more clearly."


I'm really sorry. I'll try not to use BIG WORDS.

Concerned that morons who look at GAR #286 would not bother to check GAR #128 clauses 3,4,5 & 6 which until repealed continue to remain in effect.
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Postby Bananaistan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:03 am

Utterly opposed. Couldn't be any more opposed after the ridiculous analogy raised by the proposing ambassador which I refuse to directly quote due to its complete imbecility. If that's the way you want to play it, go right ahead. Everyone will see this for exactly what it is.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:06 am

Bananaistan wrote:Everyone will see this for exactly what it is.


My appointment as "Second Secretary" to "Pro-Life International?" It's right there on the first post. :blush:

I can see that you are a "liberal." You dismiss the messenger and the message. You add nothing to the debate. However, it makes you feel smug and superior, and I would be the last person who would want to deflate your over-inflated ego.

This proposal of a repeal is just that and nothing more. It will put an end (once and for all) to repeal attempts that do not address the fundamental problem of this resolution, in that it was a hastily written resolution using wording to disguise its true nature so that it could get approved and over extend the resolution "On Abortion." ... A kind of mega blocker as it were. Having been around for the debates, I remember how "termination of pregnancy" was crap used by people who wanted to mimic Kenny's "Creative Solutions Agency" in their own nations, even by people normally dedicated to the pro-life cause.
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Postby Hirota » Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:25 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:Really, so it's perfectly fine for a woman to implant a nuclear device within herself, walk into the middle of your capital city and detonate herself.

I mean it's her choice after all.

It's makes a nice meme but it generally falls flat on a number of significant levels.
And yet, somehow your utterly insipid strawman doesn't fall flat at all..?
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Postby Alqania » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:01 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:
Alqania wrote:
"That is a rather complex sentence structure", observed Lord Raekevik. "I am not entirely sure I have correctly understood the argument, and in any case I would suggest trying to express it more clearly."


I'm really sorry. I'll try not to use BIG WORDS.

Concerned that morons who look at GAR #286 would not bother to check GAR #128 clauses 3,4,5 & 6 which until repealed continue to remain in effect.


"So, in essence, the concern is over compliance with #128?" asked Lord Raekevik for confirmation. "How, pray tell, does #286 affect the work of the Compliance Commission? After all, compliance does not depend on member state individuals actually reading the resolutions."
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Postby The Candy Of Bottles » Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:44 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:
The Candy Of Bottles wrote:"Opposed. What a woman does with her body is her choice."


Really, so it's perfectly fine for a woman to implant a nuclear device within herself, walk into the middle of your capital city and detonate herself.

I mean it's her choice after all.

It's makes a nice meme but it generally falls flat on a number of significant levels.

"The conflicting rights of individuals is complex and does not always have simple answers."

Please note that the repeal of GAR#286 does not result in any restriction on abortions unless your nation chooses to do so in the future and then only within the framework of other WA resolutions cited.


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Postby Tinfect » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:01 am

Alqania wrote:"So, in essence, the concern is over compliance with #128?" asked Lord Raekevik for confirmation. "How, pray tell, does #286 affect the work of the Compliance Commission? After all, compliance does not depend on member state individuals actually reading the resolutions."


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Tinfect wrote:
Alqania wrote:"So, in essence, the concern is over compliance with #128?" asked Lord Raekevik for confirmation. "How, pray tell, does #286 affect the work of the Compliance Commission? After all, compliance does not depend on member state individuals actually reading the resolutions."


"I will take this moment to direct the Ambassador's attention to General Assembly Resolution 122."


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Postby Ovybia » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:28 pm

I would vote for this.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:33 am

Ovybia wrote:I would vote for this.

"I imagine you would vote for a collection of ABBA lyrics if it had "Hereby repeals GAR#286" tagged on the end."

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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:35 am

Hirota wrote:And yet, somehow your utterly insipid strawman doesn't fall flat at all..?


No, I think it makes a nice fizzy explosion. But that is just me and the science of nuclear weapons. :twisted:
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:38 am

The Candy Of Bottles wrote:"Yeah... Uh.. No. That would be terrorism." The pegasus facehooves. "Nobody is allowed to do that. Regardless of any factor."


You mean (gasp) you are not allowed to use your own body to cause the death of another?
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