[DEFEATED] The Right to Bear Arms

[Ainocra]

Who are these Wring people you are discriminating against?

Surely that's not equal representation under the law, or perhaps branding

[Wring Empire]

Who are these Wring people you are discriminating against?

Surely that's not equal representation under the law, or perhaps branding

Knowing that keeping the guns out of the hands of the wring people is necessary

WHAT is dis NONSENSE? You want to keep de guns out of our hands? Fine den, we shoot you with our feet! WAHAHAHAHAHA!

HEREBY MANDATES that gun ownership shall be made legal in all World Assemble member countries.

Oh. Well. Dat's okay den.

BUT STILL! We want guns in our hands, not our feet! You hear me? WAAAAH! HAHAHAHA!

[Three Weasels]

Also, for the record, I am not saying how you regulate guns. All this resolution is doing is speaking out against a complete gun ban, you can still regulate the f*ck out of people if you want, as long as it's not a 100% ban.

Which line in the proposal gives WA Nations the right to regulate gun ownership? I only see the line that mandates the legalization of gun ownership.

Implicit. It doesn't prohibit regulation, therefore it's logical to assume its implied.

[Tinfect]

"Ambassador, not only are your arguments Simplistic, unconvincing, and generally inane, you leave little to no room for regulation on the sort of weapons that can be purchased. Under this proposal, it would be legal for an Imperial Citizen to own, a, for example, K25 - Anti-Vehicle Rifle, capable of destroying, or disabling a light to moderately armored vehicle in as little as 2 rounds. Now, seeing as how you failed to mandate that we allow the sale of Firearms, they would be unable to obtain one without going through illegal means, thus rendering your mandate of legal firearm ownership, pointless.

As for your arguments, your statement that "is necessary to allow civilians to defend themselves from both criminals and corrupt governments.
" Not only assumes that a Citizen does not have access to other, non-lethal methods of defense, but also, that our Internal Security forces are incapable of dealing with such issues without civilian interference, which is simply untrue. As for a citizen needing to defend itself from a "Corrupt Government", it seems like an attack on "Dictatorship" governments, such as the Imperium. Our citizens are perfectly happy with their Government, and those that are not a fully welcome to file a complaint with their local Civil Oversight Department. They are not, however, permitted to fire lethal, or non-lethal weaponry at Internal Security.

The Imperium is opposed, and will not be changing its position so long as this proposal is under consideration. If you can come up with one that is worth a real debate, then we will consider it."

[Wolvershire]

I would like to warn the Assembly that this motion would bring crime and chaos not only to the streets of Wolvershire but to every World Assembly member state. Police and other law enforcement agencies are perfectly capable to maintain law and order, unqualified civilian vigilantes would only raise the crime-related death toll. Furthermore, it is unclear as to what extent the gun regulations of each individual state would allow weapons. This is an irresponsible bill and the Dominion of Wolvershire wishes to warn member states of the destructive implications of a right to bear arms.

[Flibbleites]

I would like to warn the Assembly that this motion would bring crime and chaos not only to the streets of Wolvershire but to every World Assembly member state.

Hey chicken little, you're wrong. The Rogue Nation of Flibbleites has fairly lax laws with regards to what weapons civilians are allowed to possess and crime is totally unknown in our nation.

Bob Flibble
WA Representative

[Three Weasels]

I would like to warn the Assembly that this motion would bring crime and chaos not only to the streets of Wolvershire but to every World Assembly member state. Police and other law enforcement agencies are perfectly capable to maintain law and order, unqualified civilian vigilantes would only raise the crime-related death toll. This is an irresponsible bill and the Dominion of Wolvershire wishes to warn member states of the destructive implications of a right to bear arms.

Essentially, this proposal prevents total prohibition but still leaves room for punitive regulation. Nothing within the text of the proposal prevents governments from requiring background checks, licenses, proper training, restriction of military-grade arm arms. That said, we don't support this proposal. However, it's probably one of the better attempts.

[Shazbotdom]

I would like to warn the Assembly that this motion would bring crime and chaos not only to the streets of Wolvershire but to every World Assembly member state. Police and other law enforcement agencies are perfectly capable to maintain law and order, unqualified civilian vigilantes would only raise the crime-related death toll. This is an irresponsible bill and the Dominion of Wolvershire wishes to warn member states of the destructive implications of a right to bear arms.

Essentially, this proposal prevents total prohibition but still leaves room for punitive regulation. Nothing within the text of the proposal prevents governments from requiring background checks, licenses, proper training, restriction of military-grade arm arms. That said, we don't support this proposal. However, it's probably one of the better attempts.

Erm.
With the mistakes in it, I would not call this one of the better attempts.

[Bestralia]

This is a matter best left to regulation on a domestic level. Furthermore, firearm ownership should not be a right, it should be a privilege; by making it a right, the population is easily armed which leads to a rise in violent crime and a culture of violence.
In short, it's a no.

[Three Weasels]

Erm.
With the mistakes in it, I would not call this one of the better attempts.

Compared to the typical drek...

[The Dark Star Republic]

Erm.
With the mistakes in it, I would not call this one of the better attempts.

OOC: It shows one of the perennial biases of the WA. This looks like a proposal, set out all neatly with introductory/activating verbs. Stuff like that is generally given a pass where better proposals not written in that style aren't.

[Old Hope]

We could easily have written a better worded proposal within minutes.
The only difference between the usual submitted garbage and this is that this somehow got into queue.
The approving nations should look at this proposal again, feel ashamed, and drop their approval.

[Outer Sparta]

The proposal says, "Hereby Mandates that gun ownership shall be made legal in all World Assemble member countries." If this passed, I'm pretty sure I'll violate WA laws since I have a ban on guns...
Also, it has lots of typos and it's in queue? How???? Voting against.

