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[DRAFT] Legislation of Drones

Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:54 pm

The last one I wrote imploded in category limbo, so here's this one.
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Mild

A resolution to slash worldwide military budgets.

The World Assembly:

RECOGNIZING the growing use of unmanned aerial vehicles, or "drones" in militaries worldwide;

ACKNOWLEDGING that drones have a niche use in the military as reconnaissance vehicles to allow targeted strikes;

KNOWING that drones save military lives by eliminating the need for military pilots to put themselves in danger in the line of duty;

APPALLED that drone strikes can lead to needless civilian deaths in the quest to strike against military targets;

ASKING World Assembly member nations to assist in creating clear and concise legislation on drones.

The General Assembly:

DEFINES a drone as an unmanned aerial vehicle that can be controlled from a remote location and be used by reconnaissance and targeting;

MANDATES that drones be able to self-deactivate safely in the event of loss of communication;

PROHIBITS drones from carrying nuclear warheads or other weapons of mass destruction as defined by previous World Assembly legislation;

IMPLORES World Assembly member states to do everything in their power to prevent unnecessary civilian casualties;

CLARIFIES that none of the above clauses affect drones used solely for civilian use, such as recreation, package delivery, or photography;

EXEMPTS things such as satellites, cruise missiles, and fixed-wing aircraft on autopilot from the above regulations.

Does the "prohibits" clause make this a HoC?
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:57 pm

"So we can launch guided missiles tipped with chemical nuclear death, but not fly a drone? What exactly is the difference? This is completely idiotic, ambassador. Your definition covers guided missiles, low level satellites, and aircraft on autopilot, which is equally unacceptable. "

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:59 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"So we can launch guided missiles tipped with chemical nuclear death, but not fly a drone? What exactly is the difference? This is completely idiotic, ambassador. Your definition covers guided missiles, low level satellites, and aircraft on autopilot, which is equally unacceptable. "

The "autopilot" thing is incorrect, as it says "controlled from a remote location". Also, it prohibits using drones equipped with WMDs.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:02 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"So we can launch guided missiles tipped with chemical nuclear death, but not fly a drone? What exactly is the difference? This is completely idiotic, ambassador. Your definition covers guided missiles, low level satellites, and aircraft on autopilot, which is equally unacceptable. "

The "autopilot" thing is incorrect, as it says "controlled from a remote location". Also, it prohibits using drones equipped with WMDs.

"Why, exactly? What possible reason is there for having such a restriction?"

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:05 pm

'So you're saying that we can't put AI on our drones or else they have to deactivate safely? Pshaw.'

'Or, that we have to give up our advanced drone technologies whenever we lose connection? Pshaw. Drones momentarily lose connection all the time due to banking and turns messing with the satellite uplink.'

'Ridiculous. This bloody definition is so insanely broad that it would include sodding cruise missiles and or ICBMs, making guided nuclear weapons some kind of frakking illegality! I see why His Excellency Trudeau is so dismissive of your legislation now (OOC: well, quite honestly, I will admit that I don't read proposals unless they are interesting and I am at least slightly qualified to speak on the subject).

'Opposed. You want our nuclear missiles drones? We will send them warhead end first.'

OOC: I do believe that your 'Prohibits' clause is a House of Cards. The meaning of the resolution would change if the definitions were repealed.

Kaboomlandia wrote:The last one I wrote imploded in category limbo, so here's this one.
Category: Global Disarmament
Strength: Mild

A resolution to slash worldwide military budgets.

The World Assembly:

RECOGNIZING the growing use of unmanned aerial vehicles, or "drones" in militaries worldwide;

ACKNOWLEDGING that drones have a niche use in the military as reconnaissance vehicles to allow targeted strikes;

KNOWING that drones save military lives by eliminating the need for military pilots to put themselves in danger in the line of duty;

APPALLED that drone strikes can lead to needless civilian deaths in the quest to strike against military targets;

ASKING World Assembly member nations to assist in creating clear and concise legislation on drones.

The General Assembly:

DEFINES a drone as an unmanned aerial vehicle that can be controlled from a remote location and be used by reconnaissance and targeting;

MANDATES that drones be able to self-deactivate safely in the event of loss of communication;

PROHIBITS drones from carrying nuclear weapons as defined by previous World Assembly legislation;

IMPLORES World Assembly member states to do everything in their power to prevent unnecessary civilian casualties;

CLARIFIES that none of the above clauses affect drones used solely for civilian use, such as recreation, package delivery, or photography.

Does the "prohibits" clause make this a HoC?


Addendum: 'Oh fantastic. Now that there is pushback, you'll add a ridiculous pile of loopholes to your idea. It's like band-aid solutions or more realistically: defining 3 as an integer between -100 and 100 which is not -100, -99, -98, -97, -96 .... 98, 99, and or 100.'
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:08 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Opposed. You want our nuclear missiles drones? We will send them warhead end first.'

"Seems that phrase I've managed to coin has really caught on..."

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:10 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Opposed. You want our nuclear missiles drones? We will send them warhead end first.'

"Seems that phrase I've managed to coin has really caught on..."

It's not a bad phrase. One of the best sarcastic quips I've seen in the WA for quite a while.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:12 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Seems that phrase I've managed to coin has really caught on..."

It's not a bad phrase. One of the best sarcastic quips I've seen in the WA for quite a while.

