Repeal "Reproductive Freedoms"

[Defwa]

I'd argue your government isn't the one carrying around a collection of cells in it's womb - so it shouldn't be the final authority on the matter.

Funny that you should say so! Former Stelloni president Jody Smith was elected president while pregnant. She was a pro-lifer.

Okay? And Defwa's current High Wizard has had four abortions. That has nothing to do with the point the ambassador was trying to make.

Lets not deprive people of the choice to choose what happens in their body because of the decision of completely uninvolved people. The right to control your own body, and decline to grow other bodies within it or have your body used against your will, is a basic human right that must be upheld.

[Stellonia]

Lets not deprive people of the choice to choose what happens in their body because of the decision of completely uninvolved people. The right to control your own body, and decline to grow other bodies within it or have your body used against your will, is a basic human right that must be upheld.

Do you believe that a fetus is a part of his or her mother's body? Also, you forgot an apostrophe. Next time you state your opinion on such a controversial topic as abortion, please watch your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. If you can't do that yourself, then find someone who can do it for you.
As much as I oppose abortion, I believe that the flaws of GAR #286 should be taken into account as well as its arbitrary declarations on morality and ethics.

[Defwa]

Lets not deprive people of the choice to choose what happens in their body because of the decision of completely uninvolved people. The right to control your own body, and decline to grow other bodies within it or have your body used against your will, is a basic human right that must be upheld.

Do you believe that a fetus is a part of his or her mother's body? Also, you forgot an apostrophe. Next time you state your opinion on such a controversial topic as abortion, please watch your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. If you can't do that yourself, then find someone who can do it for you.
As much as I oppose abortion, I believe that the flaws of GAR #286 should be taken into account as well as its arbitrary declarations on morality and ethics.

O'h, my god an apos'tro'phe! I, am so sorry! Hope'fully, the World Assembly, surv'ives this cat'as'trophe.

Regardless of whether you consider a fetus a part of it's carrier or an independent body unto itself, the Defwaen policy remains the same. Every person has the right to control what happens in their body by any means necessary. This includes removal of parts (or people, if you so deem them) that they do not want.

How was the WA's decision arbitrary? I'm not sure how that word applies here. As far as I see it, though, the WA has not forced anyone to do anything. It has merely mandated that everyone has an individual choice.

[Caracasus]

Lets not deprive people of the choice to choose what happens in their body because of the decision of completely uninvolved people. The right to control your own body, and decline to grow other bodies within it or have your body used against your will, is a basic human right that must be upheld.

Do you believe that a fetus is a part of his or her mother's body? Also, you forgot an apostrophe. Next time you state your opinion on such a controversial topic as abortion, please watch your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. If you can't do that yourself, then find someone who can do it for you.
As much as I oppose abortion, I believe that the flaws of GAR #286 should be taken into account as well as its arbitrary declarations on morality and ethics.

We're a little more concerned with Defwa's run-on sentences to be honest. That is, fortunately, irrelevant. We can understand perfectly what the good ambassador is saying in this instance. Defwa makes a good point. We are also a little concerned that attacking the spelling, punctuation and grammar of an ambassador's post when it does not hinder the clarity of their message, is tantamount to admitting that the ambassador is right, and all you can fault them on are technicalities.

As I am sure you are aware ambassador, terminations of pregnancy are not carried out when the fetus is viable for survival outside the mother's womb. We would argue this makes the fetus part of the mother's body.

[Hirota]

Next time you state your opinion on such a controversial topic as abortion, please watch your spelling, grammar, and punctuation. If you can't do that yourself, then find someone who can do it for you.

And the next time you want to try and state your opinion, perhaps do it without turning into a pedantic little twerp, ambassador.

Funny that you should say so! Former Stelloni president Jody Smith was elected president while pregnant. She was a pro-lifer.

And 487 years ago, former Hirotan president Tsubasa Sora was elected president whilst having something akin to vaccuum cleaner attached to in an intimate place in the local emergency ward.

