by CGP » Fri May 22, 2015 8:30 am
by The Dark Star Republic » Fri May 22, 2015 8:36 am
CGP wrote:Well,my proposal got put down due to it being in the wrong category.
by CGP » Fri May 22, 2015 8:39 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:CGP wrote:Well,my proposal got put down due to it being in the wrong category.
OOC: Did the moderator who removed it mention any other legality problems to you? Because even if you resubmitted this in the correct category - which would be Health, Area of Effect: Healthcare - there would appear to be other legality issues with it, such as duplicating existing law (Quality in Health Services).
by The Dark Star Republic » Fri May 22, 2015 8:42 am
by CGP » Fri May 22, 2015 8:47 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: Shocking.
I liked the needle exchange proposal. You might be better focusing on smaller topics like that, rather than trying to pass an omnibus healthcare proposal.
by The Dark Star Republic » Fri May 22, 2015 9:03 am
by CGP » Fri May 22, 2015 9:08 am
The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: You really should not have resubmitted this proposal. Even if the category is now fixed - I would argue it is, but I'm not in a position to give you a definitive answer on that - it definitely has other legality problems, including the conflict with existing law, the mentioning of another proposal within the text and the reference to your nation, and other problems. It was a shame the moderator who messaged you didn't see fit to mention these, but I would really recommend you ask for it to be pulled so you can fix the issues before the proposal is deleted.
by The Dark Star Republic » Fri May 22, 2015 9:11 am
CGP wrote:The Dark Star Republic wrote:OOC: You really should not have resubmitted this proposal. Even if the category is now fixed - I would argue it is, but I'm not in a position to give you a definitive answer on that - it definitely has other legality problems, including the conflict with existing law, the mentioning of another proposal within the text and the reference to your nation, and other problems. It was a shame the moderator who messaged you didn't see fit to mention these, but I would really recommend you ask for it to be pulled so you can fix the issues before the proposal is deleted.
The issue is how am I supposed to tell them to pull it down.
If thats the case I may as well work on tiny topics and not care about acts. Tiny or small topics dont really make people care about them so thats why you see most topics like the Program not going anywhere.
by Grays Harbor » Fri May 22, 2015 11:57 am
by Kaboomlandia » Fri May 22, 2015 4:40 pm
Concerned about drug usage and drug addiction or/and drug abuse.
The usage of needles for the ejection of drugs into ones body can lead to addiction,spreading of diseases and risk of fatality.
The Needle Exchange Program proposes the following in order to help lower the health risks of drug addiction:
a) The offering of clean syringes to Drug Addicts, thus reducing the risk of diseases or fatal dangers.
b) The offering of assistance in order to clean the Drug Addicts from their addictions,resulting in them living a normal life again.
In the long run,this program will result possible in the following:
a) Lowering fatalities due to diseases by dirty needles
b) Reducing drug abuse
c) Helping in reducing the number of drug addicts and/or drug abusers.
by CGP » Sat May 23, 2015 2:07 am
Kaboomlandia wrote:I liked your Needle Exchange Program proposal, it had possibilities.Concerned about drug usage and drug addiction or/and drug abuse.
The usage of needles for the ejection of drugs into ones body can lead to addiction,spreading of diseases and risk of fatality.
The Needle Exchange Program proposes the following in order to help lower the health risks of drug addiction:
a) The offering of clean syringes to Drug Addicts, thus reducing the risk of diseases or fatal dangers.
b) The offering of assistance in order to clean the Drug Addicts from their addictions,resulting in them living a normal life again.
In the long run,this program will result possible in the following:
a) Lowering fatalities due to diseases by dirty needles
b) Reducing drug abuse
c) Helping in reducing the number of drug addicts and/or drug abusers.
Text of that proposal in case you need it.
by Caracasus » Sat May 23, 2015 2:10 am
by CGP » Sat May 23, 2015 4:19 am
Caracasus wrote:Well, as a nation that has a very well funded national health service, Caracasus generally supports resolutions that would bring universal healthcare forward but as many have said above, this is a little too big to pass.
These are the aspects I liked a lot:
III. Health coverage in case of emergency (Good.)
IV. Needle exchange program (Although you've had the good sense to propose this separately, so doesn't need repeating)
V. Basic free vaccination. (Goes without saying - vaccination is at its most effective when the largest amount of people are vaccinated)
VII Free prescribed medication for the elderly and young. (Although you may have to limit this I guess - some medications are very expensive, and care of the elderly is also very expensive)
May we respectfully suggest breaking these up into separate proposals, and perhaps enlisting the help of others to present them to the WA?
