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[DRAFT] Tightening of Gun Control

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United Federation of Alamo
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[DRAFT] Tightening of Gun Control

Postby United Federation of Alamo » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:39 pm

The World Assembly,

Strongly reaffirming its belief that all citizens should be able to defend themselves.

Believing that Gun Control problems are contributing to the rise of criminality.

Convinced that tighter Gun Control would solve this issue.

Desiring to reach a compromise:

1. Bans the possession (by civilians) of any guns except semi-automatic handguns, revolvers, hunting rifles, bb guns, target guns, paint guns, toy guns and water guns.

2. States that in order to own a gun a civilian must have a gun permit (does NOT apply to bb guns, paint guns, toy guns or water guns).

3. Affirms that a gun permit can only be obtained after taking classes from trained instructors and passing a psychiatric examination conducted by a certified psychiatrist.

4. Confirms that illegal posession of a gun and violation of gun control laws is considered a crime punishable by incarceration and fining.
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Postby Jarish Inyo » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:43 pm

Why should a nation let the WA decide their gun ownership policy?

Also category and strength?
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Postby Cyllea » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:47 pm

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should a nation let the WA decide their gun ownership policy?


^
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I'm not even in the WA and this bothers me.

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Postby The Predator Federation » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:48 pm

I'm much against this, don't expect any support from me
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Postby District XIV » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:49 pm

Look, I'm for gun control IRL, and D14 has some pretty strict gun laws, but even I know this won't ever pass.

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Postby Wrapper » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:50 pm

OOC: So... semi-automatic handguns are legal, but revolvers, BB guns, target rifles, and, hell, even flare guns and paint guns, are illegal?

EIT: Also, water guns (though I suppose some are semi-automatic), Nerf guns, potato guns (yes, potato guns)....
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Postby The New American commonwealth » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:51 pm

Why should the WA have to bring some real world problem into NS?
Leave it out, and leave it to us to decide if we want gun control.
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Postby Qeno » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:52 pm

Cyllea wrote:
Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should a nation let the WA decide their gun ownership policy?


^
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I'm not even in the WA and this bothers me.

I agree!

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Postby AkAr Cydonia » Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:57 pm

Why should the WA have a say in THAT? What about psychotropic pharmaceuticals, the humans that created the last 50 mass shootings in the real world starting with columbine high school had all either been coming off or going on psychotropic pharmaceuticals.
A gun is an inanimate object that cannot pull its own trigger, it has to have human interaction to create a projectile leaving its magazine and barrel, same principle with people calling semi-automatic sporting rifles an assault rifle, assault is an action, a verb, it is not a firearm, the military designates the M4A1 a machine gun, why? Because it has 3 positions for the fire selector, it does not classify these rifles as 'assault rifles'. Just some common sense.

Edit: some of you probably think the AR in AR-15 stands for assault rifle or the AK in AK-47 stands for the same thing.

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Postby Qeno » Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:10 pm

AkAr Cydonia wrote:Why should the WA have a say in THAT? What about psychotropic pharmaceuticals, the humans that created the last 50 mass shootings in the real world starting with columbine high school had all either been coming off or going on psychotropic pharmaceuticals.
A gun is an inanimate object that cannot pull its own trigger, it has to have human interaction to create a projectile leaving its magazine and barrel, same principle with people calling semi-automatic sporting rifles an assault rifle, assault is an action, a verb, it is not a firearm, the military designates the M4A1 a machine gun, why? Because it has 3 positions for the fire selector, it does not classify these rifles as 'assault rifles'. Just some common sense.

Edit: some of you probably think the AR in AR-15 stands for assault rifle or the AK in AK-47 stands for the same thing.

http://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass_ ... ants.html#

I have said again and again my stance on this issue. I have left the WA and I still keep my stance.

I shall have this bright politician explain my stance this time!
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Postby Normlpeople » Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:10 pm

"Welcome to the WA ambassador! I feel it only polite to inform you this is one of the most polarizing issues in the WA, the general consensus being no legislation is the best course of action.

As for the draft itself, we require all citizens to be armed in public at all times, and we have virtually no crime. Our stance remains the same as always: should the WA or any other nation wish to disarm our citizens, they are welcome to try. The government will not be responsible for any resulting injuries, or casualties, resulting from said attempt."

