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[DRAFT] World Space Initiative

Postby GraVandius » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:15 pm

World Space Initiative

This Assembly,
Endeavors to create a world wide effort to further the exploration and scientific study of space to lead to colonization of other planets.

Believes that more can be accomplished by one large space organization than many small nation lead ones.

Therefore establishes the World Space Initiative (WSI)


Resolves:
1. Creates the World Space Initiative Administration (WSIA)
a)WISA will determine what programs are needed to accomplish the finial end goal and any
other programs that would benefit humanity in the long run.

2. Creates the World Space Initiative Bank (WSIB)
a)The bank will take the entire funding of each member nation's current space programs to
finance WSI programs.
b)The bank also has the authority to give loans and payment to private industry to develop and
produce needed equipment for the WSI

3. Forbids member nations from from operating their own space programs due to the fact that it would be inefficient and undermine funding for the WSI.

4. Obligates member nation to continue providing inflation adjusted funding to the WSI as they would their own space programs.

5. Obligates the WSI to establish and meet clear deadlines on all it's programs under it's administration.

6. Affirms that in the case of the colonization of another planet land would be held entirely by the World Assembly and may be divided how the sitting General Assembly Wishes.

7.Affirms that in the case of communication with aliens the WA and WSI will have the entirety of negotiating power and not individual nation shall have a exclusive treaty with extraterrestrials.

8. Affirms that all new technologies discovered or developed by the WSI or a company contracted by the WSI will be held by the WSI.


This Assembly,
Endevors to give nations a clear path to modernization, thus increasing their standard of living.

Resolves

1. Creates the World Space Initiative (WSI)

a)The WSI will help nations who wish to increase their economy
by expanding into interstellar markets.

b) The WSI through it's vast resources and singular effort, will
provide a cheaper path to modernization than one nation could
accomplish on it's own.

2. Creates the World Space Initiative Administration (WSIA)

a) The WSIA will keep the WSI organized, efficient and in complete compliance with all WA regulations.

3. Creates the World Space Initiative Bank (WSIB)

a) The WSI will be funded solely by harnessing the existing funding that participating nations already give to their own space programs.

b) Nations who choose not to participate in the WSI program are welcomed to give donations to help their fellow nations.

c)The WSIB has the authority to give loans and payments to organizations to fulfill the purpose of the initiative.

d) The WSIB will be subject to extensive evaluations by the GAO.

4. Creates the Interstellar Surveying office (ISO)

a)The ISO will keep detailed, up to date records on the ownership of interstellar land and space.

b) These records will be made entirely public to allow prevent confusion and unnecessary conflicts between businesses and nations over land/Space.

6. Creates the Office for the Conservation of Space (OCP)

a)The office will work with nations and private industry to limit the amount of space junk in space.

b)The OCP has the authority to fine organizations for repeated and belligerent refusals to clean up space debris that they are responsible for.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:33 pm

"This hot mess is untenable. The C.D.S.P. will continue it's space militarization programs independant of the WA, will control it's own territory, and will colonize whatever planets it discovers first. If the WA can't make it to space, that's it's own damn problem. I imagine the interstellar empires of the Assembly will have a field day with this."

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Postby Tinfect » Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:45 pm

"Ambassador, Are you high?
You have just proposed taking 70% of the Imperial Military, and Research budgets, and, completely dissolving both the entire Imperial Interstellar Forces, and most of the Imperial Government otherwise, and you would be removing our ability to make contact with the great number of Species that exist outside our borders, and dividing up our Colonies among Member States.
You have clearly not thought this through, Ambassador. Drop this, before you do something you are going to regret."
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Postby GraVandius » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:52 pm

Tinfect wrote:"Ambassador, Are you high?
You have just proposed taking 70% of the Imperial Military, and Research budgets, and, completely dissolving both the entire Imperial Interstellar Forces, and most of the Imperial Government otherwise, and you would be removing our ability to make contact with the great number of Species that exist outside our borders, and dividing up our Colonies among Member States.
You have clearly not thought this through, Ambassador. Drop this, before you do something you are going to regret."

This does not apply to things like military satilites.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:55 pm

3. Forbids member nations from from operating their own space programs due to the fact that it would be inefficient and undermine funding for the WSI.

No. Many times No. It is no business of the WA what space programs any nation operates. Particularly when the reasoning is "WE want the money instead!"
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:03 pm

GraVandius wrote:This does not apply to things like military satilites.


"Ambassador, who ever said anything about Military Satellites? You would be annihilating the entire Imperial Navy, the Interstellar Armed Forces, as well as the Resource Acquisition, Colony Development, Resource Distribution, Research, and Development, and would be redistributing Imperial Territory, most of which has been in our possession for centuries, to the World Assembly Member States.
That, is unacceptable, surely you can see that?"
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Postby GraVandius » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:32 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
3. Forbids member nations from from operating their own space programs due to the fact that it would be inefficient and undermine funding for the WSI.