[Imperium Anglorum]

The proposal says, "Hereby Mandates that gun ownership shall be made legal in all World Assemble member countries." If this passed, I'm pretty sure I'll violate WA laws since I have a ban on guns...
Also, it has lots of typos and it's in queue? How????

I presume because some WA nations want to enforce legalisation of firearms on other nations (which is, incidentally, why I cannot support this proposal).

[The Dark Star Republic]

it's in queue? How????

OOC: The telegram system.

[Blaccakre]

I urge all freedom loving nations to pass this law! Everyone should have a gun to protect their family, hunt dangerous or delicious animals, and keep the king of England out of your face.

[Defwa]

I urge all freedom loving nations to pass this law! Everyone should have a gun to protect their family, hunt dangerous or delicious animals, and keep the king of England out of your face.

If it weren't for Defwa's ban on guns (a temporary measure during the end of the civil war) we would have never been able to cut weapon supplies to Fitwin militants and unite the country against violent separtists.

I don't know who your King of England is but a blanket international ban or legalization is not wise. At least not when done with such an uncompromising brush.

[Wring People]

A gruff-looking man with a prickly beard, a straw hat and a suspiciously thick coat takes the stage. He spits on the floor before proceeding to address the Assembly in a distinct accent.

"Varmintss of th' Wo'ld Assembly! Fry mah hide!

On beha'f of th' Wrin' People ah muss strongly protess this resolushun. While it claims t'be pro-gun an' is marked as "relaxin'" gun corntrol measures, it explicitly targits our Armed Republic by statin' thet - - an' ah's quotin' now - "keepin' th' guns outta th' han's of th' wrin' people is necessary".

We haf done nothin' t'desarve sech corndemnashun, havin' obtained our liberty fum an oppressive Federal govment by an' through th' fo'ce of arms, jest as th' resolushun says we sh'd have. A man's got a right t'own a gun t'keep his propuhty secure, even eff'n, especially eff'n, he is a Wrin' man, as enny fool kin plainly see. In cornclushun: eff'n this hyar Wo'ld Assembly be hankerin' t'fo'ce us t'give up our guns, it will need t'pry them fum our cold, daid han's!

God bless th' Wrin' People!"

[Losthaven]

A gruff-looking man with a prickly beard, a straw hat and a suspiciously thick coat takes the stage. He spits on the floor before proceeding to address the Assembly in a distinct accent.

"Varmintss of th' Wo'ld Assembly! Fry mah hide!

On beha'f of th' Wrin' People ah muss strongly protess this resolushun. While it claims t'be pro-gun an' is marked as "relaxin'" gun corntrol measures, it explicitly targits our Armed Republic by statin' thet - - an' ah's quotin' now - "keepin' th' guns outta th' han's of th' wrin' people is necessary".

We haf done nothin' t'desarve sech corndemnashun, havin' obtained our liberty fum an oppressive Federal govment by an' through th' fo'ce of arms, jest as th' resolushun says we sh'd have. A man's got a right t'own a gun t'keep his propuhty secure, even eff'n, especially eff'n, he is a Wrin' man, as enny fool kin plainly see. In cornclushun: eff'n this hyar Wo'ld Assembly be hankerin' t'fo'ce us t'give up our guns, it will need t'pry them fum our cold, daid han's!

God bless th' Wrin' People!"

[Dooom35796821595]

Believing that background checks can become a substitute to a complete gun ban.

HEREBY MANDATES that gun ownership shall be made legal in all World Assemble member countries.[/box]

Also, for the record, I am not saying how you regulate guns. All this resolution is doing is speaking out against a complete gun ban, you can still regulate the f*ck out of people if you want, as long as it's not a 100% ban.

Well then, this looks like a fun resolution loophole: If a nation has a single musket in a sealed glass case, stored in a vault 2 Kilometres under the capitol which each citizen can 'own' by paying a yearly subscription to the state.

Gun ownership is legal, and at the same time effectively outlawed in every sense other then a legal technicality.

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

OOC: I would argue that this proposal is illegal for game mechanics. It is attempting to create a new organization "The World Assemble". Also who the hell are these "wring's" that this proposal is attempting to discriminate against? I urge the author to have this pulled before it gets to vote, lest they be laughed at until peoples sides are sore.

[Kaboomlandia]

OOC: I would argue that this proposal is illegal for game mechanics. It is attempting to create a new organization "The World Assemble". Also who the hell are these "wring's" that this proposal is attempting to discriminate against? I urge the author to have this pulled before it gets to vote, lest they be laughed at until peoples sides are sore.

They're typos. Calm down.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC: I would argue that this proposal is illegal for game mechanics. It is attempting to create a new organization "The World Assemble". Also who the hell are these "wring's" that this proposal is attempting to discriminate against? I urge the author to have this pulled before it gets to vote, lest they be laughed at until peoples sides are sore.

I filed a GHR for that. Mods said it was a typo. Then again, I didn't really expect the GHR to succeed anyway.

[Defwa]

OOC: I would argue that this proposal is illegal for game mechanics. It is attempting to create a new organization "The World Assemble". Also who the hell are these "wring's" that this proposal is attempting to discriminate against? I urge the author to have this pulled before it gets to vote, lest they be laughed at until peoples sides are sore.

They're typos. Calm down.

Typos in critical places. Not that it will matter in the end

[Jean Pierre Trudeau]

OOC: I would argue that this proposal is illegal for game mechanics. It is attempting to create a new organization "The World Assemble". Also who the hell are these "wring's" that this proposal is attempting to discriminate against? I urge the author to have this pulled before it gets to vote, lest they be laughed at until peoples sides are sore.

They're typos. Calm down.

And a typo in the wrong spot on a legal document is the difference between a conviction and an acquittal.