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Flamels Stone
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Postby Flamels Stone » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:02 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not all are made with fabric. C.D.S.P. greenbacks are now manufactured with plastic and paper. No fabric involved. Its awful...looks like something my niece would play with now...*grumble*...Its simple enough to get around the optionality issue, if you're curious, ambassador. One could make it illegal for member states to knowingly create unbacked currency that is not their own legal tender with the intention of deliberately weakening the strength of another states' money, establish liaison points and a committee responsible for coordinating the intelligence on counterfeiting operations not backed by governments, as well as technical support for nations seeking to protect themselves from such, and empower them to liaise with national authorities that target such operations. Participation in enforcement would, then, be almost entirely optional, where nations themselves would be barred from allowing institutional counterfeiting operations from thriving in their jurisdiction. Ostensibly, those nations with odd items, like chewing gum, either have a control to prevent uncontrolled flow of currency into their economy, or have a means by which to recognize those backed by their government, or otherwise have protections in place to prevent accidental collapse of their economy. However, this would be a concern for such economies with or without legislation on the matter, so I don't see the issue. Its all a matter of finesse. *COUGH COUGH*Ihopetheauthorheardthat*Cough*"

Kenneth gets the record of everything beeing said and re-reads the statement ''hum...*cough*. I think it would be benneficial if you took over this proposal ambassador! I don't know if you wan't to use your time on it; or even if you agree with it but... wow!''
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Separatist Peoples
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:24 pm

Flamels Stone wrote:Kenneth gets the record of everything beeing said and re-reads the statement ''hum...*cough*. I think it would be benneficial if you took over this proposal ambassador! I don't know if you wan't to use your time on it; or even if you agree with it but... wow!''

"Not a frelling chance, ambassador. I know better then to dare try. They don't call this place the Festering Snakepit for nothing."

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Balenderg
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Postby Balenderg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:18 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flamels Stone wrote:''Offering suggestions'' and/or ''nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting dont have to follow this proposal'' would make the proposal optional and illegal.
And its true that bills aren't just made of paper, they have fabric too. But what would you call it? Maleable squares money?


"Not all are made with fabric. C.D.S.P. greenbacks are now manufactured with plastic and paper. No fabric involved. Its awful...looks like something my niece would play with now...*grumble*...Its simple enough to get around the optionality issue, if you're curious, ambassador. One could make it illegal for member states to knowingly create unbacked currency that is not their own legal tender with the intention of deliberately weakening the strength of another states' money, establish liaison points and a committee responsible for coordinating the intelligence on counterfeiting operations not backed by governments, as well as technical support for nations seeking to protect themselves from such, and empower them to liaise with national authorities that target such operations. Participation in enforcement would, then, be almost entirely optional, where nations themselves would be barred from allowing institutional counterfeiting operations from thriving in their jurisdiction. Ostensibly, those nations with odd items, like chewing gum, either have a control to prevent uncontrolled flow of currency into their economy, or have a means by which to recognize those backed by their government, or otherwise have protections in place to prevent accidental collapse of their economy. However, this would be a concern for such economies with or without legislation on the matter, so I don't see the issue. Its all a matter of finesse. *COUGH COUGH*Ihopetheauthorheardthat*Cough*"


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Balenderg
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Postby Balenderg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:20 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flamels Stone wrote:Kenneth gets the record of everything beeing said and re-reads the statement ''hum...*cough*. I think it would be benneficial if you took over this proposal ambassador! I don't know if you wan't to use your time on it; or even if you agree with it but... wow!''

"Not a frelling chance, ambassador. I know better then to dare try. They don't call this place the Festering Snakepit for nothing."


Why don't you, ambassador? After all, everyone believes we, as in the parliament and prime minister of Balenderg, has failed. If people think I'm so bad at it, why wouldn't someone else give it a shot at fixing it?
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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:21 pm

Balenderg wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Not a frelling chance, ambassador. I know better then to dare try. They don't call this place the Festering Snakepit for nothing."


Why don't you, ambassador? After all, everyone believes we, as in the parliament and prime minister of Balenderg, has failed. If people think I'm so bad at it, why wouldn't someone else give it a shot at fixing it?

Because no body else thinks its a problem that needs legislation.
If you're dedicated to this idea, take his advice and write a resolution about that. But at the moment, you have completely gone the wrong direction about fixing a non issue.
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Hakio
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Postby Hakio » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:32 pm

Hedishi takes the joint out of her mouth.

"I think some governments might be okay with counterfeiting money in it's system, mainly anarchies and libertarian--" Sia indignantly air quotes, "--paradises. Also, this proposal is severely underwritten and would need to go through numerable rewrites to get it to a presentable fashion. Furthermore, your scope of legislation is very narrow to the point of being too specific for it's own good; for instance you limit 'counterfeiting' in your proposal to simply that of paper currency. Here in our country, we trade with metallic coins called Shabs, and I know there are several nongovernment backed counterfeit metal-workers out there who make fake UIH coins. The fact that this proposal would not in anyway help stop the counterfeiting notwithstanding, you fail to define any of your terms including the main target of this entire piece of legislation; the crime of counterfeiting. Also, I am wondering if you plan to expand this proposal to all forms of currency, how would this affect digital currency like ZipCoin or WalrusBux?"
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 25, 2014 1:52 pm

"I won't lie, I've been considering drafting my own version. I even have something of a draft completed," Bell gestures to his notepad...and promptly knocks over his glass of Olde Jim's Finest Wood Alcohol, dissolving the ink of his scrawled notes and eating through the varnish on the desk.

