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Postby Icesun » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:47 am

Nathan Yang stands, a facial tick evident as he nervously smiles - his face apparently unaccustomed to the gesture as he reads through the proposal once more to make sure he's got it right.

"We are... bemused by the honorable Balenderg's representative's concern for counterfeiting in other countries -since this has been a concern of many nations for a very long time and each have all put their own counter measures in to reduce such instances on their own behest and for their own benefit. There seems no real need for this to be an international consideration given that it's all dealt with on a national level as it is with varying degrees of efficiency.

"Icesun itself has a digital currency system facilitated by two differing types of cards and accepts no foreign currency within its borders except at exchange ports to exchange foreign money for pre-pay cards of local currency. These cards are encoded in a special manner and there's a lot of technical jargon I myself confess to not understand fully but I am assured by experts in this area that Icesun has not had any real difficulties that cannot be swiftly dealt with in relation to counterfeiting for some seven years now since the new system was put into effect." at this point Nathan drinks a bit of water and scans the rest of the document.

"Money is not difficult to exchange, an extremely simple transaction at any of the appropriate ports or banks to do so, and the banks already keep a record of exchange rates globally - why wouldn't they? It's their business and if anyone wishes to take part in the international stock market trade then they're going to have to be aware of exchange rates. Why exactly are you suggesting an international government encroach and replace working systems already in place through partnership between the private and public sector?

"Looking through all the suggestions one can't help but think this is a completely pointless proposal, suggested for no other reason than the author wanted to have a proposal to their name and couldn't think of anything that is useful but that the GA hadn't already debated on thoroughly. So much of the proposal suffers from father-knows-best, suggesting that nation states that have had control over these elements for their entire economic existence are all of a sudden incompetent to control their own currency, exchange rates and criminal elements that counterfeit.

"The only thing suggested in the entire proposal that isn't already done by countries merely as a matter of course is the Bureau of Currency Minting and Inflation - which seems to have no powers outside of helping police keep track of counterfeiters, something that police do cooperatively on an international level already the vast majority of the time.

"I can literally see no benefit or need to support such a proposal which contributes nothing to benefit countries that is not already done on a large scale by themselves anyway. We are not children and we do not need you to hold our hand on something so mundane and commonplace in practice as it is."
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Postby Wrapper » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:56 am

Balenderg wrote:9- Currencies of Miscellaneous items (Such as, Chewing Gum, Crushed Beer Cans, and Honey.) must find their own way to prevent counterfeiting, such as (Example: Chewing Gum) using special engraving methods for the chewing gum.

Ummm... what? You're missing the point of the barter system if this is your way of dealing with it. The idea of many barter systems is that the buyer puts time and materials into the creation of an item which then can be traded for other items. If one takes the time to buy the materials and create such an item -- interestingly, much in the same way that paper money counterfeiters create counterfeit money -- then how is it even possible to counterfeit such an item? Not to mention, engraving chewing gum is a ridiculous idea, how does one engrave something malleable like chewing gum?

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Postby Araraukar » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:04 am

Wrapper wrote:Not to mention, engraving chewing gum is a ridiculous idea, how does one engrave something malleable like chewing gum?

Well, presumably in it's pre-chewed state the chewing gum will be solid enough to allow intendations being made on it. Still, the author took the wrong idea from what was said and ran away with it. Will be interesting to know if it was removed at author's request or due to an illegality.
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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:02 am

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Do you believe that it needs improvement, or that it is just a bad idea all around? Just Wondering.

Not to be rude, but I think this draft needs to be abandoned. I admire your effort in attempting to draft a resolution, although it's customary around here that one participate in assorted debates prior to pursuing authorship. 'Currency reform/regulation/law' doesn't seem to be a flexible division of WA concern.


Meh, it was invalid anyway. I think it was because I focused on two ideas at once, the international exchange stuff and the counterfeiting.
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Postby Araraukar » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:18 am

Balenderg wrote:I think it was because I focused on two ideas at once, the international exchange stuff and the counterfeiting.

