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Sorry buddy, but such as it is, this proposal won't even make quorum.

Soviet republicss wrote:Question for the hosue now. What do you define as a "person" legally

"Largely irrelevant. Many nations use different definitions, specifically with the intention of ensuring certain associations are guaranteed equal protection and due process of law. This includes, often, unions, associations, businesses, corporations, public entities, etc. However, the term "person" has not been universally defined by this Assembly, so it varies from nation to nation. You are welcome to exclude corporate personhood in your nation, should you desire. Leave our laws alone."

In my country all you have to do to get a house is to be born in the republicss. You are entitled to housing…In other WA countries if you dont have money you have to sleep on the pavement.... i aim to change that. I also plan to repeal the food act and replace it with a more progressive law

Soviet republicss wrote:In other WA countries if you dont have money you have to sleep on the pavement

Your evidence to back this up? Because this statement does not apply to District XIV...

District XIV wrote:

Soviet republicss wrote:In other WA countries if you dont have money you have to sleep on the pavement

Your evidence to back this up? Because this statement does not apply to District XIV...

"Indeed. Those who sleep on the streets in the C.D.S.P. are those who have not taken advantage of the social programs available."

District XIV wrote:

The Dark Star Republic wrote:So should you, given they're not.

Food (sort of)

No, not at all.

The reason their proposal was deleted was probably category (it was assigned to Human Rights, not Social Justice), not duplication.

On the subject of this proposal, each clause is starkly different. Corporate personhood, corporate welfare, legally obligating stockbrokers to give people sandwiches: each of these would be best addressed in their own proposal.

I said other countries i never said yours specifically. You are on my side here

Soviet republicss wrote:I said other countries i never said yours specifically. You are on my side here

Am I on your side? Even though D14 is a socialist nation, and even though OOCly I am a socialist, I do not support this resolution.

I came here to get an opinon on my proposal before its submitted and I would like to re word the proposal i made that was deleted. I want to work with every socialist nation on nation states i would like to be your friend not your enemy and I even encourage non socialist states to work with me.

Soviet republicss wrote:I came here to get an opinon on my proposal before its submitted and I would like to re word the proposal i made that was deleted. I want to work with every socialist nation on nation states i would like to be your friend not your enemy and I even encourage non socialist states to work with me.

"That would require making this legal, first. Its been pointed out why this is illegal, yet you clearly have no interest in fixing it."

Soviet republicss wrote:In my country all you have to do to get a house is to be born in the republicss. You are entitled to housing…In other WA countries if you dont have money you have to sleep on the pavement.... i aim to change that. I also plan to repeal the food act and replace it with a more progressive law

Unfortunately you're not allowed to. In accordance with the rules, WA nations are allowed to govern their own nations however they like. If they don't want to provide state housing, WA can't make them, they have a right to do whatever they like. This resolution also violates the "Ideological Ban" rule because Corporations can be government in some countries, they are called "Corporate Police States" and WA can't declare them illegal. You cannot pass ideologically based resolutions through the WA, it's impractical, because other nations may not follow your Ideology and the WA is not the place to try and change that. If you want to make them, have an RP and try to invade and conquer their nation, that would be fun to watch:)

If you wish to provide all those things to people in your nation, that's your choice, but you can't force other nations to do so. This resolution would get laughed off the floor in it's current form unfortunately, even I probably wouldn't vote for it, and I agree with it's aims.

Soviet republicss wrote:Question for the hosue now. What do you define as a "person" legally

A corporation.

Soviet republicss wrote:I came here to get an opinon on my proposal before its submitted and I would like to re word the proposal i made that was deleted.

IC: "As the most esteemed CDSP delegation stated, make it legal first, but you clearly have no interest in doing so, meaning this will be deleted as your other one was."

I want to work with every socialist nation on nation states i would like to be your friend not your enemy and I even encourage non socialist states to work with me.

OOC: This is turning into something that should belong in II or whatever...