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Postby Jean Pierre Trudeau » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:22 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"So we can launch guided missiles tipped with chemical nuclear death, but not fly a drone?


How many times does this need to be explained to you? It is absolutely imperative we pass resolutions on EVERYTHING! It doesn't matter if it is an idiotic idea, or a piece of shit resolution. The point being, if it hasn't been legislated on, it needs to be. Authorship badges are needed to justify ones existence around here after all, and people will do anything to get them.... :p
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:38 pm

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"So we can launch guided missiles tipped with chemical nuclear death, but not fly a drone?


How many times does this need to be explained to you? It is absolutely imperative we pass resolutions on EVERYTHING! It doesn't matter if it is an idiotic idea, or a piece of shit resolution. The point being, if it hasn't been legislated on, it needs to be. Authorship badges are needed to justify ones existence around here after all, and people will do anything to get them.... :p

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Postby Viveret » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:27 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
How many times does this need to be explained to you? It is absolutely imperative we pass resolutions on EVERYTHING! It doesn't matter if it is an idiotic idea, or a piece of shit resolution. The point being, if it hasn't been legislated on, it needs to be. Authorship badges are needed to justify ones existence around here after all, and people will do anything to get them.... :p

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:50 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:APPALLED that drone strikes can lead to needless civilian deaths in the quest to strike against military targets;
...
IMPLORES World Assembly member states to do everything in their power to prevent unnecessary civilian casualties;

"Why is killing civilians with drones worse than killing civilians with guided missiles? Why is an unmanned plane dropping a bomb on civilians worse than a manned plane dropping a bomb on civilians? Come to think of it, why is it worse than shooting a civilian in the face with a machine gun? After all, that's not illegal under WA law: the ban on murder of civilians was repealed by Repeal "International Criminal Court".

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:24 am

"I wonder if the wmd clause is interpreted as covering weapons that the WA calls WMDs, or if it indicates that drones cannot carry WMDs except as prescribed by WA law? I can see two readings there, and the second would seem to exclude conventional explosives, as bombs are, by their nature, weapons of mass destruction. Which would ban any combat use of note for them. This resolution gets worse and worse with every read."

EDIT: "And interestingly enough, it looks like the author's nation has resigned from the World Assembly. Interesting."
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Postby Goddess Relief Office » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:33 am

IMPLORES World Assembly member states to do everything in their power to prevent unnecessary civilian casualties;

This is a catch-all phrase. I think what you really mean is "IMPLORES.....civilian casualties as a result of drone strikes".

DEFINES a drone as an unmanned aerial vehicle that can be controlled from a remote location and be used by reconnaissance and targeting;

As the other ambassadors have already said, the definition is pretty weak and opens itself to all sorts of interpretations. It needs to be tightened up.

Is a missile also unmanned? yes
Is a missile also aerial? yes
Is a missile also a vehicle? yes. It transports something, so it is technically a vehicle of sorts.
Is a missile also controlled from a remote location? yes
Is a missile also used for targetting? yes
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Postby Elke and Elba » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:50 am

Being extremely bored, Ambassador Norrland flies a drone into the Chamber.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:53 am

Elke and Elba wrote:Being extremely bored, Ambassador Norrland flies a drone into the Chamber.

"Did someone said this wasn't legal?"


Bell boredly flicks a few paperclips at the drone's rotors. "No, I don't think anybody found anything glaringly illegal here. Just a steaming pile of lousy idea."

He scores a hit off the chassis, cursing quietly at his own bad aim.

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Postby Viveret » Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:43 am

"What if we attach orphans to the drones, then have them jump off the drone as it flies into its target?"

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:43 pm

Viveret wrote:"What if we attach orphans to the drones, then have them jump off the drone as it flies into its target?"

-Prime Minister of Viveret

"That would be preferable to seeing this dreck passed."

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Postby Viveret » Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:43 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Viveret wrote:"What if we attach orphans to the drones, then have them jump off the drone as it flies into its target?"

-Prime Minister of Viveret

"That would be preferable to seeing this dreck passed."


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Postby New havannah » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:23 pm

How about we just make a drone do a simple bombing run in non populated areas and if they go out of range have them self destruct so the enemy didn't even know what hit them

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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:30 pm

New havannah wrote:How about we just make a drone do a simple bombing run in non populated areas and if they go out of range have them self destruct so the enemy didn't even know what hit them

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Postby Defwa » Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:05 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
New havannah wrote:How about we just make a drone do a simple bombing run in non populated areas and if they go out of range have them self destruct so the enemy didn't even know what hit them

I'm resigned from the WA. I officially transfer maintenance of this to my WA puppet.

That's completely unreasonable and unnecessary and thus completely expected of you
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:27 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
New havannah wrote:How about we just make a drone do a simple bombing run in non populated areas and if they go out of range have them self destruct so the enemy didn't even know what hit them

I'm resigned from the WA. I officially transfer maintenance of this to my WA puppet.

OOC: are we expecting you to continue this from your puppet? Your puppet is who, anyways?

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:52 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:MANDATES that drones be able to self-deactivate safely in the event of loss of communication;

And how, exactly, is the military variant supposed to do that when it carries over a ton of explosives and would be plummeting out of the sky?
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Postby LOLAF » Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:59 am

It is ridiculous to make a proposal in the name of caring about protecting citizen soldiers when such proposal would result in increased death of any nation a person with a large disposal of drones set their sights on. Their is no reason to value the lives of resident lives more then lives from any other nation.

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