It's almost as if irrelevant tosh like being pregnant, or intimate with cleaning implements makes no difference on their capacity to govern...

[Stellonia]

As far as I see it, though, the WA has not forced anyone to do anything. It has merely mandated that everyone has an individual choice.

The World Assembly has not forced anyone to do anything. The World Assembly has merely prohibited governments (excluding mine, which has banned abortion in direct violation of GA Resolutions #128 and #286) from protecting people from their choices. As the aforementioned Jody Smith once said during a debate, "Man's greatest enemy is sometimes his own volition."

[Mousebumples]

As far as I see it, though, the WA has not forced anyone to do anything. It has merely mandated that everyone has an individual choice.

The World Assembly has not forced anyone to do anything. The World Assembly has merely prohibited governments (excluding mine, which has banned abortion in direct violation of GA Resolutions #128 and #286) from protecting people from their choices. As the aforementioned Jody Smith once said during a debate, "Man's greatest enemy is sometimes his own volition."

How excellent for your female citizens that your government doesn't trust their ability to decide for themselves what's best for their bodies and their futures.

I hope all females in Stellonia are aware that should they wish to immigrate to Mousebumples, they would be more than welcome.

[Defwa]

As far as I see it, though, the WA has not forced anyone to do anything. It has merely mandated that everyone has an individual choice.

The World Assembly has not forced anyone to do anything. The World Assembly has merely prohibited governments (excluding mine, which has banned abortion in direct violation of GA Resolutions #128 and #286) from protecting people from their choices. As the aforementioned Jody Smith once said during a debate, "Man's greatest enemy is sometimes his own volition."

Yes and Defwa, in one extremely long but still comfortable bus, has rescued all the people in Stellonia from its oppressive government and Stellonia's population now consists of five government officials and an army of cardboard cut outs.

OOC: See? I can make ridiculous godmoding statements too. If you're not going to play by the rules of the game, why play at all?

[Separatist Peoples]

As far as I see it, though, the WA has not forced anyone to do anything. It has merely mandated that everyone has an individual choice.

The World Assembly has not forced anyone to do anything. The World Assembly has merely prohibited governments (excluding mine, which has banned abortion in direct violation of GA Resolutions #128 and #286) from protecting people from their choices. As the aforementioned Jody Smith once said during a debate, "Man's greatest enemy is sometimes his own volition."

"If your nation will not follow the laws of the World Assembly, why the hell should we support your drafting? Clearly the law existing doesn't stop your nation from doing anything, so what's the point of repealing in the first place?"

[Stellonia]

I hope all females in Stellonia are aware that should they wish to immigrate to Mousebumples, they would be more than welcome.

Stellonis are fiercely patriotic, and would not emigrate to a foreign country simply because of its policies on abortion. Besides, it is illegal to obtain an abortion in a foreign country, or to leave the country for that purpose.

[Stellonia]

"If your nation will not follow the laws of the World Assembly, why the hell should we support your drafting? Clearly the law existing doesn't stop your nation from doing anything, so what's the point of repealing in the first place?"

Some WA member nations are unaware of the fact that they can violate a World Assembly Resolution and not be punished. I blatantly and openly violated two, and no one has taken action against me. Sadly, though, nations rarely discuss the topic of disobeying the World Assembly in public, so they do not know that they are safe in enacting laws in direct violation of the WA's policies.

[Separatist Peoples]

"If your nation will not follow the laws of the World Assembly, why the hell should we support your drafting? Clearly the law existing doesn't stop your nation from doing anything, so what's the point of repealing in the first place?"

Some WA member nations are unaware of the fact that they can violate a World Assembly Resolution and not be punished. I blatantly and openly violated two, and no one has taken action against me. Sadly, though, nations rarely discuss the topic of disobeying the World Assembly in public, so they do not know that they are safe in enacting laws in direct violation of the WA's policies.