OOC: Or because you were trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.
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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:21 am

The law now focuses on Counterfeit, rather than two different subjects. I have also written it in bold, and changed the way it is written.
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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:21 am

Araraukar wrote:
Balenderg wrote:I think it was because I focused on two ideas at once, the international exchange stuff and the counterfeiting.

OOC: Or because you were trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.


Counterfeiting is a real problem.
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Postby District XIV » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:33 am

Balenderg wrote:
Araraukar wrote:OOC: Or because you were trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.


Counterfeiting is a real problem.

Where? Prove that it "is a real problem" in the international society.

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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:40 am

District XIV wrote:
Balenderg wrote:
Counterfeiting is a real problem.

Where? Prove that it "is a real problem" in the international society.


OOC: It, along with inflation, destroyed the entire economy of Zimbabwe. And the Argentine economy is loaded with inflation and counterfeiting. And the entire E.U currency system nearly collapsed once because of counterfeiting.
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Postby District XIV » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:42 am

Balenderg wrote:
District XIV wrote:Where? Prove that it "is a real problem" in the international society.


It, along with inflation, destroyed the entire economy of Zimbabwe. And the Argentine economy is loaded with inflation and counterfeiting. And the entire E.U currency system nearly collapsed because of counterfeiting.

I should've implied further in the NATIONSTATES WORLD, not real life.

1st Lesson of the GA: Real life =/= NationStates

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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:46 am

OOC: I was stating instances where in real life things that happened could happen in nation states. You might just be saying that because YOUR country does not have counterfeit problems, because your nation's currency is digital.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:48 am

Balenderg wrote:I was stating instances where in real life things that happened could happen in nation states. You might just be saying that because YOUR country does not have counterfeit problems, because your nation's currency is digital.

OOC: Real Life nations don't necessarily exist in Nationstates. If they do, they might exist in different incarnations then you are used to. While OOC references to the Real World and the relevant issues is acceptable in an argument, ICly, it is often ignored entirely.

IC: "Whats a Zimbobway? And we take issue with the District XIV representative's suggestion that counterfeiting money is not an international issue...it absolutely is an international issue, as it is an issue which, by its very nature, can cross borders and violate sovereignty, leaving nations with little recourse but the use of force to respond. That counterfeiting hasn't been banned already is, frankly, astonishing to me."
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Postby District XIV » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:54 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:And we take issue with the District XIV representative's suggestion that counterfeiting money is not an international issue

"I never claimed such a thing... I simply stated that this area of WA purview isn't flexible."
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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:56 am

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Balenderg wrote:I was stating instances where in real life things that happened could happen in nation states. You might just be saying that because YOUR country does not have counterfeit problems, because your nation's currency is digital.

OOC: Real Life nations don't necessarily exist in Nationstates. If they do, they might exist in different incarnations then you are used to. While OOC references to the Real World and the relevant issues is acceptable in an argument, ICly, it is often ignored entirely.

IC: "Whats a Zimbobway? And we take issue with the District XIV representative's suggestion that counterfeiting money is not an international issue...it absolutely is an international issue, as it is an issue which, by its very nature, can cross borders and violate sovereignty, leaving nations with little recourse but the use of force to respond. That counterfeiting hasn't been banned already is, frankly, astonishing to me."


OOC: I altered them to be OOC, and also, do real life cultures exist in NS? Just wanted to know if you knew, cause I don't.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:01 pm

District XIV wrote:"I never claimed such a thing... I simply stated that this area of WA purview isn't flexible."

"Then you did so poorly."
District XIV wrote:
Balenderg wrote:
Counterfeiting is a real problem.

Where? Prove that it "is a real problem" in the international society.


"The WA is purview is absolutely flexible enough to approach this problem. This resolution, however, is absolutely not."

Balenderg wrote:OOC: I altered them to be OOC, and also, do real life cultures exist in NS? Just wanted to know if you knew, cause I don't.

