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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:52 am

Wallenburg wrote:"Excellent first draft, ambassador! I have some questions about this proposal, and will carefully observe it for contractual loopholes, but beforehand I would appreciate your input on these inquiries:
"How are militias and armed civilians considered in this resolution, in contrast to professional or enlisted troops?
"Troops and armed civilians are almost certain to mix with unarmed civilians in military procedures such as evacuations and other actions intended to protect civilians. However, these often protect armed forces as enemy troops must respect the noncombatant status of unarmed civilians. Would this be considered the use of a 'living shield', and if so, how do you propose to protect civilian interest to evacuate war zones?"


"Much appreciated! Let me address those issues in turn:

"Militias would be classified in the same manner as normal militaries, being "belligerents" or "hostile parties". Civilians armed and behaving thusly in an active conflict are likely to be considered irregular combatants, and would, then, fall under the same perspective as a hostile party. All in all, I don't think, if I tweak my inconsistent wording, that there would be a practical difference.

"The term "intentional" would probably clear that up. In general, evacuating citizens aren't viable targets, and any military oversight would probably be a low priority target. Theoretically, one could utilize weapons, such as firearms, that will only harm single targets, enabling your troops to attack the enemy troops in this situation without hurting the civilians. That would be in contrast to using a less discriminate weapon, such as artillery.

"In the general way of things, it is expected, thanks to the nightmare of Universal Jurisdiction, that member states will take care of any prosecution necessary, which means that a certain amount of determination of mens rea will be required on behalf of the judge and jury, which this Assembly just can't make safe allowances for. As we all know, accidents happen. Real accidents, not the twisted versions that the Helltankian ambassador suggests. The practical application of these laws must consider that, as the law itself can't make every nuanced exception for every situation."

Normlpeople wrote:Clover nodded "War is hell. That is quite literally the only point you have made I am in agreement with. Your defense of this appalling practice, in addition to your admission of torturing and mistreating POWs, pretty much kills your credibility here."

Turning to Ambassador Bell "Forgive me if I am misreading or misinterpreting this, however, would families of soldiers living on bases, or civilians living in cities that pop up around military bases, be considered voluntarily shields for merely refusing to leave thier homes? I would hope that unless they engaged in some sort of activity to shield, it would not be the case."


"I don't perceive that to be the case, though after the battle, the invading nation could certainly offer to resettle them or even detain them for questioning as to their exact intention. I would imagine that, given the language used in the draft, there would have to be an active participation on the civilians part, forced or otherwise, that goes beyond simply living on the outskirts of an established base. Most bases are large enough that, should they come under attack, the worst of the damage won't stray into civilian neighborhoods. Its something of a design consideration in many places."
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Postby Helltank » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:53 am

Beliazrael: We do not wish to revise our claim. I believe that Rules of Surrender is irrelevant as it specifically states that surrender is defined as combatants capitulating, making no mention of non-combatants. Similarly, the PoW Accord does not force us to take civilian internees; upon encountering them, our soldiers are instructed to inform them that they remain at liberty and are free to venture out from the protection of our soldiers' force fields if they wish.

Therefore, the Overlordship has broken no WA resolutiins in the exact letter of the law, and cannot rightfully be considered oathbreakers.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:05 am

Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: We do not wish to revise our claim. I believe that Rules of Surrender is irrelevant as it specifically states that surrender is defined as combatants capitulating, making no mention of non-combatants. Similarly, the PoW Accord does not force us to take civilian internees; upon encountering them, our soldiers are instructed to inform them that they remain at liberty and are free to venture out from the protection of our soldiers' force fields if they wish.

Therefore, the Overlordship has broken no WA resolutiins in the exact letter of the law, and cannot rightfully be considered oathbreakers.



Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: I suppose our military forces will merely have to take the risk of getting fired on by terrified prisoners of war, tortured half to death, armed with rusty barely-functioning guns that each have one bullet in them.


"Clear violation of the POW Accord and the Convention against Torture. What's more, your disregard for civilians who "happen" to walk in front of a machine gun sounds like a bright line violation of Wartime Looting and Pillage."

"In the end, I don't especially care. At some point, you will either find yourself in the sights of a vengeful enemy with a mind for WA law, or leave the WA. I hope I get to witness one or both. Regardless, your half-formed "points" are actively detracting from my drafting process. Stop.