"Er...that is to say, completed in my head. At any rate, the current author ought leave this to die and let some time pass before attempting this again, if only to clear his or her head."

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Hakio
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Postby Hakio » Mon Aug 25, 2014 2:17 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I won't lie, I've been considering drafting my own version. I even have something of a draft completed," Bell gestures to his notepad...and promptly knocks over his glass of Olde Jim's Finest Wood Alcohol, dissolving the ink of his scrawled notes and eating through the varnish on the desk.

"Er...that is to say, completed in my head. At any rate, the current author ought leave this to die and let some time pass before attempting this again, if only to clear his or her head."


"It looks like quite the masterpiece already."
Hedishi laughs.
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Balenderg
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Postby Balenderg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:05 pm

Hakio wrote:Hedishi takes the joint out of her mouth.

"I think some governments might be okay with counterfeiting money in it's system, mainly anarchies and libertarian--" Sia indignantly air quotes, "--paradises. Also, this proposal is severely underwritten and would need to go through numerable rewrites to get it to a presentable fashion. Furthermore, your scope of legislation is very narrow to the point of being too specific for it's own good; for instance you limit 'counterfeiting' in your proposal to simply that of paper currency. Here in our country, we trade with metallic coins called Shabs, and I know there are several nongovernment backed counterfeit metal-workers out there who make fake UIH coins. The fact that this proposal would not in anyway help stop the counterfeiting notwithstanding, you fail to define any of your terms including the main target of this entire piece of legislation; the crime of counterfeiting. Also, I am wondering if you plan to expand this proposal to all forms of currency, how would this affect digital currency like ZipCoin or WalrusBux?"


How does one counterfeit digital currency? OOC: I have thought many times putting something like "Special encoding for Digital Currencies" But then people would say stuff like "You are dumb. There is no way past tech nations can keep up with this." and "That won't help!" or "That's super invasive and authoritarian!"
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Balenderg
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Postby Balenderg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:11 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"I won't lie, I've been considering drafting my own version. I even have something of a draft completed," Bell gestures to his notepad...and promptly knocks over his glass of Olde Jim's Finest Wood Alcohol, dissolving the ink of his scrawled notes and eating through the varnish on the desk.

"Er...that is to say, completed in my head. At any rate, the current author ought leave this to die and let some time pass before attempting this again, if only to clear his or her head."


"You sir, have an interesting notepad. And when things go into hibernation, to say, when they resurface they are behind everything and have been replaced." Says Prime Minister of Balenderg, Yuri Nerrinov.
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Postby Potted Plants United » Mon Aug 25, 2014 4:42 pm

Flamels Stone wrote:Side Note:
We do, however, sometimes gift them without expecting anything in return. If you would like one, we can send it to your office. Do you have any colour preferences?"

Thanks for the offer ambassador,a purple leaf would be wonderful!I shall display it on my office.

A speaker plant - not the same one that had been in the chamber previously earlier in the debate, approached the FS ambassador's desk and produced a colourful leaf from what looked for all the world like a pocket on one of its inner trunk-hugging leaves, carefully laying it on the table.

"We hope this is close to what you were wishing for," the plant said. "The green that is visible, will eventually fade to a shade of yellow as the leaf dies, but the fractal image itself should remain fairly intact."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:42 pm

Balenderg wrote:"You sir, have an interesting notepad. And when things go into hibernation, to say, when they resurface they are behind everything and have been replaced." Says Prime Minister of Balenderg, Yuri Nerrinov.

"Poor handwriting is it's own code. I have no idea, for the life of me, what the rest of that was supposed to mean."

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:20 pm

I believe other ambassadors have conveyed why this plan is ill-conceived even if one belives in it. But we would be forced to vote against even a well-crafted proposal in this area. The S.L. House of Economic Enlightenment has long been tasked with the humanitarian relief of depressed capitalist economies via the clandestine undisclosed printing and smuggling distribution of grossly deflated currency to the poorest and most destitute residents of such nations.

Hey, if you're not gonna help your own people, why shouldn't we? Anyway, it's not like we're hurting anyone... anyone real, anyway. Just the assholes who want tax breaks for me, austerity for thee. Oh, boo hoo, your banks have to skip some foreclosures they were looking forward to, waaaaaaah! Grow a real economic system, crybaby.
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Balenderg
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Postby Balenderg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:50 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Balenderg wrote:"You sir, have an interesting notepad. And when things go into hibernation, to say, when they resurface they are behind everything and have been replaced." Says Prime Minister of Balenderg, Yuri Nerrinov.

"Poor handwriting is it's own code. I have no idea, for the life of me, what the rest of that was supposed to mean."


"It's not the handwriting, frankly, if I had wrote that, it would be entirely unintelligible. I mean you write in an interesting way."
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Flamels Stone
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Postby Flamels Stone » Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:10 am

Potted Plants United wrote:A speaker plant - not the same one that had been in the chamber previously earlier in the debate, approached the FS ambassador's desk and produced a colourful leaf from what looked for all the world like a pocket on one of its inner trunk-hugging leaves, carefully laying it on the table.

"We hope this is close to what you were wishing for," the plant said. "The green that is visible, will eventually fade to a shade of yellow as the leaf dies, but the fractal image itself should remain fairly intact."

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OOC: The fractal image was found on http://hqwallpapers.org and is their copyright. Please do not copy this image, crude though my editing is, as it took some time to get it right. :P

''Wonderful! Thank you very much! It's beautiful, i shall find a good place to display it. Charles, can you please take this carefully to my office?'' The butler very carefully takes the leaf and leaves.Without speaking, not wanting to interrupt.
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