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The Commonwealth of Maine
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Postby The Commonwealth of Maine » Wed May 20, 2015 12:27 pm

"Esteemed Members of the World Assembly,

The singular goal of GA. 16 was to end discriminatory and tyrannical Government policies regulating human sexual activity. I firmly believe this to be a most noble cause, for what right does the State have to intervene in the bedroom? Ladies and Gentleman, it seems to me that repealing this resolution will have far more negative impacts than positive, and therefore cannot pass.

First, Governments will be able to limit incest, but then what? Homosexuality? Sodomy? Is this body really ready to allow Human Society to plunge backwards to archaic times in which sexual minorities are discriminated against by law? I ask and beg each of you to vote against this, for the sake of human dignity."

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Postby Defwa » Wed May 20, 2015 12:48 pm

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New Horensian Kingdom wrote:"There's one huge issue with repealing the whole act. The act also bans nations from criminalising sexual activity based on the sexes of those involved, as well as a ban on differing ages of consent based on sex. If we are to repeal the whole act because of one part, these protections for LGBT+ individuals will cease, and we could return to the dark ages of 'anti-sodomy' laws, not to mention the sexist myriad of issues in regards to differing ages of consent for each sex.

"Doubtful. We believe the Charter of Civil Rights would protect against discriminatory laws.
I see that no one has proposed a new alternative act that would keep these protections in place

"Not yet. But we would commend (and unofficially endorse) the Alqanian draft on the subject."

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A government wouldn't be able to outlaw gay, but they could definitely outlaw sodomy. Hopefully one of those replacements being worked on earlier comes back up.

The Democratic Socialist Assembly is leaning against this repeal so far. We'll be casting our vote later tonight, most likely against.
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Postby The United Neptumousian Empire » Wed May 20, 2015 2:05 pm

"As has been stated, the UNE supports this repeal, for the sake of curbing the perversion that is incest."

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Postby Kakhovske » Wed May 20, 2015 2:57 pm

I believe that it is of fundamental importance for people, and therefore the government, to respect how other people choose to live their lives, no matter how much it contravenes their own moral code. As has already been raised, the use of contraception is possible, while it is the responsability of the state to look after its citizens no matter what. For example, if someone gets drunk and ends up in hospital as a result, it would be outrageous to suggest that they should not be cared for, despite the fact it was probably their responsability. On these principles, I will oppose this.

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Postby Statevia » Wed May 20, 2015 2:58 pm

Repeal this law. First of all, the world assembly is getting to powerful. It should be helping bring peace, not imposing crazy rules on nations. It is time to put a checks and balances on their power. Besides sexual acts can be dangerous.
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Postby The Novakian Empire » Wed May 20, 2015 3:02 pm

Novakia supports the repealing of the sexual privacy act,Because incest is fucking gross.
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[AT VOTE] Repeal "Sexual Privacy Act"

Postby KatieWooTheKickapoo » Wed May 20, 2015 3:08 pm

If the act is repealed, the World may encounter problems with governments intruding and unfairly banning previously protected rights, such as untraditional marriages. I think that if the repeal passes, a new act should be created, accounting for unsafe acts, such as incest. If the repeal does not pass, we should try to instead pass an amendment to the existing act.

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed May 20, 2015 3:56 pm

Kakhovske wrote:I believe that it is of fundamental importance for people, and therefore the government, to respect how other people choose to live their lives, no matter how much it contravenes their own moral code.

"This repeal has nothing to do with the morality of abortion. It is purely based on the potential of congenital birth defects, a potential vastly increased by consanguinity.
As has already been raised, the use of contraception is possible

"If the WA had ever bothered to ensure access to contraception, or even to legalise contraception, this repeal might not be necessary. But it hasn't, so here we are.
KatieWooTheKickapoo wrote:If the act is repealed, the World may encounter problems with governments intruding and unfairly banning previously protected rights, such as untraditional marriages.

"The WA has no law on the right to marriage, and this resolution has nothing to do with it either.
If the repeal does not pass, we should try to instead pass an amendment to the existing act.

"No, we shouldn't, because amendments are illegal."

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Divon (Ancient)
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Postby Divon (Ancient) » Wed May 20, 2015 4:39 pm

Wait.