OOC: Thank you. It makes it easier to track an argument if you keep the two clearly marked as you make the arguments. I would say that the cultures do, as most players draw on something they know. My nation's culture is a mix of midwest US and modern-day German culture, for example. However, making direct comparisons to events or nations ICly gets iffy. If you must, you're best off keeping that part OOC, and describing the problem independent of the relevant nations ICly. If that makes sense?
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Postby District XIV » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:04 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
District XIV wrote:"I never claimed such a thing... I simply stated that this area of WA purview isn't flexible."

"Then you did so poorly."

"Or maybe you understood poorly, as I recall never stating both blatantly and underhandedly that this was not of international concern."

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:16 pm

District XIV wrote:"Or maybe you understood poorly, as I recall never stating both blatantly and underhandedly that this was not of international concern."

"Just demanded proof of it, knowing you'd either receive proof relating to that most realistic of reality simulators Real Life, or forcing the new ambassador to procure proof you could claim was invented to serve their argument. You bullshit your friends, and I'll bullshit mine, but lets not bullshit each other, ambassador. However, we detract from the debate at hand."

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Postby Flamels Stone » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:06 pm

Balenderg wrote:NOTICING that something should be done about said counterfeiting problems,and ideas to stop those crimes from happening

I dont understand this. The first clause would suffice i believe.

And this proposal only refers to paper currencies. What appened to coins, irregular currencies(those which dont use neither paper or coins) , barter and digital currencies?
These cases should have anti-counterfeiting measures too. I will think of suggestions and hope i'm not the only one.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:45 pm

Balenderg wrote:Strength - Significant
Category - Free Trade
Proposed by - Balenderg

"This is not significant. Not by far."
WELL AWARE that many nations have counterfeit problems

"Indeed. What is with the bolding, anyways?"
NOTICING that something should be done about said counterfeiting problems, and ideas to stop those crimes from happening

"As the ambassador from Flamels Stone suggests, this could be worded better...however, it is an preabulatory clause, so it is largely meaningless."
CREATES a counterfeiting patterns & records vault in order to aid police catching counterfeiters and other types of forgers.

"Nations unable to produce this without assistance are likely unable to detect counterfeiting. This is unnecessary."
PROHIBITS the lack of microprinting on paper currency throughout World Assembly member Nations.

"What about those nations with superior methods of printing that don't require microprinting? Or lack the technology to microprint, but have paper currency? This is not the way to go about preventing counterfeiting."
REQUIRES that counterfeiting patterns or designs be submitted to the Counterfeiting Patterns & Records storage, so they can be used to help fight further counterfeit crimes.

"Counterfeiting patterns? So, every nation needs to submit a copy or design of every counterfeited item they come across? It seems far simpler to create an agency to assist nations, on request, to determine, track down, and generally liaise with national representatives in tracking counterfeiting operations down. Instead of creating a massive repository, allowing liaisons to submit the evidence on a case-by-case basis, when necessary, will cut down on unnecessary information, in my opinion.

"On the whole, this is wholly unsatisfactory. I doubt it will make quorum should it end up submitted. I stand opposed, barring a complete rewrite. I submit to the author that this project ought to be abandoned, and the ambassador take a hiatus from writing, take some time to participate in debates and drafting processes of other proposals, and return to writing his own proposals armed with a better understanding of how the GA works."

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Postby Balenderg » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:29 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Balenderg wrote:Strength - Significant
Category - Free Trade
Proposed by - Balenderg

"This is not significant. Not by far."
OOC: Ok.
WELL AWARE that many nations have counterfeit problems

"Indeed. What is with the bolding, anyways?"
OOC: All the good proposals are in bold. I just thought I might throw it in there.
NOTICING that something should be done about said counterfeiting problems, and ideas to stop those crimes from happening

"As the ambassador from Flamels Stone suggests, this could be worded better...however, it is an preabulatory clause, so it is largely meaningless."
CREATES a counterfeiting patterns & records vault in order to aid police catching counterfeiters and other types of forgers.