"Though I do like how you casually ignored my explanation of why your protests are so valueless to me."

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Postby Helltank » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:21 am

Beliazrael: Personally, I find it rather unlikely that someone will manage to breach our dimension, overcome the magical defenses designed to stop them and successfully come out victorious. But of course, you, the delegate from Grays Harbour or any other nation is certainly welcome to try.

*Beliazrael chuckles nastily*

Beliazrael: As for your other allegations, which are growing more ridiculous by the minute: we do not torture POWs, of course. I merely meant that they may have undergone intense mental agony after realizing, independently and without coercion, that their nation will inevitably lose. And surely we do not "disregard civillians" who happen to walk in front of machine guns. It is merely that our machine guns have a sharp recoil and tend to spray bullets in all directions, totally uncontrollably. It surely cannot be considered our fault if one or two civilians are accidentally hit by such bullets.

Finally, we refuse to acknowledge your unreasonable demands to curb our right to speak out against this disgusting resolution that attempts to limit our much-enjoyed pastime of watching enemy soldiers caught in a dilemma of being destroyed or being forced to fire at their own countrymen.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:30 am

Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: Personally, I find it rather unlikely that someone will manage to breach our dimension, overcome the magical defenses designed to stop them and successfully come out victorious. But of course, you, the delegate from Grays Harbour or any other nation is certainly welcome to try.

*Beliazrael chuckles nastily*

"Poof. The C.D.S.P. megamages just did. Making spectacularly insane claims works both ways."

Beliazrael: As for your other allegations, which are growing more ridiculous by the minute: we do not torture POWs, of course. I merely meant that they may have undergone intense mental agony after realizing, independently and without coercion, that their nation will inevitably lose.

"Spectacular backpedal after blatantly claiming they would be half-tortured. But go for it. Whatever mental jumping jacks you want to endure, go for it."

And surely we do not "disregard civillians" who happen to walk in front of machine guns. It is merely that our machine guns have a sharp recoil and tend to spray bullets in all directions, totally uncontrollably. It surely cannot be considered our fault if one or two civilians are accidentally hit by such bullets.

"Yet that still counts as a blatant violation. Funny, how it absolutely can be considered your fault if you do that."

Finally, we refuse to acknowledge your unreasonable demands to curb our right to speak out against this disgusting resolution that attempts to limit our much-enjoyed pastime of watching enemy soldiers caught in a dilemma of being destroyed or being forced to fire at their own countrymen.

"You, of course, have your own rights to free speech. You do not have the right to consistently derail my drafting debate with nonsense. You are adding nothing to this discussion but grief. This isn't me curtailing your freedom of speech, its me showing you the door."

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Postby Helltank » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:50 am

Beliazrael tosses her hair scornfully.
Beliazrael: I tire of this ceaseless argument. If you feel we have violated WA law, lodge a complaint with the gnomes. We eagerly anticipate the arrival of the CDSP Megamages; for now, the Overlordship has said all that it needs to say.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:35 am

Helltank wrote:Beliazrael tosses her hair scornfully.
Beliazrael: I tire of this ceaseless argument. If you feel we have violated WA law, lodge a complaint with the gnomes. We eagerly anticipate the arrival of the CDSP Megamages; for now, the Overlordship has said all that it needs to say.
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OOC: Thanks for the RP and debate, it was highly entertaining and fun going back and forth about loopholes. Leaving on request of OP.

OOC: you don't have to leave, just stop derailing it. Keep it on topic, and be a smidgeon less gratuitous, since that seems to attract threadjack like flame and moths. Loopholes are good to debate, but the loopholes of other resolutions aren't terribly germane to this, and it's hard to get meaningful feedback when the topic keeps shifting to other laws.
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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:30 am

Helltank wrote:
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Beliazrael: Luckily, the Overlordship of Helltank doesn't really care about murdering innocent unborn children. We have the usage of human shields in our military manual and the forced sterilization of the mentally disabled in our laws already; what's a few million more semi-sentient fetuses to add to the mountain of corpses?

"Ooh, look what I found in the assembly records! Regardless of the false notion that fetuses have rights, the message is pretty clear that 'Helltank' not only violates the rules of war, but generally has no respect for sapient rights whatsoever."
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:41 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: Luckily, the Overlordship of Helltank doesn't really care about murdering innocent unborn children. We have the usage of human shields in our military manual and the forced sterilization of the mentally disabled in our laws already; what's a few million more semi-sentient fetuses to add to the mountain of corpses?