No. Many times No. It is no business of the WA what space programs any nation operates. Particularly when the reasoning is "WE want the money instead!"


Sir,
will all due respect, I fear that you do not see the clear problem with many nations having their own programs. They will all atempt to acomplish the same goals in competition while spending huge quanites of resources in the process. At the same time if there is one organization the goal gets acomplished once with considerably less resources expended.

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Postby GraVandius » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:42 pm

Tinfect wrote:
GraVandius wrote:This does not apply to things like military satilites.


"Ambassador, who ever said anything about Military Satellites? You would be annihilating the entire Imperial Navy, the Interstellar Armed Forces, as well as the Resource Acquisition, Colony Development, Resource Distribution, Research, and Development, and would be redistributing Imperial Territory, most of which has been in our possession for centuries, to the World Assembly Member States.
That, is unacceptable, surely you can see that?"


Sir, I think you missunderstand what i ment by space programs. I was thinking more like NASA then Star Fleet. so the funding for all your millitary ships/wepons ext would not be considered space funding accesable by the WSIB.
As for the issue of existing land holdings i would be happy to add "as a result of WSI activites" to resolve #6 so it would clearly exist colonies that existed before the WSI existed.

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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:55 pm

Okay, let's get a few things straight here......

GraVandius wrote:Endeavors to create a world wide effort to further the exploration and scientific study of space to lead to colonization of other planets.

We have Intergalactic Federations and nations that aren't even past the stone age. Define world wide please.

GraVandius wrote:World Space Initiative

a)The bank will take the entire funding of each member nation's current space programs to
finance WSI programs.
b)The bank also has the authority to give loans and payment to private industry to develop and
produce needed equipment for the WSI.

So you want to take our money and put it in something we don't have control of? Get that bullshit out the door.

GraVandius wrote:3. Forbids member nations from from operating their own space programs due to the fact that it would be inefficient and undermine funding for the WSI.

Again, oppressive micromanagement.

GraVandius wrote:6. Affirms that in the case of the colonization of another planet land would be held entirely by the World Assembly and may be divided how the sitting General Assembly Wishes.

You are implying that the World Assembly, with hundreds of thousands of planets across the Multiverse, would want to waste it's time on dividing up the land of a single planet? This is wasting our time and our money.

GraVandius wrote:7.Affirms that in the case of communication with aliens the WA and WSI will have the entirety of negotiating power and not individual nation shall have a exclusive treaty with extraterrestrials.

You just completely dissolved the sovereignty of all extraterrestrial World Assembly nations. Good job.

GraVandius wrote:8. Affirms that all new technologies discovered or developed by the WSI or a company contracted by the WSI will be held by the WSI.

Good luck inventing something that can be patented when there is hundred of competing nations with far more advanced technology than you can even think of.
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Postby Tinfect » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:06 pm

GraVandius wrote:Sir, I think you misunderstand what I meant by space programs. I was thinking more like NASA than Star Fleet. so the funding for all your military ships/weapons ect. would not be considered space funding accessible by the WSI.
As for the issue of existing land holdings i would be happy to add "as a result of WSI activities" to resolve #6 so it would clearly exclude colonies that existed before the WSI existed.


"Then you are continuing to cripple our Research and Development, as well as our Resource Acquisition Division. Further, you would be crippling Imperial Expansion, as we would be required to divide our later colonies, seized through Warfare, or simple Colonization, between Member States. This, alone, would destroy the Imperial Border Security, as well as our Economy. We will not be sharing our Resources, and Territory with other nations."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:53 pm

GraVandius wrote:As for the issue of existing land holdings i would be happy to add "as a result of WSI activites" to resolve #6 so it would clearly exist colonies that existed before the WSI existed.

"And in the process give those entities with colonies already established a huge advantage against up-and-coming powers. There is no reason the WA should interfere whatsoever with our funding priorities, regardless of how wasteful they may be."

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Postby Gogol Transcendancy » Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:53 am

Given that our civilisation is formed entirely out of uploads and AIs located on space based platforms, we oppose this to the greatest possible extent.

Seriously though, a total ban on abortion or nuclear weapons has better odds of passing than this. Us FT nations aren't going to let the WA take our ships away.


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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:57 am

GraVandius wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
3. Forbids member nations from from operating their own space programs due to the fact that it would be inefficient and undermine funding for the WSI.

No. Many times No. It is no business of the WA what space programs any nation operates. Particularly when the reasoning is "WE want the money instead!"


Sir,
will all due respect, I fear that you do not see the clear problem with many nations having their own programs. They will all atempt to acomplish the same goals in competition while spending huge quanites of resources in the process. At the same time if there is one organization the goal gets acomplished once with considerably less resources expended.