"Nations unable to produce this without assistance are likely unable to detect counterfeiting. This is unnecessary."
PROHIBITS the lack of microprinting on paper currency throughout World Assembly member Nations.

"What about those nations with superior methods of printing that don't require microprinting? Or lack the technology to microprint, but have paper currency? This is not the way to go about preventing counterfeiting."
OOC: I will add in parts that contain those. I'm taking time in the drafting, I just couldn't think of a way to describe them. And basic microprinting does not require higher than normal technology. As a matter of fact, currencies have been microprinted on since the canadian currency in 1867. Basic microprinting is still microprinting.
REQUIRES that counterfeiting patterns or designs be submitted to the Counterfeiting Patterns & Records storage, so they can be used to help fight further counterfeit crimes.

"Counterfeiting patterns? So, every nation needs to submit a copy or design of every counterfeited item they come across? It seems far simpler to create an agency to assist nations, on request, to determine, track down, and generally liaise with national representatives in tracking counterfeiting operations down. Instead of creating a massive repository, allowing liaisons to submit the evidence on a case-by-case basis, when necessary, will cut down on unnecessary information, in my opinion.
OOC: Usually counterfeiters use the same patterns for money, and occasionally they even use some obscure method to sign them. If a government found several counterfeit bills, they can be almost sure that the counterfeiter is using the same engraving plates and patterns on the rest, so if a counterfeiter has been spotted spending money at a store, the police can go and look at the money and tell whether or not it is counterfeit.
"On the whole, this is wholly unsatisfactory. I doubt it will make quorum should it end up submitted. I stand opposed, barring a complete rewrite. I submit to the author that this project ought to be abandoned, and the ambassador take a hiatus from writing, take some time to participate in debates and drafting processes of other proposals, and return to writing his own proposals armed with a better understanding of how the GA works."

OOC: I've already been in a debate, and this is just the first draft. It's not the final version, nowhere near the final version. It's going to be changed very much.
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Postby Defwa » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:37 pm

As far as I know, a counterfeiting pattern/design is a copy of the original bill...

This is really just poorly thought out. Offering suggestions for nations with counterfeiting problems is fine, but forcing everyone to take a single anti counterfeiting method (microprinting) is simply going to drive the criminals to focusing on replicating that one method. And it does nothing to address nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting. It doesn't automatically mean economic collapse. Also paper money is a terrible misnomer. I don't think anyone sensible uses just paper in their bills.
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Postby Flamels Stone » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:27 pm

Defwa wrote:As far as I know, a counterfeiting pattern/design is a copy of the original bill...

This is really just poorly thought out. Offering suggestions for nations with counterfeiting problems is fine, but forcing everyone to take a single anti counterfeiting method (microprinting) is simply going to drive the criminals to focusing on replicating that one method. And it does nothing to address nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting. It doesn't automatically mean economic collapse. Also paper money is a terrible misnomer. I don't think anyone sensible uses just paper in their bills.

''Offering suggestions'' and/or ''nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting dont have to follow this proposal'' would make the proposal optional and illegal.
And its true that bills aren't just made of paper, they have fabric too. But what would you call it? Maleable squares money?

I've realized that this proposal has too many sides to it. There are many currencies and trade systems, many techniques of counterfeit and of anti-counterfeit and as such it would be too much micro-management unless you made the proposal extremely vage. I believe it would be better to leave it has an issue every nation aproaxes in it's own way.
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Postby Defwa » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:36 pm

Flamels Stone wrote:
Defwa wrote:As far as I know, a counterfeiting pattern/design is a copy of the original bill...

This is really just poorly thought out. Offering suggestions for nations with counterfeiting problems is fine, but forcing everyone to take a single anti counterfeiting method (microprinting) is simply going to drive the criminals to focusing on replicating that one method. And it does nothing to address nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting. It doesn't automatically mean economic collapse. Also paper money is a terrible misnomer. I don't think anyone sensible uses just paper in their bills.