In addition - perhaps some form of law that allows for basic medicines to be made free at point of access, provided someone can demonstrate an inability to pay otherwise would be beneficial - after all it would benefit wider society and keep infectious illnesses under control. For our more capitalist members, it would ensure that their armies of disposable labour are kept reasonably healthy.
I understand that in some of the poorest nations in our region, where people are rather poor and spread out and there is a lack of infrastructure and money to build clinics and hospitals, individuals are trained up as doctors in basic preventative medicine and given a selection of basic medicines. They then cover a large range of villages and towns, on a rotating basis. Perhaps some WA funded effort like this would be in order? After all, we cannot assume that every WA member state has the resources to construct a decent system of healthcare.
by Caracasus » Sat May 23, 2015 5:36 am
CGP wrote:Caracasus wrote:Well, as a nation that has a very well funded national health service, Caracasus generally supports resolutions that would bring universal healthcare forward but as many have said above, this is a little too big to pass.
These are the aspects I liked a lot:
III. Health coverage in case of emergency (Good.)
IV. Needle exchange program (Although you've had the good sense to propose this separately, so doesn't need repeating)
V. Basic free vaccination. (Goes without saying - vaccination is at its most effective when the largest amount of people are vaccinated)
VII Free prescribed medication for the elderly and young. (Although you may have to limit this I guess - some medications are very expensive, and care of the elderly is also very expensive)
May we respectfully suggest breaking these up into separate proposals, and perhaps enlisting the help of others to present them to the WA?
In addition - perhaps some form of law that allows for basic medicines to be made free at point of access, provided someone can demonstrate an inability to pay otherwise would be beneficial - after all it would benefit wider society and keep infectious illnesses under control. For our more capitalist members, it would ensure that their armies of disposable labour are kept reasonably healthy.
I understand that in some of the poorest nations in our region, where people are rather poor and spread out and there is a lack of infrastructure and money to build clinics and hospitals, individuals are trained up as doctors in basic preventative medicine and given a selection of basic medicines. They then cover a large range of villages and towns, on a rotating basis. Perhaps some WA funded effort like this would be in order? After all, we cannot assume that every WA member state has the resources to construct a decent system of healthcare.
I understand and completely approve of your ideas but I can do it on my own to present them,except if you want to change the way some of them can be written. I dont want to appear selfish but I mostly want to present my proposals as I believe I know better what I want to write about them exactly,but I guess I could use some help writing or some help with any mistakes or typos that might happen.
by Kaboomlandia » Sat May 23, 2015 9:18 am
CGP wrote:Kaboomlandia wrote:I liked your Needle Exchange Program proposal, it had possibilities.Concerned about drug usage and drug addiction or/and drug abuse.
The usage of needles for the ejection of drugs into ones body can lead to addiction,spreading of diseases and risk of fatality.
The Needle Exchange Program proposes the following in order to help lower the health risks of drug addiction:
a) The offering of clean syringes to Drug Addicts, thus reducing the risk of diseases or fatal dangers.
b) The offering of assistance in order to clean the Drug Addicts from their addictions,resulting in them living a normal life again.
In the long run,this program will result possible in the following:
a) Lowering fatalities due to diseases by dirty needles
b) Reducing drug abuse
c) Helping in reducing the number of drug addicts and/or drug abusers.
Text of that proposal in case you need it.
Yeah but it didn't get approved. I will propose it later again after the right to bear arms goes on voting.
by The Dark Star Republic » Sat May 23, 2015 9:21 am
by Harmia » Sat May 23, 2015 2:18 pm
by Imperium Anglorum » Sat May 23, 2015 3:06 pm
Harmia wrote:However, unless the will of a nation's people is for more spending on healthcare it is wrong to impose these things on a nation.
by Harmia » Sat May 23, 2015 6:51 pm
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Harmia wrote:However, unless the will of a nation's people is for more spending on healthcare it is wrong to impose these things on a nation.
Parsons balks. Then, he says 'And your nation is alright with forcing everyone to legalise firearms even if their nation's people are against it, but not spend more on healthcare?'.
by Alvisiror » Sun May 24, 2015 9:35 am
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