"Ooh, look what I found in the assembly records! Regardless of the false notion that fetuses have rights, the message is pretty clear that 'Helltank' not only violates the rules of war, but generally has no respect for sapient rights whatsoever."

No no, it's merely more evidence that the Helltank ambassador isn't afraid to exaggerate to the point of absurdity just to try to make a point. It's very unlikely, given their sparse defense forces and their very good civil rights ratings, that the nation does anything that the ambassador claims it does.

As far as this proposal, Ambassador Bell, we haven't commented on it because we can find nothing objectionable in it. You have our support.

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Postby Tinfect » Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:25 pm

Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: Personally, I find it rather unlikely that someone will manage to breach our dimension, overcome the magical defenses designed to stop them and successfully come out victorious. But of course, you, the delegate from Grays Harbour or any other nation is certainly welcome to try.


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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:34 pm

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Helltank wrote:Beliazrael: Personally, I find it rather unlikely that someone will manage to breach our dimension, overcome the magical defenses designed to stop them and successfully come out victorious. But of course, you, the delegate from Grays Harbour or any other nation is certainly welcome to try.


"Oh, I assure you, the Aleph Division will be redirected to locating your Universe immediately. Nothing, 'magical' or otherwise, can stop an Enclave II Planetcracker."


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Postby Atomic Utopia » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:27 pm

1. The World Assembly defines the use of living shields as the act of an armed party utilizing individuals, be they volunteers or otherwise, whose primary purpose is to shield the armed party in order to compel a strategic or tactical advantage by way of manipulating a third party’s obligation to respect the protected status of the hostages or perceived value of the hostages.


"I believe this alteration makes it more clear. Now your living shields cannot be armed and be legal as all that matters is the purpose of them, not their status as armed or unarmed."

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[box][align=center]A Moratorium on Living Shields

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Pleased with the progress of this Assembly in the realm of protecting the unarmed and innocent in times of armed conflict;

Enthusiastically hoping further measures to be unnecessary; yet,

Pessimistically noting the above to be exceedingly unlikely;

Remembering the protections extended to all manner of noncombatants and civilians in war by this august Assembly;

Disgusted at the increasing incidence of these protections being used against the very states sworn to uphold them;

Finding the practice of using individuals as living shields to be deliberately contrary to the historic goals of the World Assembly of protecting human rights and ensuring peace, and;

Righteously amending this wrong;

1.   The World Assembly defines the use of living shields as the act of an armed party utilizing individuals, be they volunteers or otherwise, whose primary purpose is to shield the armed party in order to compel a strategic or tactical advantage by way of manipulating a third party’s obligation to respect the protected status of the hostages or perceived value of the hostages.

2.   Member states are strongly encouraged to take the necessary steps to protect those individuals being used as living shields from harm.


3.   Member states shall consider the use of individuals as living shields in the course of armed conflict illegal and a war crime.


4.   Member states shall consider a belligerent’s use of living shields a mitigating circumstance when dealing with the prosecution of troops who, due to the enemy’s violation of these provisions, find themselves directly or indirectly responsible for the accidental violation of a noncombatants protected status, and are encouraged to acquit the accused in situations wherein gross negligence cannot be ascribed.

5.   Member states are permitted to prosecute unarmed noncombatants who voluntarily serve as living shields as they would prosecute combatants who utilize such living shields.

[list=a]a. Member states are encouraged, in instances where it cannot be determined whether an individual was voluntarily or forcibly taken as a living shield, to offer to resettle those individuals in an area away from the conflict.

b. If those individuals refuse and, subsequently, are repeatedly utilized as living shields in a manner that calls into question the non-voluntary nature of their participation, member states are permitted to detain them.
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:25 am

Atomic Utopia wrote:1. The World Assembly defines the use of living shields as the act of an armed party utilizing individuals, be they volunteers or otherwise, whose primary purposes is to shield the armed party in such a way as to in order to compel a strategic or tactical advantage by way of manipulating a third party’s obligation to respect the protected status of the hostages or perceived value of the hostages.

That... ummm... is not quite "more clear" than the original.

However, in rereading the original clause, it does draw our attention to the fact that it does not prevent the use of a living shield to protect tangible assets, e.g., weapons caches, unmanned transports.