Incest is bad?! But.. how else will we keep lowborne from polluting highborne bloodlines?

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Danasterra
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Postby Danasterra » Wed May 20, 2015 4:42 pm

Fellow Nations:

"Please keep in mind the SPA does not INTEND to legalize or protect incest! The bill overall is used to protect people's sexual lives, whatever they may be. While this includes incest, the entire bill should not be struck down, rather an amendment to the SPA should be made to allow free states to regulate incest on their own.

This bill does far too much good protecting HUMAN RIGHTS, and so for that reason Danasterra will NOT support this legislation. It is obviously being used as to loophole the system, and further cripple the strides the international community has made on the subject of human rights!"

VOTE NO!

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed May 20, 2015 4:57 pm

Danasterra wrote:Fellow nations, please keep in mind the SPA does not INTEND to legalize or protect incest!

"The law means what the law says. Whether it "intended" to legalise incest or not, it does in fact do that.
rather an amendment to the SPA should be made to allow free states to regulate incest on their own.

"Yet again, we must point out that amendments are illegal."

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The United Neptumousian Empire
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Postby The United Neptumousian Empire » Wed May 20, 2015 5:00 pm

Kakhovske wrote:I believe that it is of fundamental importance for people, and therefore the government, to respect how other people choose to live their lives, no matter how much it contravenes their own moral code. As has already been raised, the use of contraception is possible, while it is the responsability of the state to look after its citizens no matter what. For example, if someone gets drunk and ends up in hospital as a result, it would be outrageous to suggest that they should not be cared for, despite the fact it was probably their responsability. On these principles, I will oppose this.

"We enquire as to why? It is selfish to allow people to harm themselves, when we have the power to prevent it.

Our government cares for its subjects, we refuse to be an apathetic administration that allows our own people to destroy themselves."
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Postby AquilaJordyn » Wed May 20, 2015 5:09 pm

AquilaJordyn Supports this repeal. The whole purpose to government is to restrict things we find so detrimental, such as incest. whether or not it is successful in curbing incestuous relationships is irrelevant, as it sits, the World assembly is essentially condoning incest. even if nothing is done to enforce these relationships, the Wa will at least have its dignity and honor intact. We cannot have amendments, as stated. For those member nation's concerned about legitimate sexual acts no longer being protected, this repeal would not stop a member nation from proposing a new bill to replace spa. This repeal is focused on incest.
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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed May 20, 2015 5:10 pm

AquilaJordyn wrote:We cannot have amendments, as stated. For those member nation's concerned about legitimate sexual acts no longer being protected, this repeal would not stop a member nation from proposing a new bill to replace spa. This repeal is focused on incest.

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Postby Knootoss » Wed May 20, 2015 5:48 pm

"The Dutch Democratic Republic does not believe it to be the business of governments to regulate what goes on in the bedroom between consenting adults. I therefore cast my vote against this repeal, and regret that it appears to have a good chance of passing."

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Danasterra
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Postby Danasterra » Wed May 20, 2015 8:51 pm

Dear Members:

"Noting that Amendments are illegal and that nations are not prohibited from drafting a stronger version of the SPA, Danasterra would be glad to vote to repeal if there were legitimate intent to begin construction on a replacement bill."

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The Crystal North
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Postby The Crystal North » Wed May 20, 2015 9:44 pm

While the Crystal North does understand the intentions of this proposal as being good, we regret that we cannot endorse it in its current form. As a nation dedicated to protecting the civil rights of its citizens, we cannot support any attempt to dictate how consenting individuals choose to express themselves.

However, we do acknowledge that children born of conceived by closely related persons are at increased risk of certain genetic defects. Rather than prohibiting incest all together, we recommend amending the proposition to make governments offer genetic counseling to prospective parents. That way, we can limit the damage done to children while still allowing these relationships to continue.
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Postby Frenequesta » Wed May 20, 2015 10:09 pm

Filling in the shoes for the retiring Lionel Ersthauer, Adele "Calico" Johnson looked over the first proposal to her vote. Her staff was quite set aback by the grimace on her face as she read it.

"This is all it is?"

"What?" asked one of her secretaries.

"That it allows incest?"

