[SUBMITTED] Space Junk Is Bad

[Defwa]

"Definitely. Concentrate on artificial objects in this one, and on natural NEOs (or N_whateverplanetNSison_Os) is another proposal; otherwise you appear to be committing the WA to a particularly bold and daring international security strategy.

"Another technical matter concerns the presence of 'life forms'. Isn't that an excessively broad exception? It would seem to apply to even a derelict space station that has bacterial residue, to say nothing of the possibility of space-based extremophiles."

~ Daisy Chinmusic
WA Intern, Still not an expert in technobabble, however

All instances of life forms has been changed to specify sapience in the next draft. I missed one last time.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Uh-huh. And I suppose if a nation (like the U.S. or OMGTKK) were to launch a monkey into space, they'd be SOL.

Please don't change the title.

[Defwa]

Uh-huh. And I suppose if a nation (like the U.S. or OMGTKK) were to launch a monkey into space, they'd be SOL.

Please don't change the title.

Well you can request the rescue still- either way, you're paying Starfleet to pay someone else to do the work.

[Separatist Peoples]

“The C.D.S.P., as part of a nasty political campaign against Bigtopia for confiscating and refusing to return parts of a downed satellite, once launched a trained, adult male gorilla into space. The capsule was designed to pretend to gather data, suffer “damage”, and then land in Bigtopian territory. When the Bigtopian security forces opened the capsule, a blast of artificial female pheromones was sprayed, and the irritated male gorilla’s restraints disengaged. The operation, according to the autopsy reports, was a complete success. I do hope the Rescue article wouldn’t ruin such an operation."

[Defwa]

“The C.D.S.P., as part of a nasty political campaign against Bigtopia for confiscating and refusing to return parts of a downed satellite, once launched a trained, adult male gorilla into space. The capsule was designed to pretend to gather data, suffer “damage”, and then land in Bigtopian territory. When the Bigtopian security forces opened the capsule, a blast of artificial female pheromones was sprayed, and the irritated male gorilla’s restraints disengaged. The operation, according to the autopsy reports, was a complete success. I do hope the Rescue article wouldn’t ruin such an operation."

Should be alright. Though the committee may try to destroy it prior to landing and you may be fined for damages unless you call it an act of war.

Draft 2.5 is up.

[Separatist Peoples]

“The C.D.S.P., as part of a nasty political campaign against Bigtopia for confiscating and refusing to return parts of a downed satellite, once launched a trained, adult male gorilla into space. The capsule was designed to pretend to gather data, suffer “damage”, and then land in Bigtopian territory. When the Bigtopian security forces opened the capsule, a blast of artificial female pheromones was sprayed, and the irritated male gorilla’s restraints disengaged. The operation, according to the autopsy reports, was a complete success. I do hope the Rescue article wouldn’t ruin such an operation."

Should be alright. You may be fined for damages, though.

"Ridiculous. You launch a few trained gorillas at an enemy and you get fined?! It's as bad as the Bigtopians government insisting we pay for the victims' artificial...well, their new prosthetics. Ah, well, I guess I can tolerate that."

[Chester Pearson]

“The C.D.S.P., as part of a nasty political campaign against Bigtopia for confiscating and refusing to return parts of a downed satellite, once launched a trained, adult male gorilla into space. The capsule was designed to pretend to gather data, suffer “damage”, and then land in Bigtopian territory. When the Bigtopian security forces opened the capsule, a blast of artificial female pheromones was sprayed, and the irritated male gorilla’s restraints disengaged. The operation, according to the autopsy reports, was a complete success. I do hope the Rescue article wouldn’t ruin such an operation."

OOC: Where do you come up with this shit?

[Separatist Peoples]

OOC: Where do you come up with this shit?

OOC: I'm legally obligated to not answer you, thanks to a cooperative injunction by the Vatican the Jim Beam distillery, and UNOCHA.

[Defwa]

The intent is to create a space committee that can be used again because I hate committees with use in only one area.
With potential use only in orbit-

Bureau of Orbital Affairs (BOA)
Orbital Management/Safety Agency (OMA)/(OSA)

With wider potential use-

World Assembly Space Council (WASC)
Stellar Affairs Management Agency (SAMA)
International Stellar Cooperative (ISC)
Orbital, Interplanetary, Interstellar Council (OIPISC)
Extraplanetary Affairs Commission (EPAC)

I would prefer to avoid using WA in any titles as it's a little over done.