Cedoria wrote:

Soviet republicss wrote:In my country all you have to do to get a house is to be born in the republicss. You are entitled to housing…In other WA countries if you dont have money you have to sleep on the pavement.... i aim to change that. I also plan to repeal the food act and replace it with a more progressive law

Unfortunately you're not allowed to. In accordance with the rules, WA nations are allowed to govern their own nations however they like. If they don't want to provide state housing, WA can't make them, they have a right to do whatever they like.

This is not true.

Cedoria wrote:If you wish to provide all those things to people in your nation, that's your choice, but you can't force other nations to do so.

This is also not true.

Ardchoille clarified such rules relatively recently.

you arent the judge on what is legal and what is not legal... only the mods can do that and I'm sure it isnt vald due to duplication or catagory but besides that it does not violate any rules and Cedora you're right but I could try repealing that too. That law takes the authority away from the WA so why even make that rule

Soviet republicss wrote:you arent the judge on what is legal and what is not legal... only the mods can do that and I'm sure it isnt vald due to duplication or catagory but besides that it does not violate any rules and Cedora you're right but I could try repealing that too. That law takes the authority away from the WA so why even make that rule

"Do you not understand?!" shrieks Mr. Vilay. "You know what? Fine. Submit this. When it blows up in your face later, don't say you weren't warned."

Soviet republicss wrote:you arent the judge on what is legal and what is not legal... only the mods can do that and I'm sure it isnt vald due to duplication or catagory but besides that it does not violate any rules and Cedora you're right but I could try repealing that too. That law takes the authority away from the WA so why even make that rule

"You are correct, sir. We are not the judges of such things. However, we have been here long enough and are familiar enough with the rules to know what the result will be. It does violate the Ideological Ban rule, and Duplication and Category violations are still...you guessed it! Against the rules. Feel free to submit it to find out for sure. I'll enjoy the show."

not submitting it I would like to know what the best course of action is? Coming from a socialist.

Soviet republicss wrote:not submitting it I would like to know what the best course of action is? Coming from a socialist.

"Making it legal. Start there, and then talk to us."

Then how am I supposed to make it legal

Soviet republicss wrote:Then how am I supposed to make it legal

First, very carefully, read the rules. Then, revisit your proposal with a very narrow focus in mind. Trying to cram a bunch of different mandates across your political views is a sure-fire way to get a category violation. Consider that you're legislating on medieval nations and nations that have explored space, with governments of corporations and parliaments of kittens. Don't submit your proposal until after all of the fine Ambassadors in this thread and others have had a chance to comment on it. Remember, everything said is (hopefully) constructive criticism. By all means, argue for your proposal, but don't attack other nations' governments or political standings because they differ from yours. That's just low, man. After you've done all that, and incorporated any changes you think are necessary, then and [b]only then[/] can you submit your proposal for approval by the world's Delegates.

Got it?

Soviet republicss wrote:Then how am I supposed to make it legal

You are writing the resolution not us. You figure it out....

Soviet republicss wrote:you arent the judge on what is legal and what is not legal... only the mods can do that and I'm sure it isnt vald due to duplication or catagory but besides that it does not violate any rules and Cedora you're right but I could try repealing that too. That law takes the authority away from the WA so why even make that rule

You're totally right.
And the extremely socialistic federation of Defwean city states thinks you should file a General Help Request so the secretariate can slam you into the ground for ignoring all the good advice everyone is providing and insisting on bothering them. Why even come here if you're not going to listen to the general assembly. You clear know better- you should be in direct contact with Max Barry all the time.

Soviet republicss wrote:Then how am I supposed to make it legal

"Soaking this in lighter fluid and adding open flame is the first step. Then, actually read the frelling rules. Then, participate in debates for experience. Then, come back with a bill that is focused, legal, and not utter twaddle with coherent arguments and without the false sense of superiority."

Soviet republicss wrote:you arent the judge on what is legal and what is not legal... only the mods can do that

Actually, the mods pretty much REQUIRE that you get player input first, then attempt to work with the critics to make it legal. Since you haven't really even started with the attempting to edit bit, we're not likely to make a ruling.

You really should start by reading and understanding the rules and categories, because it's clear that you don't yet.