OOC: noncompliance is generally considered godmodding in the GA and results in players ignoring your input. That is why it is rarely discussed. All this sort of RP does is make the game less fun for everybody to play. You want to be noncompliant? Great. Don't do it here, please.

IC: "Yet the Compliance Commission ensures laws are changed. In fact, I guarantee that as a WA member, your nation received notification that it's laws were changed. It's a condition of membership."

[Separatist Peoples]

I hope all females in Stellonia are aware that should they wish to immigrate to Mousebumples, they would be more than welcome.

Stellonis are fiercely patriotic, and would not emigrate to a foreign country simply because of its policies on abortion. Besides, it is illegal to obtain an abortion in a foreign country, or to leave the country for that purpose.

"Right. Fortunately, the C.D.S.P. can offer physical and legal asylum in case some of your fiercely patriotic citizens wakes up and realizes they are being oppressed."

[Stellonia]

"Right. Fortunately, the C.D.S.P. can offer physical and legal asylum in case some of your fiercely patriotic citizens wakes up and realizes they are being oppressed."

In what sense are our citizens being oppressed. They voluntarily elected a federal government that encouraged the democratically elected governments of the states to ban abortion in all instances. All of the states followed this encouragement, except for North Banematera, which still allows abortion to save the mother's life. In fact, 13 of the 22 states held referendums on the subject of abortion, and in all of the referendums, it was decided that abortion would be banned. Please do not deceive yourself or anyone else into believing that we are oppressing our people simply by banning abortion, even though we grant all of our citizens free speech, a free press, the right to petition, freedom of religion, freedom of movement, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, the right to a fair trial, the right to habeas corpus, the right to vote in free, fair elections, and the right to privacy without abridgment or partiality.

[Defwa]

"If your nation will not follow the laws of the World Assembly, why the hell should we support your drafting? Clearly the law existing doesn't stop your nation from doing anything, so what's the point of repealing in the first place?"

Some WA member nations are unaware of the fact that they can violate a World Assembly Resolution and not be punished. I blatantly and openly violated two, and no one has taken action against me. Sadly, though, nations rarely discuss the topic of disobeying the World Assembly in public, so they do not know that they are safe in enacting laws in direct violation of the WA's policies.

This man is clearly insane. Almost like that janitor that claims to be from a trillion planet empire.

[Frisbeeteria]

IC: "Yet the Compliance Commission ensures laws are changed. In fact, I guarantee that as a WA member, your nation received notification that it's laws were changed. It's a condition of membership."

Official position: pretty much this.

OOC: noncompliance is generally considered godmodding in the GA and results in players ignoring your input. That is why it is rarely discussed. All this sort of RP does is make the game less fun for everybody to play. You want to be noncompliant? Great. Don't do it here, please.

Also pretty much this. What you're describing is roleplay, and should be played out in a roleplay environment with other players who don't care about your godmodding. Which is why I've just locked your thread in Gameplay, a thread that has nothing whatsoever to do with playing this game.

Some WA member nations are unaware of the fact that they can violate a World Assembly Resolution and not be punished.

What are you expecting? That a moderator is going to jump out of your USB port and slap you upside the head? Believe me, if we could, we would.

No, your punishment is that no one will ever take anything you say seriously, since you've chosen to ignore game rules. If you want to, resign in protest like everyone else who gets a bug up their butt about something they don't agree with. Then we can all mock your nation and steal your office supplies.

[Caracasus]

Did someone say office supplies?

[Atomic Utopia]

Office supplies! I really need a replacement for my plutonium food heating unit, do you know if the delegate that may resign has one? Those things are expensive you know.

[Stellonia]

Sorry. We do not have any plutonium powered thingies to heat food.