And as for the title- something urgent but loveable would be my goal.
Orbital Collision Prevention (dry)
Orbital Safety Procedure (dry)
Ablative Cascade Prevention (but who else knows that that is?)
Hell-Storm Prevention (alarmist)
Debris Suppression (potentially offensive)
Space Junk Reduction (pedestrian)
Clean Stars Act (too environmentalist?)

I hate names...

[District XIV]

The intent is to create a space committee that can be used again because I hate committees with use in only one area.
With potential use only in orbit-

Bureau of Orbital Affairs (BOA)
Orbital Management/Safety Agency (OMA)/(OSA)

With wider potential use-

World Assembly Space Council (WASC)
Stellar Affairs Management Agency (SAMA)
International Stellar Cooperative (ISC)
Orbital, Interplanetary, Interstellar Council (OIPISC)
Extraplanetary Affairs Commission (EPAC)

I would prefer to avoid using WA in any titles as it's a little over done.

And as for the title- something urgent but loveable would be my goal.
Orbital Collision Prevention (dry)
Orbital Safety Procedure (dry)
Ablative Cascade Prevention (but who else knows that that is?)
Hell-Storm Prevention (alarmist)
Debris Suppression (potentially offensive)
Space Junk Reduction (pedestrian)
Clean Stars Act (too environmentalist?)

I hate names...

You could create the 'World Assembly Space Program', 'WASP', because it has a cool name.

Edit: as your committee, that is.

[Defwa]

The intent is to create a space committee that can be used again because I hate committees with use in only one area.
With potential use only in orbit-

Bureau of Orbital Affairs (BOA)
Orbital Management/Safety Agency (OMA)/(OSA)

With wider potential use-

World Assembly Space Council (WASC)
Stellar Affairs Management Agency (SAMA)
International Stellar Cooperative (ISC)
Orbital, Interplanetary, Interstellar Council (OIPISC)
Extraplanetary Affairs Commission (EPAC)

I would prefer to avoid using WA in any titles as it's a little over done.

And as for the title- something urgent but loveable would be my goal.
Orbital Collision Prevention (dry)
Orbital Safety Procedure (dry)
Ablative Cascade Prevention (but who else knows that that is?)
Hell-Storm Prevention (alarmist)
Debris Suppression (potentially offensive)
Space Junk Reduction (pedestrian)
Clean Stars Act (too environmentalist?)

I hate names...

You could create the 'World Assembly Space Program', 'WASP', because it has a cool name.

Edit: as your committee, that is.

Already taken by the World Assembly Science Program

[Ainocra]

OiOs must be able to complete more than one revolution around a celestial body without propulsion and perform maneuvers to avoid collision

This one is a non sequitur, you have to have propulsion in order to maneuver in space.


Creating debris with the intent of disrupting orbital operations is strictly prohibited

We cannot accede to this provision. Creating a debris field in a counter orbit is perhaps the cheapest and most effective way to blockade a planetary body.

While we of the Star Empire of Ainocra are advanced enough to have this problem, not every member of this assembly is.
We haven't yet fully reviewed the rest of this text for further issues. We do however have a suggestion for the title.
"The Orbital Navigational Hazards Act"

[Defwa]

OiOs must be able to complete more than one revolution around a celestial body without propulsion and perform maneuvers to avoid collision

This one is a non sequitur, you have to have propulsion in order to maneuver in space.


Creating debris with the intent of disrupting orbital operations is strictly prohibited

We cannot accede to this provision. Creating a debris field in a counter orbit is perhaps the cheapest and most effective way to blockade a planetary body.

While we of the Star Empire of Ainocra are advanced enough to have this problem, not every member of this assembly is.
We haven't yet fully reviewed the rest of this text for further issues. We do however have a suggestion for the title.
"The Orbital Navigational Hazards Act"

That should be read in two parts.
OiOs must be able to circle the planet without power.
OiOs must be able to dodge.
I can see that the language is unclear though. It was combined to save space and ill work on it.

