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How successful are controversial resolutions?

Postby The Leodensian Republic » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:34 am

Are resolutions that step into taboos less or more likely able to become a successful resolution based on the topic?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:49 am

The WA has passed resolutions on prostitution, gay marriage, abortion (twice!), child pornography, assisted suicide. It has no problem legislating on "taboos", but each resolution has to be judged by its own merits.

That said, resolutions on gambling, gun control, and drugs have historically been very unsuccessful.

It's not possible to say though whether a taboo topic is "less or more likely" to be successful in such vague terms.

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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:50 pm

Did the OP say something about "taboos"? Yes, under WA law, it is entirely legal for you to have sex with your attractive cousin, so don't worry about the police locking you up for that. Under the terms set by Resolution #16, they can't do a thing about it.

I don't recall any difficulty the author had with getting that one passed, either. In fact, when people brought up the incest thing, it only emboldened the resolution's supporters.
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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:07 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Did the OP say something about "taboos"? Yes, under WA law, it is entirely legal for you to have sex with your attractive cousin, so don't worry about the police locking you up for that. Under the terms set by Resolution #16, they can't do a thing about it.

I don't recall any difficulty the author had with getting that one passed, either. In fact, when people brought up the incest thing, it only emboldened the resolution's supporters.


Could a hardcore vegan ban the consumption of all terrestrial and marine animals or would the proposal violate WA law?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:15 am

The Leodensian Republic wrote:Could a hardcore vegan ban the consumption of all terrestrial and marine animals or would the proposal violate WA law?

Virtually any proposal can be legal: it's all in the phrasing. Equally, just because a proposal is technically legal doesn't mean it has a chance of passing.

A proposal to ban consumption of animals could be legal: banning hunting would contradict Sensible Limits on Hunting, but what's done with the meat once it's been hunted remains open.
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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:18 am

The Leodensian Republic wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Did the OP say something about "taboos"? Yes, under WA law, it is entirely legal for you to have sex with your attractive cousin, so don't worry about the police locking you up for that. Under the terms set by Resolution #16, they can't do a thing about it.

I don't recall any difficulty the author had with getting that one passed, either. In fact, when people brought up the incest thing, it only emboldened the resolution's supporters.


Could a hardcore vegan ban the consumption of all terrestrial and marine animals or would the proposal violate WA law?


Yes. If worded correctly. Rather such a bill would clear the voting bloc on the other hand...
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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:30 am

Have any bioethics resolutions been proposed or have passed as a resolution?

Has the General Assembly ever approached transhumanism and/or the technological singularity?

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Postby Bears Armed » Sun Dec 21, 2014 9:38 am

The Leodensian Republic wrote:Has the General Assembly ever approached transhumanism and/or the technological singularity?

There have been drafting attempts, but no successful resolutions. A lot of players simply don't want to recognise that possibility, just as many of them don't want to recognise the possibility of non-human sapients such as urrs.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:15 am

The Leodensian Republic wrote:Have any bioethics resolutions been proposed or have passed as a resolution?

The Bioethics subcategory has never been used. Resolutions about bioethics topics such as medical research ethics, abortion, assisted suicide, genetic patenting, genetic modification, and drugs, have passed.

I would suggest you take a look over the Passed Resolutions.
The Leodensian Republic wrote:Has the General Assembly ever approached transhumanism

Yes, there's been one such proposal at vote: it failed. Other such proposals have been drafted without reaching quorum.
The Leodensian Republic wrote:the technological singularity?

There have been proposals about it but none have reached quorum for a vote, no.

So that this thread doesn't become an odd little game of "have you ever..." among the assembled ambassadors, you should note that by using the Search function and restricting your query to the WA forum, you can easily find past proposal discussions.

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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:38 am

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The Leodensian Republic wrote:Have any bioethics resolutions been proposed or have passed as a resolution?

The Bioethics subcategory has never been used. Resolutions about bioethics topics such as medical research ethics, abortion, assisted suicide, genetic patenting, genetic modification, and drugs, have passed.

I would suggest you take a look over the Passed Resolutions.
The Leodensian Republic wrote:Has the General Assembly ever approached transhumanism

Yes, there's been one such proposal at vote: it failed. Other such proposals have been drafted without reaching quorum.
The Leodensian Republic wrote:the technological singularity?

There have been proposals about it but none have reached quorum for a vote, no.

So that this thread doesn't become an odd little game of "have you ever..." among the assembled ambassadors, you should note that by using the Search function and restricting your query to the WA forum, you can easily find past proposal discussions.


Can resolutions implement substantial restrictions on ideologies and beliefs?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:51 am

The Leodensian Republic wrote:Can resolutions implement substantial restrictions on ideologies and beliefs?

There is an "Ideological Ban" rule, which means resolutions cannot outright ban ideologies. For example, a resolution mandating democratic elections, separation of church and state, or property rights, would most likely be illegal.

However the mods have ruled that resolutions that make following ideologies difficult is not illegal. For example, a resolution to ban alcohol would be legal even if it would severely impact Christian theocracies.

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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:15 pm

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The Leodensian Republic wrote:Can resolutions implement substantial restrictions on ideologies and beliefs?

There is an "Ideological Ban" rule, which means resolutions cannot outright ban ideologies. For example, a resolution mandating democratic elections, separation of church and state, or property rights, would most likely be illegal.

However the mods have ruled that resolutions that make following ideologies difficult is not illegal. For example, a resolution to ban alcohol would be legal even if it would severely impact Christian theocracies.


Examples of legal proposal ideas that would severely impact state religion/theocracy?

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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:26 pm

Where are you going with this? It's good that you're enquiring about the game. I started the same way. But continuing to ask all these vague questions isn't really going anywhere, especially given as has already been said, virtually any proposal can be written to be legal and that just because a proposal is legal doesn't mean it has a chance of passing.

Requiring facial hair standards would presumably be incredibly disruptive to a Sikh theocracy, but that doesn't mean there's much point discussing such a proposal.

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Postby Normlpeople » Sun Dec 21, 2014 11:14 pm

Its good you want to be involved... my suggestion however would be to thoroughly read the rules thread, and the passed resolutions thread (stickied at the top) for ideas on what is allowed, what has been already legislated on, and so forth. After that, participate in a few debates on specific bills before submitting one of your own, both to get a feel as to how it works. Very few newbies actually become successful authors immediately.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:44 am

Normlpeople wrote:Its good you want to be involved... my suggestion however would be to thoroughly read the rules thread, and the passed resolutions thread (stickied at the top) for ideas on what is allowed, what has been already legislated on, and so forth. After that, participate in a few debates on specific bills before submitting one of your own, both to get a feel as to how it works. Very few newbies actually become successful authors immediately.

Indeed. Learning through watching a more experienced author is usually easier then learning by being an author, as many new authors tend to be overwhelmed by making edits to the variety of issues an incomplete understanding causes, where participating in debates takes a lot of the pressure to figure things out off of you.

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