NationStates

Strength - Significant
Category - Free Trade
Proposed by - Balenderg

WELL AWARE that many nations have counterfeit problems

NOTICING that something should be done about said counterfeiting problems.

CREATES a counterfeiting patterns & records vault in order to aid police catching counterfeiters and other types of forgers.

PROHIBITS the lack of basic anti-counterfeit measures on non-barter currency throughout World Assembly member Nations.

REQUIRES that counterfeiting patterns or designs be submitted to the Counterfeiting Patterns & Records storage, so they can be used to help fight further counterfeit crimes.

ALLOWS nations who use coins as their primary currency to use a unique indentation system to prevent counterfeit

Hello! Welcome to the GA

I see you're new here, so you may want to take a look at the list of passed resolutions as well as the rules for proposals in this chamber.

Looking over this draft, I don't see rule violations (as of yet), but the formatting does not essentially match that of previous resolutions.

District XIV wrote:Hello! Welcome to the GA

I see you're new here, so you may want to take a look at the list of passed resolutions as well as the rules for proposals in this chamber.

Looking over this draft, I don't see rule violations (as of yet), but the formatting does not essentially match that of previous resolutions.

I'm a little new, and I as far as I know, I just left out some stuff that I didn't know what to put there.

Balenderg wrote:

District XIV wrote:Hello! Welcome to the GA

I see you're new here, so you may want to take a look at the list of passed resolutions as well as the rules for proposals in this chamber.

Looking over this draft, I don't see rule violations (as of yet), but the formatting does not essentially match that of previous resolutions.

I'm a little new, and I as far as I know, I just left out some stuff that I didn't know what to put there.

That's good.

Although, you may wish to explain to us why this is an international issue, and not simply one of national or even sub-national purview?

If I may add: remove the "If this law is accepted by the General Assembly, the following effects will happen:" in the draft.

District XIV wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
I'm a little new, and I as far as I know, I just left out some stuff that I didn't know what to put there.

That's good.

Although, you may wish to explain to us why this is an international issue, and not simply one of national or even sub-national purview?

Because, first of all, it increases trade and tourism, because people can use their money in foreign countries. Also, it will greatly decrease counterfeiting.

What's the point of keeping the microprinting database secret? Anybody attempting to use the microPrinting to verify currency would need to know what they're Looking for, wouldn't they?

Should all shop keepers be expected to reach the conversion rate of all WA currencies? That seems like a hindrance That could be avoided by simply exchanging currency at the border.

How are past tech nations expected to comply with this?

Defwa wrote:What's the point of keeping the microprinting database secret? Anybody attempting to use the microPrinting to verify currency would need to know what they're Looking for, wouldn't they?

Should all shop keepers be expected to reach the conversion rate of all WA currencies? That seems like a hindrance That could be avoided by simply exchanging currency at the border.

How are past tech nations expected to comply with this?

Foreign aid is how, and also, the conversion rate would likely either be written down somewhere, or that would mainly just be for large international trade, and I agree we should make it public. That change shall be made. Also, countries could in addition do something like the Metal Shine on the U.S 100 dollar bill.

Balenderg wrote:

Defwa wrote:What's the point of keeping the microprinting database secret? Anybody attempting to use the microPrinting to verify currency would need to know what they're Looking for, wouldn't they?

Should all shop keepers be expected to reach the conversion rate of all WA currencies? That seems like a hindrance That could be avoided by simply exchanging currency at the border.

How are past tech nations expected to comply with this?

Foreign aid is how, and also, the conversion rate would likely either be written down somewhere, or that would mainly just be for large international trade, and I agree we should make it public. That change shall be made. Also, countries could in addition do something like the Metal Shine on the U.S 100 dollar bill.

What does foreign aid have to do with anything.
Exchange rates can change like stock prices.
Being shiny is not the same as micro printing and thus would not be enough

Defwa wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
Foreign aid is how, and also, the conversion rate would likely either be written down somewhere, or that would mainly just be for large international trade, and I agree we should make it public. That change shall be made. Also, countries could in addition do something like the Metal Shine on the U.S 100 dollar bill.

What does foreign aid have to do with anything.
Exchange rates can change like stock prices.
Being shiny is not the same as micro printing and thus would not be enough

Metal shine means when you look at it in a certain light, in shines in a certain way. And Foreign Aid is how past tech nations would be able to become present tech nations to comply with this, and the foreign exchange rates would likely change every day, but so would the listing for the exchange rate. And according to the Repbulic of Defwa's code of ethics/honor, you should be inclined to help with the foreign aid.

Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

Balenderg wrote:

Defwa wrote:What does foreign aid have to do with anything.
Exchange rates can change like stock prices.
Being shiny is not the same as micro printing and thus would not be enough

Metal shine means when you look at it in a certain light, in shines in a certain way. And Foreign Aid is how past tech nations would be able to become present tech nations to comply with this, and the foreign exchange rates would likely change every day, but so would the listing for the exchange rate. And according to the Repbulic of Defwa's code of ethics/honor, you should be inclined to help with the foreign aid.

