[DRAFT] Kinetic Missile Ban

[Normlpeople]

Unless you have some magic shield, I highly doubt you can defend against an object moving at 24,000 miles per hour.

Clover smiled "A magic shield is a trivial matter. However, while we have none of these weapons, unless our conventional missiles count, I cannot support a ban on any weapon. Even if placing missiles in space were somehow possible, I cannot vote for anything that would hamper a nations ability to defend itself appropriately."

[Tinfect]

Kinetic Missile Ban
A resolution to protect the lives of millions.
Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Notre Royaume De Rien

Description: The World Assembly,

Affirming the right of member nations to self-defense against military action,

Understanding that many nations are now developing Kinetic Missiles as a part of their defense strategy,

Believing that these weapons are crude, unstoppable, and will ultimately result in massive civilian casualties and widespread destruction,

Firmly resolves;

1. Kinetic Missiles shall be defined as any system that sends matter from space to the ground with great force and the intent of causing harm or destruction;

2. Member nations shall be prohibited from researching, building, or buying any such weapons;

3. The use of said weapons shall be prohibited by all member nations in any circumstance.

First of all, No, Kinetic Weapons are one of the safest weapons on can put into orbit. For many nations, the alternative is Nuclear Weapons.
Second of all, this proposal would indirectly ban Planetcrackers, that would destroy our mining industry, and leave The Imperial State economically crippled for Decades, if not centuries.

[Sierra Lyricalia]

Absolutely not. With the requisition and repurposing of atomic warheads for nuclear pulse propulsion, most of our strategic deterrence rests on orbital bombardment weapons of various classes. We would in fact sooner ban all planet-based nuclear weapons before submitting to such a crippling arms reduction as this. And even if it weren't in our interest to oppose this on basic strategic principles, the resolution is direly overbroad. The ability to kill a missile silo or sink a ship with a one-tonne metal rod is hardly a threat to millions of civilians; this resolution is simply unsupportable from every possible angle.

[Celibrae]

we rely on orbital bombardment systems as a nuclear deterrent, so we cannot condone this.

[Dooom35796821595]

Without more details and explanation this could outlaw nuclear MIRVs.

Why outlaw something that has similar effect to a nuke, yet has no radiation and can be much more precise and smaller. Besides, this clearly discriminates against FT nations.

(To clarify; I'm not in favour of banning nukes, I just won't have a staple weapon system banned.)

[Chester Pearson]

I would rather outlaw Biological warfare.

Could have swore we ALREADY DID THAT!

Honestly is it really that fucking hard to check the list of passed resolutions, before coming in here and shooting your off?\

Kinetic Missile Ban
A resolution to protect the lives of millions.
Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Notre Royaume De Rien

Description: The World Assembly,

Affirming the right of member nations to self-defense against military action,

Understanding that many nations are now developing Kinetic Missiles as a part of their defense strategy,

Believing that these weapons are crude, unstoppable, and will ultimately result in massive civilian casualties and widespread destruction,

Firmly resolves;

1. Kinetic Missiles shall be defined as any system that sends matter from space to the ground with great force and the intent of causing harm or destruction;

2. Member nations shall be prohibited from researching, building, or buying any such weapons;

3. The use of said weapons shall be prohibited by all member nations in any circumstance.

As for that travesty? First of all you have a category violation. Second it will never pass, and third I have never seen you in here, nor have you ever debated a resolution, but now you waltz in here and try to tell us we cannot have kinetic weapons?

I would suggest burning this while you have the chance....

[Notre Royaume De Rien]

Besides those that were no help at all (I'm talking about you Chester.) there were a lot of useful points brought up. This is the second issue I have drafted and I see its flaws. Unfortunately with the adverse effects on some FT nations and the possibility that it would lead some nations to increased nuclear armament, I do not believe it will continue.

I would still like to thank all of you who gave a helpful response. I'll be back soon with my next idea. Feel free to telegram me personally if you ever feel the need.

[Three Weasels]

Besides those that were no help at all (I'm talking about you Chester.) there were a lot of useful points brought up. This is the second issue I have drafted and I see its flaws. Unfortunately with the adverse effects on some FT nations and the possibility that it would lead some nations to increased nuclear armament, I do not believe it will continue.