EDIT: And... despite the lack of support during the whopping half-day debate, they submitted it. Suffice it to say, should it go to vote, it will be shot down.
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Postby Seladuir » Tue Sep 09, 2014 1:35 am

Perhaps to improve on it, you could list within the actual resolution some why you are "Convinced that tighter Gun Control would solve this issue." Your desire to reach a compromise has also left a rather large loophole, as has been pointed out earlier, and the punishments are left undescribed; hence, there could be no punishment if the government desires there to be none. As has been said previously, however, this seems like a very controversial topic.

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Postby Araraukar » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:04 am

Normlpeople wrote:EDIT: And... despite the lack of support during the whopping half-day debate, they submitted it. Suffice it to say, should it go to vote, it will be shot down.

OOC: Only reason I didn't post this in the Silly/Illegal - I hadn't noticed this thread - was that it does have an active clause...
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Postby Aurulie » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:06 am

Don't touch my guns.

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Postby Honor and Glory » Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:39 am

"Every citizen of Honor and Glory keeps their military issue armored battle-suit once they finish their mandatory 3 year service after leaving high school, telling our citizens they cant have automatic guns seems a little silly."
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Postby Lucifer Marttanheim » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:03 am

Besides the usual things like category, strength, and the fact that you should specify or define automatic guns based on this clause:

1. Bans the possession (by civilians) of any and all fully automatic guns (all other guns being legal).


...I'll have to agree with the other fine gentlemen who said that a nation should handle its own gun control issues instead of the WA.
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Postby Wrapper » Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:47 am

OOC:
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Status: Lacking Support (requires 66 more approvals)

Hmmm, six hours in and even the Rubber Stamp Army won't touch this! :p

And now for a bit of in-character nonsense, as I am compelled to role-play a nation where guns and crime don't exist:


IC: While Ari attends to other more pressing matters -- he had just downed a rather large jug of artificially sweetened iced tea -- his assistant, Wad Ahume Orliss-Dorke abashedly steps in to make comments.

Ummm... No nukes? -- er, guns? Support? Thank you?
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Postby The Land of Beer » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:21 am

Opposed .. it goes against the rights of our citizens being able to own any weapons system they want without limitation or restrictions.

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Postby Sauvage » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:46 am

1. Bans the possession (by civilians) of any and all fully automatic guns (all other guns being legal).

How about I let my citizens own their Gatling guns from the 17th and 18th century hmm?
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Postby Imperial City-States » Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:53 am

You absolutely have no chance of even gaining support for this let alone the WA wouldn't have any ability to enforce this. It is logistically impossible to enforce , it would literally only be a law in writing and anyone who disagrees with it simply wouldn't enforce it. To quote the Spartans' from a long time ago." Molon Labe. "


I'm that guy.
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Postby The Sheika » Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:28 am

Another resolution for gun control? Why does this issue always come....

Nope. Just nope.
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Postby Hakio » Tue Sep 09, 2014 4:34 pm

United Federation of Alamo wrote:1. Bans the possession (by civilians) of any guns except semi-automatic handguns, revolvers, hunting rifles, bb guns, target guns, paint guns, toy guns and water guns.


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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:13 pm

United Federation of Alamo wrote:The World Assembly,

Strongly reaffirming its belief that all citizens should be able to defend themselves.

Believing that Gun Control problems are contributing to the rise of criminality.

Convinced that tighter Gun Control would solve this issue.

Desiring to reach a compromise


Not much of a compromise, I'm afraid. Were this to pass, we'd have to literally reverse our entire body of small- and medium arms law. Since the militias run by syndicates, sanctioned soviets, and semi-collective partnerships are all civilians, they'd all have to give up their weapons, leaving a dangerous imbalance whereby they have no ultimate last resort against the government or against capitalist mercenaries. Their hard-fought legal power would gradually fade to nothing. Meanwhile we'd have to allow every Joe fucking Schmo with enough self control to sit calmly with a shrink for two hours to start waving handguns around as if that were actually some kind of protection against criminals, nevermind the ludicrous rate of accidents, drunken horseshit, and actual criminal activity they cause and enable.

Opposed.
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Postby Normlpeople » Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:17 pm

Clover chuckled after reading the revisions "If this passes, the construction industry suffers greatly, since nail guns, caulking guns and staple guns are banned. In any case, since the author prefers reactionary edits as opposed to actually debating thier draft, and this is in no danger of quorum, I see no reason to further dedicate any time to this."
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