This is no different than mandating the WA own and operate all merchant shipping as they all have the same goal, movibg goods from point A to point B.
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Postby Gogol Transcendancy » Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:40 am

For another thing, the tech sharing means that PT nations would have access to antimatter rockets if this passes. This propsal is utterly ridiculous.


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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:04 am

May we suggest that if the good ambassador wishes to pass any legislation involving space travel, they focus on more pressing needs?

We see no need for a joint WA space exploration body. We could see the need for legislation regarding the increased amount of space debris, or even legislation regarding the proper disposal of objects in danger of falling to earth, both of these could be considered international issues.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:09 am

OOC: Slow down, pal. Get some experience debating. Don't just throw stuff against the wall hoping it sticks. I made the same mistake, and I don't want you to as well.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
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Postby Greater Soviet Ukraine » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:10 am

Caracasus wrote:May we suggest that if the good ambassador wishes to pass any legislation involving space travel, they focus on more pressing needs?

We see no need for a joint WA space exploration body. We could see the need for legislation regarding the increased amount of space debris, or even legislation regarding the proper disposal of objects in danger of falling to earth, both of these could be considered international issues.

*Snorts* Buddy, you just haven't been here long enough. Those two proposals have crashed and burned already.

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Postby Caracasus » Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:14 am

Greater Soviet Ukraine wrote:
Caracasus wrote:May we suggest that if the good ambassador wishes to pass any legislation involving space travel, they focus on more pressing needs?

We see no need for a joint WA space exploration body. We could see the need for legislation regarding the increased amount of space debris, or even legislation regarding the proper disposal of objects in danger of falling to earth, both of these could be considered international issues.

*Snorts* Buddy, you just haven't been here long enough. Those two proposals have crashed and burned already.


We were merely suggesting a possible, realistic area for legislation surrounding space travel.
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Postby Belivonia » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:37 pm

This level of International Federalisation is not recognized by the majority of member states
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Postby Astrolands » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:00 pm

At first I supported but abolishing all space programs. Thats just unfair

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Postby Wrapper » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:15 pm

Caracasus wrote:We were merely suggesting a possible, realistic area for legislation surrounding space travel.

Realistic? It is not realistic, Ambassador, to expect advanced nations like ours to abruptly shut down our space program and share our technology with those civilizations that are not advanced enough to receive it or even understand it. Could you imagine, for example, giving gunpowder to a caveman? What do you suppose that caveman would do? If he doesn't try to eat it, he'll no doubt blow himself into tiny bits. And we, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, will not be responsible for blowing cavemen into tiny bits.

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Postby Losthaven » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:26 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Caracasus wrote:We were merely suggesting a possible, realistic area for legislation surrounding space travel.

Realistic? It is not realistic, Ambassador, to expect advanced nations like ours to abruptly shut down our space program and share our technology with those civilizations that are not advanced enough to receive it or even understand it. Could you imagine, for example, giving gunpowder to a caveman? What do you suppose that caveman would do? If he doesn't try to eat it, he'll no doubt blow himself into tiny bits. And we, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, will not be responsible for blowing cavemen into tiny bits.

To be fair, I believe Caracasus was suggesting the author abandon this tract to focus on something else to do with space that might be more fruitful.

We agree that while space exploration and cooperation are a good idea, there's absolutely no reason to prevent individual member nations from maintaining their own space programs.
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Postby Gogol Transcendancy » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:27 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Caracasus wrote:We were merely suggesting a possible, realistic area for legislation surrounding space travel.

Realistic? It is not realistic, Ambassador, to expect advanced nations like ours to abruptly shut down our space program and share our technology with those civilizations that are not advanced enough to receive it or even understand it. Could you imagine, for example, giving gunpowder to a caveman? What do you suppose that caveman would do? If he doesn't try to eat it, he'll no doubt blow himself into tiny bits. And we, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, will not be responsible for blowing cavemen into tiny bits.

And Caracasus isn't supporting that. He's saying that legislation forcing nations to properly dispose of their space debris could be a good idea.


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Postby Wrapper » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:31 pm

Gogol Transcendancy wrote:
Wrapper wrote:Realistic? It is not realistic, Ambassador, to expect advanced nations like ours to abruptly shut down our space program and share our technology with those civilizations that are not advanced enough to receive it or even understand it. Could you imagine, for example, giving gunpowder to a caveman? What do you suppose that caveman would do? If he doesn't try to eat it, he'll no doubt blow himself into tiny bits. And we, the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper, will not be responsible for blowing cavemen into tiny bits.

And Caracasus isn't supporting that. He's saying that legislation forcing nations to properly dispose of their space debris could be a good idea.

Sigh. We really do need a vacation. Although the two ambassadors do look vaguely alike... from a distance... a long, long distance.... and the shields on their flags, do kind of look... ummm...

That one's an elephant's head, isn't it?
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Postby GraVandius » Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:34 pm

Whilst this program is awful i will post a new better version that eliminates all the things you guys/girls/aleins had a problem with. So stay tuned :) :)

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