[Passed] Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples"

[Imperium Anglorum]

Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples"
Category: Repeal

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Distressed and mortified that 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' would allow culturally distinct minority groups to circumvent the legitimate authority of member nations, as the resolution attempts to '[prohibit] member nations from ... limiting [indigenous] culture[s]' in clause (5),

Maintaining that it is a violation of human rights to make some groups 'more equal' than others,

Concerned that the resolution permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

Further disapproving of the resolution as it prohibits governments from pursuing public health initiatives or executing infrastructure programmes for economic development in their own sovereign territory if there are beliefs to the contrary,

Confident that international economic development is important for the functioning of the free society and building of the modern society,

The World Assembly hereby,

Repeals the resolution on the 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples'.

Discuss. Remember, it's best to be prepared.

Edit 1: Added comment.
Edit 2: Reordered clauses.
Edit 3: Added header and changed wording.
Edit 4: Fixed spacing error.
Edit 5: Added context per Sierra Lyricalia's request.
Edit 6: Added clause per Bears Armed's request.
Edit 7: Forgot the above edit tag.
Edit 8: Added context per Knootoss's request.
Edit 9: Accepted alternate interpretation of the definition of indigenous.
Edit 10: Changed wording. Added spoiler for Edits.
Edit 11: Added 'Approve Here' link to proposal.
Edit 12: Changed [Draft] to [Submitted]. Added link to the original resolution.
Edit 13: Changed [Submitted] to [In Queue]. 4 Jun 00:00:51 EST.
Edit 14: Corrected time stamp in above edit summary.
Edit 15: Removed 'Approve Here' link due to lack of relevance.
Edits 16-17: Admin edit (Mousebumples) to state that the resolution Passed.
Edit 18: Added above edit tag.

[Knootoss]

OOC: Rules are rules. I'd like to point out, though, that the proposal is currently 50/50 at vote so a campaign against it might help too!

[New Rhodinia]

Further disapproving of the resolution as it prohibits governments from providing healthcare and pursuing infrastructure programmes in sovereign territory if there are beliefs to the contrary,

This needs a bit of clarification. Are you saying that beliefs alone are capable of differentiating sovereign territory and indigenous land?

[Imperium Anglorum]

Further disapproving of the resolution as it prohibits governments from providing healthcare and pursuing infrastructure programmes in sovereign territory if there are beliefs to the contrary,

This needs a bit of clarification. Are you saying that beliefs alone are capable of differentiating sovereign territory and indigenous land?

Yes.

Prohibits member nations from forcibly assimilating indigenous peoples, or eradicating, reducing, or limiting their culture

The culturally distinct groups are capable of using the target resolution to refuse governments ability to provide healthcare programmes if it 'limits their culture'. For example, if the people in Bigtopia have a burial practice which leads to mass infection with a deadly disease, we can't do anything about that, since prohibiting it would 'limit their culture'.

Perhaps it should be changed to 'pursue public health initiatives'?

[Vancouvia]

If you were to replace the definition, what would you replace it with. I thought the definition was very strong. I realize not every country was colonized.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

This needs a bit of clarification. Are you saying that beliefs alone are capable of differentiating sovereign territory and indigenous land?

Yes.

Prohibits member nations from forcibly assimilating indigenous peoples, or eradicating, reducing, or limiting their culture

The culturally distinct groups are capable of using the target resolution to refuse governments ability to provide healthcare programmes if it 'limits their culture'. For example, if the people in Bigtopia have a burial practice which leads to mass infection with a deadly disease, we can't do anything about that, since prohibiting it would 'limit their culture'.

Perhaps it should be changed to 'pursue public health initiatives'?

This is actually a far more convincing argument against the version at vote than the hysterical pearl-clutching about some oncoming epidemic of ritual murders.

[Grays Harbor]

We did not read this repeal draft. We really do not need to as we will support near any repeal should the legislation somehow pass. You could list the lyrics to Bette Midler's greatest hits for the body of text (although we all know that would render it illegal, sadly) and we would support it.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Yes.


The culturally distinct groups are capable of using the target resolution to refuse governments ability to provide healthcare programmes if it 'limits their culture'. For example, if the people in Bigtopia have a burial practice which leads to mass infection with a deadly disease, we can't do anything about that, since prohibiting it would 'limit their culture'.

Perhaps it should be changed to 'pursue public health initiatives'?

This is actually a far more convincing argument against the version at vote than the hysterical pearl-clutching about some oncoming epidemic of ritual murders.

I will write a clause to address that forthwith!

