[DEFEATED] On Hydraulic Fracturing

[Chester Pearson]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas

But fine... To assuage your concerns, I will change it to hydrocarbon.

Again you shall have my full support and should you submit and pass quorum, I shall canvas my region to ensure the full support for your proposal.

Well I am glad we could settle that, now we can move on to more important concerns....

[Lalaki]

I am concerned as to what this may entail for environmentally-minded nations. Could you assure us that reasonable regulations on fracking will not be prohibited?

[Normlpeople]

I am concerned as to what this may entail for environmentally-minded nations. Could you assure us that reasonable regulations on fracking will not be prohibited?

"Why wouldn't it? The first clause states that it is a nations choice to allow/forbid the practice, or place what restrictions it wishes on it. The second deals with the product of the process, and not the process itself. This is a good compromise, at it effectively deals with the issue by placing the choice into the hands of the individual nations."

[Blorbs]

Seems good to me.

[Chester Pearson]

As there is nothing currently pressing right now, I have dropped this in. Not campaigning at this time, unless this comes close to quorum.

[Mundiferrum]

The submission feels a bit early for me....but I don't really see any flaws in it, so pfmeh.

[Chester Pearson]

The submission feels a bit early for me....but I don't really see any flaws in it, so pfmeh.

It's pretty straight forward in its goal. A long drawn out drafting stage wasn't going to change much...

[Chester Pearson]

And.... I have changed my mind. Seeing as how Friday managed to get his travesty to quorum somehow, and my server really isn't tied up for the next three days, I have decided to campaign for this, and hopefully achieve a quorum.

My apologies to anyone affected by this change of events....

[Ainocra]

approved



I feel dirty now

[Chester Pearson]

approved



I feel dirty now

Why do you feel dirty now?

[Lexicor]

approved



I feel dirty now

Why do you feel dirty now?

OOC: Now "Talk Dirty to Me" by Jason Derulo is stuck in my head.

[Chester Pearson]

And..... We have a quorum. Thanks extended to all of the delegates that have approved this.

Now to await the legality challenge from DSR that is surely incoming.....

[Capisaria]

I would like to register the Capisarian nation's opposition to this legislation. While we do not particularly appreciate the entire thing, we would have simply abstained would not for point no. 2 restricting the taxation and regulation of imports into our country or products that hydraulic fracking helped create.

[Mundiferrum]

I would like to register the Capisarian nation's opposition to this legislation. While we do not particularly appreciate the entire thing, we would have simply abstained would not for point no. 2 restricting the taxation and regulation of imports into our country or products that hydraulic fracking helped create.

And what reasonable reason would you have for taxing stuff specifically because they were acquired via hydraulic fracturing?

[Chester Pearson]

I would like to register the Capisarian nation's opposition to this legislation. While we do not particularly appreciate the entire thing, we would have simply abstained would not for point no. 2 restricting the taxation and regulation of imports into our country or products that hydraulic fracking helped create.

Why exactly would you tax products that were produced solely on the basis of hydraulic fracturing?

[Christian Democrats]

I have voted AGAINST this proposal on account of Section 3's lack of clarity and on account of the absence of a mechanism for resolving disputes that might arise as the result of different interpretations of that section.

[Jakuso]

Voted against. There is literally no need for this and it also contradicts itself.

[Chester Pearson]

Voted against. There is literally no new for this and it also contradicts itself.

How exactly does this contradict itself? I am dying to have you explain it to me. Also what are you referring to when you say "there is literally no new for this"?

If anything is contadictory it is you... You screamed for NatSov rights in the NEF vote, and here they are being presented to you on a silver platter, and you still reject them.... If you are going to follow the lemming vote, why don't you just come out and admit it, instead of trying to justify it behind some thin veil of reasoning?

I have voted AGAINST this proposal on account of Section 3's lack of clarity and on account of the absence of a mechanism for resolving disputes that might arise as the result of different interpretations of that section.

Why exactly does the WA need to handhold on that matter? It is not at all possible that two reasonable nations can figure this out for themselves?

[Hakio]

All this seems to be is a posturing attempt to stop any new legislation on this controversial topic, preemptively. The Federalist Committee has voted strongly against this proposal and thus it is the position we shall go on this issue. AGAINST

[Punkvania]

The delegate from Punkvania, Daria Rothsberg, rises from her seat

"Our nation already fracks for oil in many areas in our country. Save for one instance where an earthquake was caused in the mining of our northern mountains we've seen absolutely no detriment to the quality of water tables and general well-being of life of fracking areas.

Your plan, just as the recent proposal to limit fracking near populated areas, undermines the self-determined nature of many nations.

In all this proposal is fucked up, poorly planned, and most terrible for the fact that it is the smallest resolution we've read in this past year whilst including the largest economical impact.

Punkvania votes against this."

[Jakuso]

Voted against. There is literally no new for this and it also contradicts itself.

How exactly does this contradict itself? I am dying to have you explain it to me. Also what are you referring to when you say "there is literally no new for this"?

If anything is contadictory it is you... You screamed for NatSov rights in the NEF vote, and here they are being presented to you on a silver platter, and you still reject them.... If you are going to follow the lemming vote, why don't you just come out and admit it, instead of trying to justify it behind some thin veil of reasoning?

I have voted AGAINST this proposal on account of Section 3's lack of clarity and on account of the absence of a mechanism for resolving disputes that might arise as the result of different interpretations of that section.

Why exactly does the WA need to handhold on that matter? It is not at all possible that two reasonable nations can figure this out for themselves?

Sorry, I meant "need for this".

