[DEFEATED] Promotion of Dance

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: nations that choose not to allow WALTZ into their nation will still sorta be forced to do so... if the resolution were to pass, it would impact a member nations stats, regardless as to whether or not the nation chose to comply. For this reason I would be against the legislation.

OOC: So your concerns are purely stat wank related?

OOC: that's how basically every GPer seems to look at the GA, so it's hardly a new position to see. Just frustrating for us RPers.

[Czeckolutania]

OOC: nations that choose not to allow WALTZ into their nation will still sorta be forced to do so... if the resolution were to pass, it would impact a member nations stats, regardless as to whether or not the nation chose to comply. For this reason I would be against the legislation.

OOC: So your concerns are purely stat wank related?

OOC: I'll play the game my way, you play the game yours.

[Mundiferrum]

OOC: Statwanking is generally frowned upon....Especially considering the fact that the whole WA thing kinda predates all these newfangled stats (as far as I know, at least), and that the whole GA is more an institution for RP (notice the fact that these resolutions all affect things that aren't, you know, part of the system or anything). It's not a matter of you playing the game your way, it's more the matter of you intruding on one aspect of the game, er, inappropriately.

[The Dark Star Republic]

the whole WA thing kinda predates all these newfangled stats (as far as I know, at least),

Completely false. The national analysis charts are (relatively) recent developments but the underlying stats have always been there - and have been since long before the WA even existed. Established WA players like Tzorsland and Sanctaria are stat players. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. It's just impossible to respond to in character and makes the text of resolutions essentially meaningless.

[Mundiferrum]

the whole WA thing kinda predates all these newfangled stats (as far as I know, at least),

Completely false. The national analysis charts are (relatively) recent developments but the underlying stats have always been there - and have been since long before the WA even existed. Established WA players like Tzorsland and Sanctaria are stat players. There's nothing inherently wrong with it. It's just impossible to respond to in character and makes the text of resolutions essentially meaningless.

Ah, thanks for correcting that.

[Bears Armed Mission]

Cultural Erasure doesnt deal with preservation at all, just elimination. Thats how it avoids overlap with the museum of music and how it would avoid overlap with this.

Okay, that seems satisfactory.

[Bears Armed]

Any more comments?
I'm provisionally planning to submit this on the 27th or 28th...

[Defwa]

I hope that by the beginning of the new year, we will have a glut of quality proposals. That includes this one.

[Bears Armed Mission]

I'm provisionally planning to submit this on the 27th or 28th...

Make that the 29th, barring accidents.

[Bears Armed Mission]

The proposal ‘Promotion of Dance’ has now been submitted. Please approve.

This is a serious attempt at reaching quorum, not just a 'trial run', and I will begin a TG campaign shortly.

[Wolfstar WA Mission]

We would be pleased to lend you a paw in trying to ensure this crucial piece of legislation becomes law. We look forward to welcoming the Gnomes from WALTZ into our dance halls to teach them our wolf war dance, so they may teach it to other cultures.

Ogrim Frostwolf

[Unibot III]

In regards to individual rights: I can't fathom a world where people really aren't allowed to dance. What kind of awful fascist society do you have to be to have something against dance!? That, in and of itself makes it a human right to me, despite seeming trivial. It's part in parcel of one's freedom of expression and just, basically.. people being themselves in a free society.

What I disapprove about this resolution is it goes in the direction of collectivism and traditionalism, as opposed to individualism. It could have gone in the direction to say: yeah, you can twist and shout, you're a free human being, who is allowed to be themselves. Instead, it's encouraging states to promote the same dusty "traditional" dances that a state would already promote (hence, "tradition") -- making this resolution, I'm sure, a nascent combination of culture and authoritarianism in a lot of nations.

I'm against, but reluctantly, if not disappointingly.

For example, take the Nazi regime. It generally favoured traditional German dance and it clamped down on modern German expressionist dance at the time; swing dancing became a prominent counter-culture practice.

[Socialist Assembly Marxists]

WA Promotion of all things nice proposal.
Abstain, this is something that can and should be done on a local level, not for a cumbersome central bureaucracy to promote.

[Bears Armed Mission]

“Quorum! Yay!
“My thanks to every regional delegate who’s already approved this: You can have a drink in the Strangers’ Bar on our tab…”

“However it’s only just quorate, without a hrreal safety-margin in case some of its current supporters change their minds or lose office before it would come to vote, so if you’re a delegate who hasn’t yet approved it then please do so now.”

In regards to individual rights: I can't fathom a world where people really aren't allowed to dance. What kind of awful fascist society do you have to be to have something against dance!? That, in and of itself makes it a human right to me, despite seeming trivial. It's part in parcel of one's freedom of expression and just, basically.. people being themselves in a free society.

What I disapprove about this resolution is it goes in the direction of collectivism and traditionalism, as opposed to individualism. It could have gone in the direction to say: yeah, you can twist and shout, you're a free human being, who is allowed to be themselves. Instead, it's encouraging states to promote the same dusty "traditional" dances that a state would already promote (hence, "tradition") -- making this resolution, I'm sure, a nascent combination of culture and authoritarianism in a lot of nations.

I'm against, but reluctantly, if not disappointingly.

For example, take the Nazi regime. It generally favoured traditional German dance and it clamped down on modern German expressionist dance at the time; swing dancing became a prominent counter-culture practice.

