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The Member Nations of the World Assembly:

CONCERNED for the treatment and equal rights of Socialists and Communists and their ideologies; and,

SEEKING to protect Socialists and Communists and their ideologies

THEREFORE, the World Assembly enacts the following:

Requires:
a.Member nations are prohibited from launching wars in order to eliminate a Communist or Socialist governments.
b.Member nation are prohibited from discriminating against Communists or Socialists, based on their ideology, in any aspect of life.
c.Member nations are forbidden from banning any organization, object, or website solely for having a Communist or Socialist ideology.
d.Member nations must provide minimal aid, protection and refuge to victims of McCarthyism, and must deny such aid to the perpetrators of McCarthyism

This is a simple draft, but I had submitted it to the GA to see the feedback and it was then taken down for breaking the rules. I'm looking for input on the bill but now also why it was taken down.

It wouldn't have passed anyhow, I would recommend abandoning this futile endeavor.

-Présidente Angéla Smith, tweeting aboard her Presidential jet, Dassault Falcon 2000LXS

What makes you think any one particular ideology requires special treatments and protections over and above all others?

Frankly, I'd ditch it. This is just going to get slaughtered.

Now. Being a lefty, I'd support this, but odds are that almost everyone else wouldn't.

Grays Harbor wrote:What makes you think any one particular ideology requires special treatments and protections over and above all others?

Originally I intended to protect all political ideologies but then you reach the slippery slope of deciding what ideologies are too extreme, religious and/or 'evil'. But I was thinking of also including Capitalism and other non controversial political ideologies. And it is not really special treatment it protects from ideological discrimination.

I am personally against this proposal as it promotes something as vile as socialism. Why is this socialism more important than the political belief in monarchy? Or just about anything else? Its not, but it will be treated as such of this passes. If you want to give one political belief special treatment then give others as well. Since once everyone is special, no one really is.

The Druzhinin Imperium would not support this proposal.

Unified Communist Eire wrote:

Grays Harbor wrote:What makes you think any one particular ideology requires special treatments and protections over and above all others?

Originally I intended to protect all political ideologies but then you reach the slippery slope of deciding what ideologies are too extreme, religious and/or 'evil'. But I was thinking of also including Capitalism and other non controversial political ideologies. And it is not really special treatment it protects from ideological discrimination.

You still cannot legislate against "McCarthyism." The WA has rules for proposals, which include a section on Real World Violations.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:

Unified Communist Eire wrote:
Originally I intended to protect all political ideologies but then you reach the slippery slope of deciding what ideologies are too extreme, religious and/or 'evil'. But I was thinking of also including Capitalism and other non controversial political ideologies. And it is not really special treatment it protects from ideological discrimination.

You still cannot legislate against "McCarthyism." The WA has rules for proposals, which include a section on Real World Violations.

McCarthyism is a real word here is the definition from dictionary.com:

1. the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, especially of pro-Communist activity, in many instances unsupported by proof or based on slight, doubtful, or irrelevant evidence.

2. the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism.

Unified Communist Eire wrote:[a
Requires:
a.Member nations are prohibited from launching wars in order to eliminate a Communist or Socialist governments.

"Contradicts Rights and Duties. Also, we will wage war for whatever reason we please, thanks."

b.Member nation are prohibited from discriminating against Communists or Socialists, based on their ideology, in any aspect of life.

"Duplicates Charter on Civil Rights."

c.Member nations are forbidden from banning any organization, object, or website solely for having a Communist or Socialist ideology.

"Duplicates Charter on Civil Rights and Freedom of Expression."

d.Member nations must provide minimal aid, protection and refuge to victims of McCarthyism, and must deny such aid to the perpetrators of McCarthyism

"Contradicts Refugee Protection Act. Also, denying aid to individuals who hold that communism is evil is as discriminatory as withholding it from communists.

"This is poorly considered and illegal at literally every turn."

Unified Communist Eire wrote:McCarthyism is a real word here is the definition from dictionary.com:
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Yes, McCarthyism is a real word -- in the Real World, where a real Senator named McCarthy gave his name to the practice of making "reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries".

But in the NS Multiverse you run up against this:

Rules for Proposals wrote:Real World Violations

George Bush, Barack Obama, Hammas, France, The Michigan Compiled Laws (Annotated), Earth, Milky Way, and Smith & Wesson do not exist in the NationStates world. Don't bring them up in Proposals. This includes references to real world documents, movies, and books. This is really easy to grasp and is a "bright line" violation. A Proposal that is wonderfully written, but mentions "the Great Wall of China" will be deleted. Also, while it acceptable to use real world laws and UN resolutions as a starting point, don't plagiarize.

Nor does it get you off the hook to roleplay that, in your nation, Senator Josephina Ayn McCarthy originated just such a practice. Other nations don't have to subscribe to your roleplay concept. Einstein's, Newton's, Darwin's laws/theories are not universally known by those names in NS nations. Shrodinger's cat may or may not have belonged to Schrodinger.

What you need to do is come up with some phrase that will describe the atmosphere you want to evoke without using the "McCarthyism" tag. Some possibilities: extra-judicial trial, show trial, kangaroo court*. You may feel none of these is precisely the same thing, but it will give you a legal title for the proposal and you should be able to pin the concept down in your prefatory clauses.

*Yes, we do have kangaroos in NS; if it's a real-world animal, it's here, and probably sitting sapiently in the GA next to the intelligent unicorns.

EDIT: The above should not be taken as in any way a ruling that the only problem this proposal has is its title.

Ardchoille wrote:*Yes, we do have kangaroos in NS; if it's a real-world animal, it's here, and probably sitting sapiently in the GA next to the intelligent unicorns.

OOC: Haven't seen kangaroos in the GA yet, as far as I can remember, but have seen them -- run by somebody else, not as one of my own puppets -- in the [Association Football] World Cup...

^_^

You will be blacklisted forever if you attempt to submit it. It's political suicide.

Krieg-Deathworld wrote:You will be blacklisted forever if you attempt to submit it. It's political suicide.

"Not really. Ambassador, you keep popping in here with comments that are either wrong or likely to get you ignored by respectable delegations. Why?"

As a minimalist government bordering on anarchy i I can tell you this law is completely unreasonable. There is no reason to provide special treatment to communists or communist refuges.

This law is stupid and ridiculous, communism is a violent ideology and should be treated as such.

Ardchoille wrote:*Yes, we do have kangaroos in NS; if it's a real-world animal, it's here, and probably sitting sapiently in the GA next to the intelligent unicorns.

How would you reference "African elephants," I wonder?

Republic of Libanon wrote:This law is stupid and ridiculous, communism is a violent ideology and should be treated as such.

More violent than capitalism?

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:

Republic of Libanon wrote:This law is stupid and ridiculous, communism is a violent ideology and should be treated as such.

More violent than capitalism?

"That depends on your definition of...uh...capitalism. And communism. And violence. And more."

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:

Republic of Libanon wrote:This law is stupid and ridiculous, communism is a violent ideology and should be treated as such.

More violent than capitalism?

How many capitalist regimes killed 20 million of their own people?

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:

Jean Pierre Trudeau wrote:
More violent than capitalism?

How many capitalist regimes killed 20 million of their own people?

I suppose that depends.

This is wandering way, way off topic. If somebody wants to offer to mentor the OP in the hope of coming up with a workable proposal, please contact him by TG and start another thread if you do work something out.