There isn't a need for this because sovereign nations have their own laws for this kind of thing. There should be regulatory bodies within the sovereign state that handle these things and they should be free to set their own rules. And that is a NatSov thing.

The resolution contradicts itself as it says that it is for freedom in the regulations of hydraulic fracking, except where it interferes with another nation. Therefore this isn't NatSov enough and Yakus is AGAINST the proposal. And there's a reason for being AGAINST it also that I feel it better not to mention here.

[Chester Pearson]

The delegate from Punkvania, Daria Rothsberg, rises from her seat

"Our nation already fracks for oil in many areas in our country. Save for one instance where an earthquake was caused in the mining of our northern mountains we've seen absolutely no detriment to the quality of water tables and general well-being of life of fracking areas.

Your plan, just as the recent proposal to limit fracking near populated areas, undermines the self-determined nature of many nations.

In all this proposal is fucked up, poorly planned, and most terrible for the fact that it is the smallest resolution we've read in this past year whilst including the largest economical impact.

Punkvania votes against this."

Where does this say you cannot frack near populated areas? Are you reading the correct proposal. This proposal states, that it is a nations right to determine if they wish to allow fracking or not....

What is the huge economical impact of this resolution if I may ask?

[Separatist Peoples]

Sorry, I meant "need for this".

There isn't a need for this because sovereign nations have their own laws for this kind of thing. There should be regulatory bodies within the sovereign state that handle these things and they should be free to set their own rules. And that is a NatSov thing.

The resolution contradicts itself as it says that it is for freedom in the regulations of hydraulic fracking, except where it interferes with another nation. Therefore this isn't NatSov enough and Yakus is against the proposal. And there's a reason for being against it also that I feel it better not to mention here.

"The problem with your reasoning is that environmental effects in a sovereign nation affect the resources of other sovereign nations. Aquifers, river currents, migratory animals, toxic particulates, seismic disturbance, and polluted soil infiltration doesn't magically stop at the border of a nation. Even if fracking in Jakuso didn't do more then mildly pollute one, I don't know, let's say a single wetland thanks to an unlucky frack out, it would still affect those nations nearby. It reduces available territory for certain species, which in turn increases stress on other, similar habitats. Likewise with any water source pollution, release of toxic chemicals, etc. Thus why an international approach to resource management is necessary.

"However, I do agree that this particular proposal isn't necessary. Environmental legislation should focus on protecting the resource, not deal with the extraction."

[Jakuso]

Sorry, I meant "need for this".

There isn't a need for this because sovereign nations have their own laws for this kind of thing. There should be regulatory bodies within the sovereign state that handle these things and they should be free to set their own rules. And that is a NatSov thing.

The resolution contradicts itself as it says that it is for freedom in the regulations of hydraulic fracking, except where it interferes with another nation. Therefore this isn't NatSov enough and Yakus is against the proposal. And there's a reason for being against it also that I feel it better not to mention here.

"The problem with your reasoning is that environmental effects in a sovereign nation affect the resources of other sovereign nations. Aquifers, river currents, migratory animals, toxic particulates, seismic disturbance, and polluted soil infiltration doesn't magically stop at the border of a nation. Even if fracking in Jakuso didn't do more then mildly pollute one, I don't know, let's say a single wetland thanks to an unlucky frack out, it would still affect those nations nearby. It reduces available territory for certain species, which in turn increases stress on other, similar habitats. Likewise with any water source pollution, release of toxic chemicals, etc. Thus why an international approach to resource management is necessary.

"However, I do agree that this particular proposal isn't necessary. Environmental legislation should focus on protecting the resource, not deal with the extraction."

OOC: as it says in my signature, please refer to this nation as "Yakus".

IC: I understand everything here already, but I still believe that a nation should have its own say in what it does, but the WA is a place for diplomacy between nations. WA member states should preferably agree on the locations and measures of fracking, but nothing should be mandatory. Nationstate democracy should have the overall say.

[Chester Pearson]

How exactly does this contradict itself? I am dying to have you explain it to me. Also what are you referring to when you say "there is literally no new for this"?

If anything is contadictory it is you... You screamed for NatSov rights in the NEF vote, and here they are being presented to you on a silver platter, and you still reject them.... If you are going to follow the lemming vote, why don't you just come out and admit it, instead of trying to justify it behind some thin veil of reasoning?



Why exactly does the WA need to handhold on that matter? It is not at all possible that two reasonable nations can figure this out for themselves?

Sorry, I meant "need for this".

There isn't a need for this because sovereign nations have their own laws for this kind of thing. There should be regulatory bodies within the sovereign state that handle these things and they should be free to set their own rules. And that is a NatSov thing.

The resolution contradicts itself as it says that it is for freedom in the regulations of hydraulic fracking, except where it interferes with another nation. Therefore this isn't NatSov enough and Yakus is AGAINST the proposal. And there's a reason for being AGAINST it also that I feel it better not to mention here.

UH huh... And I suppose GAR #2 isn't natsov enough for you as it does not permit you to bomb nations at will? Do you even understand that it means to be a NatSov? Somehow I would find it excrutiatingly hard to believe if you said you did understand. If you are so against the WA and its rules, why the fuck are you even a member?

As for your other reasons, why don't you just come out and say it? It is not like it is a big mystery. I am pretty sure everyone knows why you are voting against. Pettiness like that will ensure that you will NEVER pass a resolution in this chambers Mr. Ambassador....

As for any further communiques from you delegation. I am pretty certain you know where they are going to be filed from now on, as I will not play this game of bait and flame with you.

Good day!