Also, need an apostrophe in clause 4 ("a noncombatant's protected status").

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:25 pm

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Atomic Utopia wrote:1. The World Assembly defines the use of living shields as the act of an armed party utilizing individuals, be they volunteers or otherwise, whose primary purposes is to shield the armed party in such a way as to in order to compel a strategic or tactical advantage by way of manipulating a third party’s obligation to respect the protected status of the hostages or perceived value of the hostages.

That... ummm... is not quite "more clear" than the original.

However, in rereading the original clause, it does draw our attention to the fact that it does not prevent the use of a living shield to protect tangible assets, e.g., weapons caches, unmanned transports.

Also, need an apostrophe in clause 4 ("a noncombatant's protected status").

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:33 pm

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Wrapper wrote:That... ummm... is not quite "more clear" than the original.

However, in rereading the original clause, it does draw our attention to the fact that it does not prevent the use of a living shield to protect tangible assets, e.g., weapons caches, unmanned transports.

Also, need an apostrophe in clause 4 ("a noncombatant's protected status").

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:34 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:3. Member states shall consider the use of individuals as living shields in the course of armed conflict illegal and a war crime.

I believe you mean "as", not "and".
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Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:3. Member states shall consider the use of individuals as living shields in the course of armed conflict illegal and a war crime.

I believe you mean "as", not "and".

OOC: I read it as, one, it's illegal, and, two, it's a war crime, so "and" would be correct. Then again, that's a bit redundant, isn't it?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:45 am

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Mallorea and Riva wrote:I believe you mean "as", not "and".

OOC: I read it as, one, it's illegal, and, two, it's a war crime, so "and" would be correct. Then again, that's a bit redundant, isn't it?

OOC: I live in fear that some crazy nation will call war crimes legal acts to circumvent prosecution. It was brought up way back during Rules of Surrender.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 30, 2015 6:33 am

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:49 am

Can't we call it a "ban" on living shields and be done with it?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 30, 2015 8:28 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:Can't we call it a "ban" on living shields and be done with it?

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Postby Flawdom » Thu Sep 03, 2015 5:34 pm

OOC: Is this going anywhere?

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:13 am

Flawdom wrote:OOC: Is this going anywhere?

OOC: yes. People are welcome to comment on it, as the newest updates have been made.

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:06 am

Well ambassador, as always your efforts to protect civilian populations from the worst ravages of war via international law are welcomed. After a reading of this latest draft we have a few points to make.

Firstly, would it not read better if you defined the use of human shields before listing your points? Quite apart from anything else, we feel this resolution will read better if the first point is a definitive:

1. Member states shall consider the use of individuals as living shields in the course of armed conflict illegal and a war crime.


Secondly, we would wish to place something in here regarding potential "brainwashing" of civilian populations. Even if it is just recommending that nations err on the side of caution when ascribing any potential blame to the civilian "volunteer" shields. We feel that the last part of the resolution skirts around recommending that this is taken into account (provisions made for re-locating and detaining civilians) and that this section may be stronger with the addition of some allowance for this.

These are, however, fairly minor comments. We fully support this as it stands.
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Postby Flawdom » Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:10 am

Caracasus wrote:Well ambassador, as always your efforts to protect civilian populations from the worst ravages of war via international law are welcomed. After a reading of this latest draft we have a few points to make.

Firstly, would it not read better if you defined the use of human shields before listing your points? Quite apart from anything else, we feel this resolution will read better if the first point is a definitive:

1. Member states shall consider the use of individuals as living shields in the course of armed conflict illegal and a war crime.


Secondly, we would wish to place something in here regarding potential "brainwashing" of civilian populations. Even if it is just recommending that nations err on the side of caution when ascribing any potential blame to the civilian "volunteer" shields. We feel that the last part of the resolution skirts around recommending that this is taken into account (provisions made for re-locating and detaining civilians) and that this section may be stronger with the addition of some allowance for this.

These are, however, fairly minor comments. We fully support this as it stands.

We believe that the reason the last section wasn't made stronger to begin with was to stave off objections from certain nations that regularly employ living shields. It would indeed be better if this was strengthened but we feel that it is an allowable compromise in order for this legislation to pass. We hope that your changes are accommodated, however like you we support this resolution as it stands currently as well.

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