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[DEFEATED] Promotion of Dance

Postby Bears Armed Mission » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:49 am

“Returning to the idea of proposals whose subjects are particularly attractive to Bears, but that we hope will interest more of you sufficiently as well, next on ourr list I give you:”

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Promotion of Dance

Category:
Education and Culture
Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage


Description: The World Assembly,

Aware that not only can dancing be a pleasant form of entertainment and exercise but that particular dances of various kinds, both social and ritual, have been important culturally in many societies too,

Understanding also that dance can help to bring people together,

Believing that these effects have generally been a good thing, which should be celebrated and continued,

Concerned that shifts in popular taste and other cultural changes might lead to the details of some dance forms being lost, although those forms might be very welcome if introduced into some other cultures or even if subsequently reintroduced into the societies where they were previously practiced,

Desiring to avert any such losses,

For the purposes of this resolution, considering ‘Dance’ to include ‘Figure-Skating’;

1). Strongly encourages member nations to promote dance amongst their peoples, as a potential improver of social harmony as well as as a source of healthful exercise and a form of entertainment;

2). Strongly encourages member nations to conserve the details of their peoples’ traditional dances;

3). Founds an agency to be called the ‘World Assembly Library of Terpsichorean Zest’ (or ‘WALTZ’), and instructs this body
A/To collect and archive the details of as many different dances as they can, including details such as origins, purposes, music, steps, other movements, typical clothing worn during them, and so on, with audiovisual recordings of both typical and exemplary performances where possible;
B/To make copies of this information available upon request to member nation’s governments, freely, and also to make this information available to individuals and groups from within member nations although in their case reasonable fees may be charged for the service;
C/To offer any non-member nations whose governments are interested and are willing to pay reasonable subscription fees annually the option of access to WALTZ’s services as well;
D/Whilst performing the above duties, to respect both property rights — including ‘intellectual property’ rights — and the fact that some cultures may regard certain of their traditional dances as too private a matter for sharing with outsiders or at least may wish to place limitations on any such sharing allowed;

4). Directs WALTZ to cooperate with the Universal Library Coalition and the Museums of Musical Heritage, and vice versa, in any situations where their interests converge;

5). Strongly urges member nations to cooperate with WALTZ;

6). Does the Locomotion
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Changes from the first draft: Preamble extended by the addition of a clause to clarify that the proposal also covers Figure-Skating (which nations that have also been involved in the NS Olympics might recognise as a reference to the Bears’ demonstrated interest in that activity…) operative clause #1 changed from “Encourages” to “Strongly Encourages”, and new clause #2 —whose addition seemed a good idea anyhows — made a “Strongly encourages” one from the start to increase the likelihood of the Secretariat agreeing that this proposal does enough to count as legal; subsequent clauses re-numbered accordingly; last word of current operative clause #4 (formerly #3) altered from “coincide” to “converge”

Promotion of Dance

Category:
Education and Culture
Area of Effect: Cultural Heritage


Description: The World Assembly,

Aware that not only can dancing be a pleasant form of entertainment and exercise but that particular dances of various kinds, both social and ritual, have been important culturally in many societies too,

Understanding also that dance can help to bring people together,

Believing that these effects have generally been a good thing, which should be celebrated and continued,

Concerned that shifts in popular taste and other cultural changes might lead to the details of some dance forms being lost, although those forms might be very welcome if introduced into some other cultures or even if subsequently reintroduced into the societies where they were previously practiced,

Desiring to avert any such losses;

1). Encourages member nations to promote dance amongst their peoples, as a potential improver of social harmony as well as as a source of healthful exercise and a form of entertainment;

2). Founds an agency to be called the ‘World Assembly Library of Terpsichorean Zest’ (or ‘WALTZ’), and instructs this body
A/To collect and archive the details of as many different dances as they can, including details such as origins, purposes, music, steps, other movements, typical clothing worn during them, and so on, with audiovisual recordings of both typical and exemplary performances where possible;
B/To make copies of this information available upon request to member nation’s governments, freely, and also to make this information available to individuals and groups from within member nations although in their case reasonable fees may be charged for the service;
C/To offer any non-member nations whose governments are interested and are willing to pay reasonable subscription fees annually the option of access to WALTZ’s services as well;
D/Whilst performing the above duties, to respect both property rights — including ‘intellectual property’ rights — and the fact that some cultures may regard certain of their traditional dances as too private a matter for sharing with outsiders or at least may wish to place limitations on any such sharing allowed;

3). Directs WALTZ to cooperate with the Universal Library Coalition and the Museums of Musical Heritage, and vice versa, in any situations where their interests coincide;

4). Strongly urges member nations to cooperate with WALTZ;

5). Twists again, like we did last summer.