I would still like to thank all of you who gave a helpful response. I'll be back soon with my next idea. Feel free to telegram me personally if you ever feel the need.

Firstly, what change? On the surface, it's fundamentally the same proposal. Any change is superficial. Secondly, are you going to address our concerns about defensive research? If every nation was in the World Assembly then a prohibition on defensive research would not be troubling, but seeing as how the majority of the universe's nations aren't members, it's only logical to permit research for defensive purposes, otherwise what's to stop non-member nations from completely annihilating any WA member nation that was unable to do any defensive research?

[The Dark Star Republic]

Besides those that were no help at all (I'm talking about you Chester.) there were a lot of useful points brought up. This is the second issue I have drafted and I see its flaws. Unfortunately with the adverse effects on some FT nations and the possibility that it would lead some nations to increased nuclear armament, I do not believe it will continue.

I would still like to thank all of you who gave a helpful response. I'll be back soon with my next idea. Feel free to telegram me personally if you ever feel the need.

Firstly, what change? On the surface, it's fundamentally the same proposal. Any change is superficial. Secondly, are you going to address our concerns about defensive research? If every nation was in the World Assembly then a prohibition on defensive research would not be troubling, but seeing as how the majority of the universe's nations aren't members, it's only logical to permit research for defensive purposes, otherwise what's to stop non-member nations from completely annihilating any WA member nation that was unable to do any defensive research?

OOC: They just said that they were giving up their proposal ("I do not believe it will continue"..."I'll be back soon with my next idea"). It's admirable that they are responding to criticism rather than stubbornly persisting with an unworkable idea. Is there really any need to beat them up after the event?

[Three Weasels]

OOC: They just said that they were giving up their proposal ("I do not believe it will continue"..."I'll be back soon with my next idea"). It's admirable that they are responding to criticism rather than stubbornly persisting with an unworkable idea. Is there really any need to beat them up after the event?

They did? Oh for the love of the most benevolent meadow keeper! Lousy universal translator is broken again! Worthless hunk of circuitry!

[Imperial City-States]

Kinetic Missile Ban
A resolution to protect the lives of millions.
Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Notre Royaume De Rien

Description: The World Assembly,

Affirming the right of member nations to self-defense against military action,

Understanding that many nations are now developing Kinetic Missiles as a part of their defense strategy,

Believing that these weapons are crude, unstoppable, and will ultimately result in massive civilian casualties and widespread destruction,

This is extremely dependent on the combat strategy of the military using them , You can't strictly say that KKW's are civilian only killers , i would suggest trying to ban the use of KKW's on Civilian Targets rather than banning their use all together.

Firmly resolves;

1. Kinetic Missiles shall be defined as any system that sends matter from space to the ground with great force and the intent of causing harm or destruction;

2. Member nations shall be prohibited from researching, building, or buying any such weapons;

This does nothing about Nations who already have them in their arsenal's , furthermore MAD in my opinion is really the best solution to these. What you're suggesting is akin to saying that NATO country's aren't allowed to develop and build Nuclear Weapons while the Eastern Bloc is.

3. The use of said weapons shall be prohibited by all member nations in any circumstance.

[Defwa]

Kinetic Missile Ban
A resolution to protect the lives of millions.
Category: International Security
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Notre Royaume De Rien

Description: The World Assembly,

Affirming the right of member nations to self-defense against military action,

Understanding that many nations are now developing Kinetic Missiles as a part of their defense strategy,

Believing that these weapons are crude, unstoppable, and will ultimately result in massive civilian casualties and widespread destruction,

This is extremely dependent on the combat strategy of the military using them , You can't strictly say that KKW's are civilian only killers , i would suggest trying to ban the use of KKW's on Civilian Targets rather than banning their use all together.

Firmly resolves;

1. Kinetic Missiles shall be defined as any system that sends matter from space to the ground with great force and the intent of causing harm or destruction;

2. Member nations shall be prohibited from researching, building, or buying any such weapons;

This does nothing about Nations who already have them in their arsenal's , furthermore MAD in my opinion is really the best solution to these. What you're suggesting is akin to saying that NATO country's aren't allowed to develop and build Nuclear Weapons while the Eastern Bloc is.

3. The use of said weapons shall be prohibited by all member nations in any circumstance.

Why would you bump a thread from nearly two weeks ago that the author already announced he was abandoning.