[Bears Armed]

You could add that guaranteeing rights to "indigenous" peoples but not also to any other groups whose cultures differ from that of the dominant majority constitutes unfair discrimination against those other groups...

[Bananaistan]

Bananaistan will support this.

[Hirota]

[Objecting to a definition of 'indigenous' which presumes that all nations are colonised,

No, it doesn't. Read the text.

Defining indigenous as culturally-distinct peoples who inhabited a country before the arrival and their knowledge of a now-dominant culture or cultures;

Under the terms of the proposal at vote to be indigenous one has to be distinct from the now-dominant culture or cultures. If no such distinct culture pre-existed the current dominant culture, there is no indigenous culture.

[Imperium Anglorum]

You could add that guaranteeing rights to "indigenous" peoples but not also to any other groups whose cultures differ from that of the dominant majority constitutes unfair discrimination against those other groups...

Thank you!

[Separatist Peoples]

"Would support this if it included ABBA lyrics."

[Imperium Anglorum]

"Would support this if it included ABBA lyrics."

Night is young and the music's high
With a bit of rock music, everything is fine...

[Knootoss]

OOC: instead of using the word "this" I would suggest naming the resolution that is to be repealed in the first line.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: instead of using the word "this" I would suggest naming the resolution that is to be repealed in the first line.

Done.

[Celsuis]

"Seeing as the resolution at vote, 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples', will presumably pass, the delegation of Celsuis would like to announce its unconditional support for this draft. We applaud the author for his speedy efforts."

[Excidium Planetis]

While I, as the representative of my nation, voice my support for this repeal, I too object to the clause referring to the definition of indigenous. I found the definition sufficient, and it certainly did not assume all nations were colonized, merely that all nations with indigenous cultures were colonized.

[Imperium Anglorum]

While I, as the representative of my nation, voice my support for this repeal, I too object to the clause referring to the definition of indigenous. I found the definition sufficient, and it certainly did not assume all nations were colonized, merely that all nations with indigenous cultures were colonized.

I can see how that interpretation can happen. Since it is a reasonable interpretation that does not damage the politics of the repeal, I am inclined to agree. If there are no objections, I will be removing that clause from the repeal text in some time.

[Xecriussau]

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Repeal "Rights of Indigenous Peoples"
Category: Repeal

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Concerned that the resolution permits ritual murder, as ritual murders are not prohibited by international law,

Believing that ritual murder is immoral and a violation of human rights,

While your fascination with ritual murder is an admirable attempt at sensationalist drama, how would you defend this from the people who will simply state, "The 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' act is necessary and we only need to legislate ourselves around the problem of ritualistic murder by adding it as a crime to international law!"? I would further add that a cunning prosecutor would be able to show this is against several international laws already as it is not that difficult to formulate. Perhaps it should be stricken in its entirety?

As a replacement, I would mention the strife which would be created for these indigenous peoples to have their current crimes corrected by their host nations. Suppose an indigenous people are heavily invested in the slave trade and the host nation attempts to assimilate them. This could then possibly lead to increased acts of terrorism by the indigenous people upon their host nation. I think all could agree that slave trading is both morally and ethically wrong yet it does not invoke the sensationalist feelings which tend to cause people to shut down their thinking instead of engaging it.

However you decide, you have Xecriussau's support in this matter.

[Imperium Anglorum]

While your fascination with ritual murder is an admirable attempt at sensationalist drama, how would you defend this from the people who will simply state, "The 'Rights of Indigenous Peoples' act is necessary and we only need to legislate ourselves around the problem of ritualistic murder by adding it as a crime to international law!"?

Because that amount of legislation would never pass and be a massive waste of the World Assembly's time.

I would further add that a cunning prosecutor would be able to show this is against several international laws already as it is not that difficult to formulate. Perhaps it should be stricken in its entirety?

?! I'm entirely sure that there are no prohibitions of ritual murder in World Assembly law.

[Xecriussau]

?! I'm entirely sure that there are no prohibitions of ritual murder in World Assembly law.

My friend, one such example is already in an entirely different discussion.

[Excidium Planetis]

?! I'm entirely sure that there are no prohibitions of ritual murder in World Assembly law.

My friend, one such example is already in an entirely different discussion.

My "friend", that example has been refuted.

[Hackonia]

The nation of Hackonia stands in full support of this repeal effort. All citizens deserve equal protection under the law, indigenous or not.

[Xecriussau]

My friend, one such example is already in an entirely different discussion.

My "friend", that example has been refuted.

My friend, there have been numerous points made in my statement above that I would respectfully request having considered.