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(OOC: I'm saying ‘Cultural Heritage’ rather than ‘Artistic’ for the area of effect because the basic idea is more about conserving and redistributing relevant knowledge than it is [directly] about increased funding.)
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:31 pm

What about nations that do not wish to promote dance or let ‘WALTZ’ into their nations?
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Postby Defwa » Thu Nov 27, 2014 10:31 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:What about nations that do not wish to promote dance or let ‘WALTZ’ into their nations?

Well you can just leave, already
Clause four makes it pretty clear that nations are only urged to participate.

All said, I'm supportive but I do so distaste legislation that uses such mild language. I wouldn't oppose it for that reason, but I will do a little exasperated sigh.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:13 am

Do you have to create another WA committee/agency for this? Can't one of the other WA committee/agency have it's powers expanded to cover this? The WA general fund isn't limitless. And while I'm not familiar with gnome reproduction and growth rate, but at some point the WA has to worry about a shortage of skilled gnomes.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:38 am

Jarish Inyo wrote:What about nations that do not wish to promote dance or let ‘WALTZ’ into their nations?
OOC; as Defwa has already said, they don't have to do so.

Defwa wrote:All said, I'm supportive but I do so distaste legislation that uses such mild language. I wouldn't oppose it for that reason, but I will do a little exasperated sigh.
OOC: Understood. Thank you for the support, anyhows.

Jarish Inyo wrote:Do you have to create another WA committee/agency for this? Can't one of the other WA committee/agency have it's powers expanded to cover this? The WA general fund isn't limitless. And while I'm not familiar with gnome reproduction and growth rate, but at some point the WA has to worry about a shortage of skilled gnomes.
OOC; Maybeso I could have added it to the MoMH's remit -- they seem the only real possibility along that line, to me -- but I really want to get the acronym 'WALTZ' used in this context, and the word "Terpsichorean" added to the WA's legislative vocabulary...


So, anyhows, that the "It does too much" (which it doesn't...) and "It only just does enough" opinions heard. Are there any comments about the wording, spelling or grammatical errors to point out, or other suggested improvements (preferably ones that wouldn't make national action compulsory...) from anybody?
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:20 am

Bears Armed wrote: but I really want to get the acronym 'WALTZ' used in this context, and the word "Terpsichorean" added to the WA's legislative vocabulary...

OOC: Which is, at the risk of angering Thalia, kind of the problem. There's no real reason to focus exclusively on dance (the history of dancing bans, notwithstanding, it's really just one particular form of the "Cultural Erasure" being discussed elsewhere) except to get your joke in. It would be much better to just provide a general cultural counterpart to ULC/MoMH: dance, theatre, film, graphic design, etc. But whatever we suggest, is going to be ignored, because it doesn't fit the joke. So while I understand your frustration at not receiving much drafting comment, I'm not sure what you can realistically expect either.

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Sat Dec 06, 2014 8:19 am

The Dark Star Republic wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:but I really want to get the acronym 'WALTZ' used in this context, and the word "Terpsichorean" added to the WA's legislative vocabulary...

OOC: Which is, at the risk of angering Thalia, kind of the problem. There's no real reason to focus exclusively on dance (the history of dancing bans, notwithstanding, it's really just one particular form of the "Cultural Erasure" being discussed elsewhere) except to get your joke in.

But then I’m not talking about cultural bans here, anyhows: Are you somehow confusing this draft with the Bears’ earlier ‘Freedom of Dance’ idea? What I’m doing here is helping to preserve dances from accidental loss rather than from deliberate “erasure”, making it easier for people to learn about foreign cultures’ dances, and suggesting that member nations might consider encouraging Dance for the [explained] benefits to society that would be involved.
BTW, talking of Thalia, have you already read this rather amusing work?

The Dark Star Republic wrote:It would be much better to just provide a general cultural counterpart to ULC/MoMH: dance, theatre, film, graphic design, etc.