[Stellonia]

If you really insist upon forcing your policies upon the World Assembly, I will write you a revised edition that does not mention national sovereignty or the controversy that is associated with abortion. Then you can come up with some more explanations as to why you support GAR #286 and oppose this repeal. Here is the draft that I hope you will like:

Description: WA General Assembly Resolution #286: Reproductive Freedoms (Category: Human Rights; Strength: Significant) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

Argument: Understanding that General Assembly Resolution #286, "Reproductive Freedoms", is intended to protect the right of women to terminate their pregnancies,

Noting that the term "abortion" is defined as "the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy",

Concluding, therefore, that abortion and the termination of pregnancy are the same thing,

Noting that said resolution legalizes sex-selective abortion,

Regretting that sex-selective abortion may result in extreme discrepancies in a nation's population, which could have disastrous consequences,

Acknowledging that nations therefore have a compelling need to regulate or ban sex-selective abortions,

Also noting that said resolution legalizes abortion at all phases of pregnancy,

Concerned that this includes phases after fetal viability, when even pro-choice activists oppose abortion, as live birth is a far more practical option than abortion at that point,

Also concerned that nations may circumvent said resolution's legalization of abortion by banning all medical procedures that have a risk or complexity similar to abortion,

Believing that said resolution is written too poorly to meet the ideal standards for a World Assembly resolution,

And considering that had the members of the World Assembly understood the full effects of said resolution, they would have voted against it,

The World Assembly hereby repeals General Assembly Resolution #286, "Reproductive Freedoms."

[Kaboomlandia]

Put it in the OP and spoiler the old one, please.

[Hirota]

Noting that said resolution legalizes sex-selective abortion,

Regretting that sex-selective abortion may result in extreme discrepancies in a nation's population, which could have disastrous consequences,

Utterly failing to identify the flaw in this reasoning that I pointed out.

Also noting that said resolution legalizes abortion at all phases of pregnancy,

Concerned that this includes phases after fetal viability, when even pro-choice activists oppose abortion, as live birth is a far more practical option than abortion at that point,

There are plenty of things that can happen that do require a late term abortion to save the life of the mother. Also I would note a number of nations have observed that whilst all abortions are terminations of pregnancies, not all terminations of pregnancies have to be abortions - for example the act of giving birth terminates the status of pregnant, and even a natural miscarriage is a termination of pregnancy.

Also concerned that nations may circumvent said resolution's legalization of abortion by banning all medical procedures that have a risk or complexity similar to abortion,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_off_the_nose_to_spite_the_face

Believing that said resolution is written too poorly to meet the ideal standards for a World Assembly resolution,

And considering that had the members of the World Assembly understood the full effects of said resolution, they would have voted against it,

Given you didn't know about the nature of resolutions and noncompliance, it seems condescending and hilariously hypocritical for you to suggest you know better than other member states who have been here far longer and are far more versed in international legislation.

Opposed by the way. Most of this is hyperbolic nonsense, and the rest of it is condescending tosh.

[Separatist Peoples]

Sorry. We do not have any plutonium powered thingies to heat food.

OOC: what an excellent way to blatantly ignore everything just explained to you regarding noncompliance.

IC: "The new draft is as condescending and ill-considered as the last. Opposed."

[Caracasus]

Regretting that sex-selective abortion may result in extreme discrepancies in a nation's population, which could have disastrous consequences,

Acknowledging that nations therefore have a compelling need to regulate or ban sex-selective abortions,

Surely a nation state where the citizens favor one biological sex over the other to the point where they are willing, en mass to terminate enough fetuses to create an extreme discrepancy in the population has severe problems that would better be addressed through almost any other channel than banning sex selective abortions?

We feel you are clutching at straws and have generated a scenario that is so unlikely as to be dismissed as a negligible risk.

[Defwa]

If you really insist upon forcing your policies upon the World Assembly, I will write you a revised edition that does not mention national sovereignty or the controversy that is associated with abortion. Then you can come up with some more explanations as to why you support GAR #286 and oppose this repeal.

Why? You're only going to ignore our statements and the law?