"Well, we allow it, but why should the WA force other nations to?" Most of her staff did share her sentiment, but the time-honored Freneq tradition of playing devil's advocate still held sway in the office.

"Because for one thing, we can't fault any two persons from loving each other so long as it's consensual. Goes for gays, goes for race-mixing, goes for relatives." She grimaced again and had to keep herself from crumbling the page.

"But don't governments have a compelling government interest to improve the public welfare through preventative health measures?" asked another secretary.

"An interest, but not compelling enough. We might as well force every couple to get a physical before they have sex. And if a couple is that concerned their child is going to have a birth defect, they can go to their physician and get genetic screenings and embryonic transformations--"

A couple of them laughed. "You really think every nation in the WA has our technology?"

Adele blushed. "Well, maybe not the transformation part. But still. The problem with inbreeding usually takes about several generations to show its effects, so it's not as serious a problem in itself as a lot of people think, and of course it would be unfair to punish two people who didn't realize they were genetically related for having sex--"

"This is a repeal, Calico. Not calling for a ban."

"I know that full well. But it's still important for pointing out the problems with raising incest as a concern for the concept of sexual privacy. I'm pretty set on this one. File Frenequesta's-- and the Realm's-- vote against this repeal." She sighed. "Ersthauer warned me how tenuous these proposals can be sometimes. I'm almost glad he didn't see this one."

The staff either shrugged or nodded and took back the proposal from their new boss, and they went on their way to the main floor to cast Adele's vote in lieu while she did research on the next proposal.
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Postby Thauria » Wed May 20, 2015 10:42 pm

United North Atlantic States wrote:Sure, go ahead with this. It'll be rightfully voted down to oblivion.


Say again?

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Thauria
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Postby Thauria » Wed May 20, 2015 10:45 pm

The Commonwealth of Maine wrote:First, Governments will be able to limit incest, but then what? Homosexuality? Sodomy? Is this body really ready to allow Human Society to plunge backwards to archaic times in which sexual minorities are discriminated against by law?
VOTE: Nay


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The United Neptumousian Empire
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Postby The United Neptumousian Empire » Wed May 20, 2015 11:12 pm

The Crystal North wrote:While the Crystal North does understand the intentions of this proposal as being good, we regret that we cannot endorse it in its current form. As a nation dedicated to protecting the civil rights of its citizens, we cannot support any attempt to dictate how consenting individuals choose to express themselves.

"Protect the 'rights' of your own citizens then. And we will protect ours the way we deem fit, including protecting them from themselves, as any compassionate nation should."

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The Dark Star Republic
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu May 21, 2015 12:22 am

The Crystal North wrote:Rather than prohibiting incest all together, we recommend amending the proposition to make governments offer genetic counseling to prospective parents.

"Amendments are illegal. A repeal is the only means of addressing the situation. Genetic counselling, as you suggest, would be much preferable to a ban, but even that would not be permitted with the resolution in place."

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Land of Boggaire
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Incest & babies produced from incest are 2 different matters

Postby Land of Boggaire » Thu May 21, 2015 1:12 am

Dont know what happened to my previous post..try again.... :)

If 2 people find happiness together, good, I say enjoy, I have no issue with incest, only with babies conceived by incest, since this is proved to be bad for the health of the all our nations. Preventing people from having consensual incestual sex in their own private lives, is of no concern, other than simply to the taste buds of some leaders. Im sure if we also took time to look into their private lives so closely we could find something to our distaste too!

Sexual activity and having babies are 2 different concerns.

The Sexual Privacy Act is not concerned with having babies, so why does it need to be repealed? It is there to protect the people. People should be free to enjoy concensual sex in their private lives, it should only be illegal to have a baby conceived by incest.

Do not repeal the Sexual Privacy Act! :)

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Thu May 21, 2015 1:20 am

Land of Boggaire wrote:People should be free to enjoy concensual sex in their private lives, it should only be illegal to have a baby conceived by incest.

OOC: The Sexual Privacy makes any regulation of incest - including requiring contraception - illegal. If you believe it should be illegal for incestuous couples to conceive, a repeal is the only option.

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Postby Trinity Sector » Thu May 21, 2015 3:18 am

The Sexual Privacy Acct is far from different to this claim. I feel a conspiracy heating up.

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