A “general cultural” counterpart that would be worded in such a way as to ensure that its remit also [potentially] extends to cover Music as well, in case MoMH ever gets repealed? That would be possible, I suppose, but it seems to me (and to the Bears, IC, as well…) that the main arguments we’re using in this draft to justify the promotion of dance wouldn’t apply anywhere near as well to many of the other arts too… and the fact that Music already has a resolution of its own arguably sets a precedent for further single-Art proposals, doesn’t it?
Besides, as one of the draft’s Ursine creators would have replied if asked IC about the reason for this narrow focus on just Dance… “Heyyah, we’re Bears: This is, what’s the Human expression, oh yes… ‘how we rrroll’... Hokay?” ^_^

The Dark Star Republic wrote:But whatever we suggest, is going to be ignored, because it doesn't fit the joke.
I’m not ignoring your comment, I’m at least trying to respond to it and explain why I originally decided on a narrow-focus proposal like this one… but the comments before yours didn’t really give me the opportunity to say more than either “Okay, I’ll drop the idea” or “Okay, I’ll make it stronger”, did they? Anyway, I honestly will consider the possibility of switching to a more generalised concept instead, but that possibility really doesn’t interest me as much…
The Dark Star Republic wrote:So while I understand your frustration at not receiving much drafting comment, I'm not sure what you can realistically expect either.
Fair enough. For one thing, I was hoping that even people who disagreed with the whole idea might point out any potential illegalities they saw, if only as attempts to deter this project. (The only potential problem in that respect that I can see is the question of whether proposals for those Categories that have ‘Area of Effect’ rather than ‘Strength’ can get away with such mild wording, and I’m checking with the Mods about that point…). For another thing, it would have been more enjoyable if somebody’s comments had been clearly IC enough for me to RP a good IC response…


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I have now added a slightly revised draft of this proposal into the thread’s opening post.
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:14 am

OOC: That's a lot of characters expended on this basic point: if all you want to do is write a proposal about Terpsichorean Zest, then go ahead. Nothing else really matters.

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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Tue Dec 09, 2014 11:19 am

Legality check request submitted.

For, as the ‘New Hunters’ so memorably sang_

“We are Ursine, and thus we’re Dancer;
(My footwork’s nifty, as I am told).
So I’m
on my feet, rejoicing at that answer:
We are Ursiiine, and thus we’re Daaancer.”


^_^
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Postby Chester Pearson » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:44 pm

Best of luck, but you are not going to get a ruling on this....
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Postby Defwa » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:08 pm

Bears Armed Mission wrote:Legality check request submitted.

For, as the ‘New Hunters’ so memorably sang_

“We are Ursine, and thus we’re Dancer;
(My footwork’s nifty, as I am told).
So I’m
on my feet, rejoicing at that answer:
We are Ursiiine, and thus we’re Daaancer.”


^_^

OOC better than the original
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Postby Normlpeople » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:33 pm

OOC: Your talent for coming up with these acronyms never ceases to amaze and amuse me...

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Postby NERVUN » Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:35 am

Ruling from the Secretariat:

1. We see no legal problems on the points raised. As currently written, it is legal.

2. The Legal Office for the Secretariat wishes to inform the Ambassador that after studying the proposal for legality, most were seized with an overwhelming desire to take up Morris dancing and thus our office is currently full of people with bells tied on and loud thumping from poles being smacked together. We would like to inform the Ambassador that we consider this his fault and we will be moving the dancing teams to HIS office to practice.
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Postby Bears Armed Mission » Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:41 am

Well, that was quick. I and my government thank the Secretariat... but those dancers moving into my office will be competing for space with the troupe of Borrris dancers whom Bears Armed has sent to support this project.
(OOC: Yes, honestly, I already had plans to deploy this troupe back when I opened the thread...)

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Postby Chester Pearson » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:28 pm

Apparently the way to actually get a ruling now is for me to claim that you won't get one, so the mods can just go ahead and prove me wrong. Pretty pathetic if you ask me....
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:41 pm

I'm not really sure where you got the idea that they weren't going to give a ruling at all. They were a bit slow but that's been de rigeur for a while: positively speedy compared to National Economic Freedoms!

On the subject of this proposal, it occurs to me that Article 2 could be seen as an indirect blocker. Because it only 'strongly encourages', it implicitly permits nations not to preserve cultural history. If a mandatory cultural preservation proposal - such as a version of the Cultural Erasure proposal Defwa has been mooting - were to come along, that might be contradictory.