''Offering suggestions'' and/or ''nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting dont have to follow this proposal'' would make the proposal optional and illegal.
And its true that bills aren't just made of paper, they have fabric too. But what would you call it? Maleable squares money?

I've realized that this proposal has too many sides to it. There are many currencies and trade systems, many techniques of counterfeit and of anti-counterfeit and as such it would be too much micro-management unless you made the proposal extremely vage. I believe it would be better to leave it has an issue every nation aproaxes in it's own way.

An actual definition to the target currency form would help.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:44 pm

Flamels Stone wrote:''Offering suggestions'' and/or ''nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting dont have to follow this proposal'' would make the proposal optional and illegal.
And its true that bills aren't just made of paper, they have fabric too. But what would you call it? Maleable squares money?


"Not all are made with fabric. C.D.S.P. greenbacks are now manufactured with plastic and paper. No fabric involved. Its awful...looks like something my niece would play with now...*grumble*...Its simple enough to get around the optionality issue, if you're curious, ambassador. One could make it illegal for member states to knowingly create unbacked currency that is not their own legal tender with the intention of deliberately weakening the strength of another states' money, establish liaison points and a committee responsible for coordinating the intelligence on counterfeiting operations not backed by governments, as well as technical support for nations seeking to protect themselves from such, and empower them to liaise with national authorities that target such operations. Participation in enforcement would, then, be almost entirely optional, where nations themselves would be barred from allowing institutional counterfeiting operations from thriving in their jurisdiction. Ostensibly, those nations with odd items, like chewing gum, either have a control to prevent uncontrolled flow of currency into their economy, or have a means by which to recognize those backed by their government, or otherwise have protections in place to prevent accidental collapse of their economy. However, this would be a concern for such economies with or without legislation on the matter, so I don't see the issue. Its all a matter of finesse. *COUGH COUGH*Ihopetheauthorheardthat*Cough*"
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Postby Defwa » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:51 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Flamels Stone wrote:''Offering suggestions'' and/or ''nations that honestly don't care about counterfeiting dont have to follow this proposal'' would make the proposal optional and illegal.
And its true that bills aren't just made of paper, they have fabric too. But what would you call it? Maleable squares money?


"Not all are made with fabric. C.D.S.P. greenbacks are now manufactured with plastic and paper. No fabric involved. Its awful...looks like something my niece would play with now...*grumble*...Its simple enough to get around the optionality issue, if you're curious, ambassador. One could make it illegal for member states to knowingly create unbacked currency that is not their own legal tender with the intention of deliberately weakening the strength of another states' money, establish liaison points and a committee responsible for coordinating the intelligence on counterfeiting operations not backed by governments, as well as technical support for nations seeking to protect themselves from such, and empower them to liaise with national authorities that target such operations. Participation in enforcement would, then, be almost entirely optional, where nations themselves would be barred from allowing institutional counterfeiting operations from thriving in their jurisdiction. Ostensibly, those nations with odd items, like chewing gum, either have a control to prevent uncontrolled flow of currency into their economy, or have a means by which to recognize those backed by their government, or otherwise have protections in place to prevent accidental collapse of their economy. However, this would be a concern for such economies with or without legislation on the matter, so I don't see the issue. Its all a matter of finesse. *COUGH COUGH*Ihopetheauthorheardthat*Cough*"

Angela blinks repeatedly, "That was fantastically said and would actually make a viable proposal."
__________Federated City States of ____________________Defwa__________
Federation Head High Wizard of Dal Angela Landfree
Ambassadorial Delegate Maestre Wizard Mikyal la Vert

President and World Assembly Delegate of the Democratic Socialist Assembly
Defwa offers assistance with humanitarian aid, civilian evacuation, arbitration, negotiation, and human rights violation monitoring.

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