The problem with that debris field strategy is it is indiscriminate. Your harming other nations that might be sharing the planet but aren't your enemy. If that can be addressed, i would consider making an opening for it but I'm not entirely comfortable with it

[Ainocra]

Planetary blockade is pretty much a staple of space based warfare. Our particular method is fairly benign, we distribute a layer of silicate chaff into a counter orbit. If not maintained it will fall into the gravity well within a month at the outside. While we realize that not everyone is going to be as nice as we are, we do feel that a blockade when used properly can head off armed conflict.

Area denial is a staple of pretty much any type of warfare.

Deorbiting of OiOs must be done in a way that does not damage developed areas or impact the territory of another nation without permission

We also have an issue with this as it would make orbital bombardment during wartime illegal. Perhaps beef up the definition of junk to exclude weapons?

ooc:
it's sand. lots and lots of sad.....moving really fast.

[Defwa]

Planetary blockade is pretty much a staple of space based warfare. Our particular method is fairly benign, we distribute a layer of silicate chaff into a counter orbit. If not maintained it will fall into the gravity well within a month at the outside. While we realize that not everyone is going to be as nice as we are, we do feel that a blockade when used properly can head off armed conflict.

Area denial is a staple of pretty much any type of warfare.

Deorbiting of OiOs must be done in a way that does not damage developed areas or impact the territory of another nation without permission

We also have an issue with this as it would make orbital bombardment during wartime illegal. Perhaps beef up the definition of junk to exclude weapons?

ooc:
it's sand. lots and lots of sad.....moving really fast.

Ill see if I can figure out a way of allowing that as long as it can be done without impacting innocents and uninvolved parties.

Language for the deorbitting has been added to the next draft to specify that such actions are allowed as part of a declared at of war and not be fined or restricted

[Chester Pearson]

You could create the 'World Assembly Space Program', 'WASP', because it has a cool name.

Edit: as your committee, that is.

Already taken by the World Assembly Science Program

Why not just expand the powers of that committee to encompass this then?

[Defwa]

Already taken by the World Assembly Science Program

Why not just expand the powers of that committee to encompass this then?

I am actually tempted by that, But this isn't really about science so I don't think it would be appropriate.

[Ainocra]

I like that idea. WASP does have a historical interest in space. they were tasked with maintaining the WA space station until it was shut down.
from a cost standpoint it would be more effective since they clearly already have facilities in place to work in space.

[Defwa]

I like that idea. WASP does have a historical interest in space. they were tasked with maintaining the WA space station until it was shut down.
from a cost standpoint it would be more effective since they clearly already have facilities in place to work in space.

OOC: I wish we could have a space station again but its unworkable as far as I can imagine.

[Araraukar]

I like that idea. WASP does have a historical interest in space. they were tasked with maintaining the WA space station until it was shut down.
from a cost standpoint it would be more effective since they clearly already have facilities in place to work in space.

OOC: I wish we could have a space station again but its unworkable as far as I can imagine.

Still, I agree with Ainocra that you could task this on WASP. As for proposal title, I think you're getting more votes on the current title than anything else. Maybe just take off the "Y'all".

[Defwa]

OOC: I wish we could have a space station again but its unworkable as far as I can imagine.

Still, I agree with Ainocra that you could task this on WASP. As for proposal title, I think you're getting more votes on the current title than anything else. Maybe just take off the "Y'all".

I insist on having the word Y'all enshrined in WA law.

Considering the support for it, I will use WASP unless given a good reason not to or someone provides a good alternative.
The main reason I wanted to use another group to begin with was I do have some optimistic plans to have that same committee deal with satellite safety. There are ways to construct satellites that minimize debris even in a collision. And, if necessary, make it part of a resolution dealing with orbital territorial claims (aka essentially banning them except when only one nation occupies the planet)

A third draft will be up in a few hours. Really less of a draft than the last half draft but eh.

[Frustrated Franciscans]

OOC: We like this proposal with the exception of "starfleet." Any proper resolution to space junk (properly contained in space baggies) needs to have a Quark (and I'm not talking about the Star Trek Character) Reference.

[Defwa]

Draft three is up along with a title that means "space junk is bad".
I have a couple hundred characters to spare for anything that comes up.

I do want to be very sure that the last clause ensures targeted aggression isn't being interrupted.
I'm interested in any scenarios that language causes problems in.

[Chester Pearson]

At least you got rid of that stupid Starfleet reference. That is a start....

[Defwa]

At least you got rid of that stupid Starfleet reference. That is a start....

It was a place holder Chesty. Calm down.