I mention this mainly because you have a habit of trying to write torturous legalisms into your proposals and I'm wondering if this one is intentional or not.

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The Dark Star Republic wrote:I'm not really sure where you got the idea that they weren't going to give a ruling at all. They were a bit slow but that's been de rigeur for a while: positively speedy compared to National Economic Freedoms!

On the subject of this proposal, it occurs to me that Article 2 could be seen as an indirect blocker. Because it only 'strongly encourages', it implicitly permits nations not to preserve cultural history. If a mandatory cultural preservation proposal - such as a version of the Cultural Erasure proposal Defwa has been mooting - were to come along, that might be contradictory.

I mention this mainly because you have a habit of trying to write torturous legalisms into your proposals and I'm wondering if this one is intentional or not.

Not. Definitely not. I'll take another look at that clause's wording, and see whether I can clarify it accordingly.
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Postby Mundiferrum » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:19 am

Hmm...
Bears dance? Interesting...
On a related note, are there already WA resolutions promoting music, and if not, could our groovy ursine ambassadors here add a promotion of music, integral to the form of most dances, to their resolution?
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:24 am

Mundiferrum wrote:On a related note, are there already WA resolutions promoting music?

There's one.
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Postby Elke and Elba » Wed Dec 17, 2014 2:03 pm

I've only seen this, but it's a great continuation to the music resolution (albeit that one is not one I really appreciate). It takes a bit of time to get warmed up to this, but a little bit of dance does that pretty well! ^_^

Chester Pearson wrote:Apparently the way to actually get a ruling now is for me to claim that you won't get one, so the mods can just go ahead and prove me wrong. Pretty pathetic if you ask me....


It's pretty pathetic you think that all decisions revolve around you - apologies (mind that this apology, is a wholly goodwill courtesy of my department head, Ambassador Norrland) but this place isn't Chester-centric no matter how you idealise it to be.

Plus as DSR have said, it's common, if not universal, practice that you'll get a reply if asked.

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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:27 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:On the subject of this proposal, it occurs to me that Article 2 could be seen as an indirect blocker. Because it only 'strongly encourages', it implicitly permits nations not to preserve cultural history. If a mandatory cultural preservation proposal - such as a version of the Cultural Erasure proposal Defwa has been mooting - were to come along, that might be contradictory.

Not. Definitely not. I'll take another look at that clause's wording, and see whether I can clarify it accordingly.

OOC: I asked the mods about this, and about whether -- if that clause would have the undesired blocking effect -- my replacing the "Strongly encourages member nations to" with "Hopes that member nations will" instead would solve that problem without rendering the proposal too weak to be legal.
Mall says that the mods would prefer to see more dicsussion about these points by the players, here, before they make a decision.
So, what do people think?
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Postby Defwa » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:36 am

Bears Armed Mission wrote:
The Dark Star Republic wrote:I'm not really sure where you got the idea that they weren't going to give a ruling at all. They were a bit slow but that's been de rigeur for a while: positively speedy compared to National Economic Freedoms!

On the subject of this proposal, it occurs to me that Article 2 could be seen as an indirect blocker. Because it only 'strongly encourages', it implicitly permits nations not to preserve cultural history. If a mandatory cultural preservation proposal - such as a version of the Cultural Erasure proposal Defwa has been mooting - were to come along, that might be contradictory.

I mention this mainly because you have a habit of trying to write torturous legalisms into your proposals and I'm wondering if this one is intentional or not.

Not. Definitely not. I'll take another look at that clause's wording, and see whether I can clarify it accordingly.

At no point does the present proposal comment on anything other than the dancing cultural aspect so the preservation of other culural aspects like writing or cooking should not be blocked by anything here.
Cultural Erasure doesnt deal with preservation at all, just elimination. Thats how it avoids overlap with the museum of music and how it would avoid overlap with this.
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Postby Czeckolutania » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:45 am

OOC: nations that choose not to allow WALTZ into their nation will still sorta be forced to do so... if the resolution were to pass, it would impact a member nations stats, regardless as to whether or not the nation chose to comply. For this reason I would be against the legislation.
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Postby Defwa » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:17 pm

Czeckolutania wrote:OOC: nations that choose not to allow WALTZ into their nation will still sorta be forced to do so... if the resolution were to pass, it would impact a member nations stats, regardless as to whether or not the nation chose to comply. For this reason I would be against the legislation.

OOC: So your concerns are purely stat wank related?
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