This proposal concentrates mainly on the ‘Cultural Heritage’ side of things because it is a ‘Cultural Heritage’ proposal.
As I smell it, ‘Freedom to Dance’ would and should be a separate proposal instead, a ‘Sapient Rights’ one, in order to avoid potential legal arguments over category. I actually have a draft for that concept elsewhere in this forum, as you might recall, but it’s temporarily on hold while I try to think of wording that would continue letting nations block those “dances” that I would agree [OOC] are obscene enough for banning them to be reasonable without leaving a loophole a league wide that repressive regimes could use to continue banning just about all Dance too.
And although it’s the traditional dance-forms whose details this proposal primarily urges nations to preserve, it certainly doesn’t [after all] say that they shouldn’t preserve more modern forms too… It’s just a case that [in my opinion] traditional forms are more likely than newer ones — than “worthwhile”, newer ones, anyhows — actually to need preservative action, and are more to be limited to specific nations (or even to specific cultural minorities within specific nations) rather than more widely-known too… and the clause encouraging nations to promote Dance as an activity certainly doesn’t try to insist, or even hint, that this should only involve traditional forms.

WA Promotion of all things nice proposal.
Abstain, this is something that can and should be done on a local level, not for a cumbersome central bureaucracy to promote.

You think that having one international library that people from all member-nations can consult, and with which all member nations are urged to cooperate, would be less effective at conserving and spreading knowledge on an international basis than the current situation of relying on only such national libraries as some member nations might establish [or already have] and hwhatever levels of mutual cooperation might exist between some of those? Hrreally?

*<shrugs>*

[Krankor]

Does this cover compelled dancing?

[Separatist Peoples]

Does this cover compelled dancing?
(Image)

"I sincerely hope it does!" Bell says, fondly fingering the hammer on his .357.

[Bears Armed Mission]

Does this cover compelled dancing?

No. but thank you for raising the point. I should probably add freedom not to dance to the 'Freedom of Dance' draft.

[Sahrani South]

Dancing is for girls...AGAINST!!!

[Leviatha]

I and my nation support the promotion of the arts, but I must vote against this proposition.

[Bears Armed Mission]

My government wishes to thank the following list of regional delegates for their approval

Satzland, Rights and Peace, The North Pacific League, NewTexas, Eastern Equestria, Zorbae,Felandos, Chester Pearson, The Imperium Collectives, The Pacifican Islands, New Mushroom Kingdom, Sollis,Tsunamy, Malkir, Confederate Ramenia, Natalva, HMS Unicorn, Yorkistan, BearNation, Smiley Bob, Normlpeople,Northern Thermonia, Tinfect, The Democratic Nation of Unovia, Lackatoo, Hericropolis, Servoth, Confederal American Republic, Federation of Galice, The Psychic Rabbits, Yadvoy, The Eternal Kawaii, Achidyemay,Krankenwagens, Ceranin, Suuder Landt, Mikeswill, Alruniea, SkillCrossbones, Kolkatta, Shahak,HashtagHashswagia, Karabraxos, Unibot III, Rzeczpospolita Krakowska, Palidrade, Kalifati Arab shqiptar,VanillaLatte, Mandelbrotia, Liberidad, The Intergalactic Universe Corporation, Acruxia, Vashtanaraada, Seekeria,Black Rain, Republic of Wales and Scotland, Bingellia, Nava Siam, Beldia, Falcania, Vanderhaevan, William Empire,Kaffeeklatsch, Sadko, Maoist People, Island Union, HashtagSwiggityWar, Inventio, Republic of Diana, Guinea-Conakry, United Sectors of Earth, Vladovaskia, URN Military Commander, Anaaxes, The Lorians, United States of Joshua, Nickel Empire, Separatist Peoples, Etoile Arcture, The Smeig, Bopyland, Liberated Global Overstate, The Holy Zirid Caliphate, Snowfall the Unicorn, Poldarias, Cedoria, New Ridgewood, Third Untergang Republic, Esternial,Jenesia, Great Jergania and Jonland, Sovereign Georgia, Polloxune, Crownston, Qazaq Eli, Iklonia, Prostine

and also thanks any other regional delegates who either approved this proposal during the final eight moments before it came to vote (OOC: when, unfortunately, I was unable to be online...) or who approved it earlier on but then lost office before it came to vote.

Dancing is for girls...AGAINST!!!

Your nation doesn't have any girls?!?

I and my nation support the promotion of the arts, but I must vote against this proposition.

Why "must" you vote against it?

[We Are Not the NSA]

I support this. I hope it gets passed. Not enough support is given to the art of dance.
For

[Benjamin Mark]

Dance? Is this something that merits the WA's time? AGAINST!

Stephanie Richardson
WA Ambassador

[Neo-Chicago]

Travis darted his eyes back and forth between the copy of the resolution he had in his hand, and the idiot that wrote it. "With all due respect," he said, "...This is stupid as hell." Frayer told the rest. "I mean, this falls under the category of 'silly proposals' if I've ever heard one. What exactly is this supposed to combat? The town from Footloose?" Travis asked incredulously.

[SkaroEsThals]

As The Lord Of The Dance (Self-Nominated/and Self-Elected) I believe this is a very good Assembly vote, it will help every nation make a more interesting planet, and it won't help me gain any power whats so ever. So it is totally one of the best things to vote yes for

[Falcania]

The delegation from Falcania insists that any thanks for its contributions be highlighted in orange, because they're keen on that sort of thing.