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[DRAFT] On Tobacco Smoking/Chewing

Postby Save All the Animals » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:44 am

WISHING the best for the people represented in the World Assembly,

REALIZING how controversial the topic of legalizing the smoking and chewing of tobacco is,

BELIEVING it is a right of the member nations to make their own laws concerning the smoking/chewing of tobacco,

FURTHER BELIEVING every individual person has the right to put whatever they want into their own body as long as they are willing to accept the consequences,

The World Assembly hereby;
1. NOTES the consequences of smoking/chewing tobacco including many forms of cancer they could be life-threatening.
2. DISCOURAGES individuals from smoking/chewing tobacco, but
3. LEGALIZES the sale/smoking/chewing of tobacco at the consumer's own risk unless this right is denied by the national government.
4. STILL ALLOWS each individual member state to create its own laws concerning the sale/smoking/chewing of tobacco; even if they go against what is stated in this Resolution.
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Postby Save All the Animals » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:45 am

This is my first draft so please tell me what you think
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:55 am

"Category and strength? Also...This does nothing. Since the Notes clause isn't an operative one as you use it, and you just drop the onus of legality right back on member states. This is illegal for directly affecting individuals, as the WA has to directly affect member states, and for optionality."
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Postby Defwa » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:12 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:"Category and strength? Also...This does nothing. Since the Notes clause isn't an operative one as you use it, and you just drop the onus of legality right back on member states. This is illegal for directly affecting individuals, as the WA has to directly affect member states, and for optionality."

Well clause 3 does something.
It makes it so nations cannot ban tobacco.

SATA, why not participate in some existing debates before trying to start a new one? You might need practice to determine what a resolution should look like by watching others build one.
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Postby Wrapper » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:32 pm

Save All the Animals wrote:4. STILL ALLOWS each individual member state to create its own laws concerning the sale/smoking/chewing of tobacco; even if they go against what is stated in this Resolution.

This is illegal as it makes the resolution optional.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:42 pm

Defwa wrote:Well clause 3 does something.
It makes it so nations cannot ban tobacco.

"And then immediately allows governments to ban it. It does nothing but break the rules."

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Postby Save All the Animals » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:18 pm

Ok I may write a very very different 2nd draft or I may just ditch it all together
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Postby Save All the Animals » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:20 pm

Wrapper wrote:
Save All the Animals wrote:4. STILL ALLOWS each individual member state to create its own laws concerning the sale/smoking/chewing of tobacco; even if they go against what is stated in this Resolution.

This is illegal as it makes the resolution optional.

It was legal in an almost identical clause -- GAR #128's final clause
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:28 pm

Save All the Animals wrote:
Wrapper wrote:This is illegal as it makes the resolution optional.

It was legal in an almost identical clause -- GAR #128's final clause

"Wrong."
7. INSISTS that all member nations retain the ability to legalize abortion for purposes not covered under the preceding clauses either unilaterally within their own jurisdiction or collectively through World Assembly resolution.

"It specifies that nations may make additional laws that aren't covered under the previous laws. I won't get into any more of the nuance then that, but the clause in On Abortion essentially says: "nations can pass additional laws so long as they don't contradict this". Yours does not say this, implicitly or otherwise. Yours contradicts itself horrifically and meddles in something that requires no international legislation."

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Postby Save All the Animals » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:16 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
Save All the Animals wrote:It was legal in an almost identical clause -- GAR #128's final clause

"Wrong."
7. INSISTS that all member nations retain the ability to legalize abortion for purposes not covered under the preceding clauses either unilaterally within their own jurisdiction or collectively through World Assembly resolution.

"It specifies that nations may make additional laws that aren't covered under the previous laws. I won't get into any more of the nuance then that, but the clause in On Abortion essentially says: "nations can pass additional laws so long as they don't contradict this". Yours does not say this, implicitly or otherwise. Yours contradicts itself horrifically and meddles in something that requires no international legislation."

Funny because I once drafted a repeal for that resolution and got laughed off the forum because of that clause.
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Postby Defwa » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:30 pm

Save All the Animals wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Wrong."

"It specifies that nations may make additional laws that aren't covered under the previous laws. I won't get into any more of the nuance then that, but the clause in On Abortion essentially says: "nations can pass additional laws so long as they don't contradict this". Yours does not say this, implicitly or otherwise. Yours contradicts itself horrifically and meddles in something that requires no international legislation."

Funny because I once drafted a repeal for that resolution and got laughed off the forum because of that clause.

Then I'd have hoped you would have a better understanding of it.
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Postby Araraukar » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:27 pm

Save All the Animals wrote:Funny because I once drafted a repeal for that resolution and got laughed off the forum because of that clause.

That happens a lot, whenever that particular repeal is attempted. Or when someone tries to repeal NAPA. But there's no reason why you couldn't stop trying to write a proposal just to be "laughed off the forum", and instead partake the debates here, read through the passed resolutions until you know them by heart [OOC: or well enough that you'll have a faint "I think I recall this" that you can then check up on] and thus become more integrated into the active crowd here.

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:00 pm

Save All the Animals wrote:Funny because I once drafted a repeal for that resolution and got laughed off the forum because of that clause.


"If you understood the clause, you'd understand how it doesn't do what you think it does. It isn't an open invitation to ignore the clauses. It allows more detailed laws to be passed on the subject by nations provided they still obey the previous clauses."
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