OOC you cant force a nation to become present tech any more than a nation can forcr you to become future tech.

IC I dont know why you're mentioning it (metal shine). I assumed earlier you were hoping to use it as an alternative but it now seems like a total non sequitur.

The problem is your proposal doesnt say anything about when exchange rates are taken. They can change every second and by my reading youre saying the most up to date must be used.

I dint know what youre reading, but it is neither the word of the Divine Wizards or the government that requires charity.

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

And how many of those are there?

Balenderg wrote:

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

And how many of those are there?

*cough* District XIV! *cough*

Seems good. You just need to put in stuff to convince people to vote for it. Like making an argument for it

Defwa wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
Metal shine means when you look at it in a certain light, in shines in a certain way. And Foreign Aid is how past tech nations would be able to become present tech nations to comply with this, and the foreign exchange rates would likely change every day, but so would the listing for the exchange rate. And according to the Repbulic of Defwa's code of ethics/honor, you should be inclined to help with the foreign aid.

OOC you cant force a nation to become present tech any more than a nation can forcr you to become future tech.

IC I dont know why you're mentioning it (metal shine). I assumed earlier you were hoping to use it as an alternative but it now seems like a total non sequitur.

The problem is your proposal doesnt say anything about when exchange rates are taken. They can change every second and by my reading youre saying the most up to date must be used.

I dint know what youre reading, but it is neither the word of the Divine Wizards or the government that requires charity.

They secondly exchange change would not be written down, just the daily exchange rates, there would be a central exchange rates center, funded by public WA funds, that will record the daily exchange rates. Kind of like Stocks.

Toronina wrote:Seems good. You just need to put in stuff to convince people to vote for it. Like making an argument for it

I'm new to this, so I might need help making an argument for it, perhaps you could input some help? You would be full credited.

Balenderg wrote:

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

And how many of those are there?

Funny you didn't answer my first two questions. Plan on answering them?

As to how many, probably more then you think. But at least 2 at the moment.

Balenderg wrote:

Defwa wrote:OOC you cant force a nation to become present tech any more than a nation can forcr you to become future tech.

IC I dont know why you're mentioning it (metal shine). I assumed earlier you were hoping to use it as an alternative but it now seems like a total non sequitur.

The problem is your proposal doesnt say anything about when exchange rates are taken. They can change every second and by my reading youre saying the most up to date must be used.

I dint know what youre reading, but it is neither the word of the Divine Wizards or the government that requires charity.

They secondly exchange change would not be written down, just the daily exchange rates, there would be a central exchange rates center, funded by public WA funds, that will record the daily exchange rates. Kind of like Stocks.

so now you're forcing the WA to open a currency exchange.
What part of your proposal says this?

Defwa wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
They secondly exchange change would not be written down, just the daily exchange rates, there would be a central exchange rates center, funded by public WA funds, that will record the daily exchange rates. Kind of like Stocks.

so now you're forcing the WA to open a currency exchange.
What part of your proposal says this?

The new part I just added.

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

You don't have to give foreign aid for it, and they should accept it, unless they don't want more money.

Balenderg wrote:

Jarish Inyo wrote:Why should my nations merchants accept other nations currency? Why should I give foreign aid for this fallacy?

And what about nations that do not use physical money?

You don't have to give foreign aid for it, and they should accept it, unless they don't want more money.

Nations would still get more money when tourist exchange their nations currency to the currency of the nation they are visiting to pay for goods and services.

An exchange already handles most of clause 2 of your proposal without the need of merchants having to take large amount of time to figure out what is owed to them in a strange currency.

Jarish Inyo wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
You don't have to give foreign aid for it, and they should accept it, unless they don't want more money.

Nations would still get more money when tourist exchange their nations currency to the currency of the nation they are visiting to pay for goods and services.

Right, they will, but not exchanging it and just having them accept it is a lot less of a hassle.

Balenderg wrote:

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Nations would still get more money when tourist exchange their nations currency to the currency of the nation they are visiting to pay for goods and services.

Right, they will, but not exchanging it and just having them accept it is a lot less of a hassle.

For the tourist maybe. But not businesses

Balenderg wrote:

Jarish Inyo wrote:
Nations would still get more money when tourist exchange their nations currency to the currency of the nation they are visiting to pay for goods and services.

Right, they will, but not exchanging it and just having them accept it is a lot less of a hassle.

No its not. It will take time for the merchant to figure out how much to charge someone using a different currency. Where going to an exchange or bank takes little time and makes thing easier for everyone.

Defwa wrote:

Balenderg wrote:
Right, they will, but not exchanging it and just having them accept it is a lot less of a hassle.

For the tourist maybe. But not businesses

I thought Defwa was a pro-people nation. And, not maybe for the tourist, definetely for the tourist. And the Buisness can just exchange it after they get it, or use it to expand there company into foreign nations.