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Defwa
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Postby Defwa » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:05 pm

Nulono wrote:Strictly speaking, RF doesn't legalize abortion, only "pregnancy termination". If, like the USSN, your country's laws permit ending a pregnancy, but criminalize killing an unborn child, you are technically compliant with the letter of the law.

Only if you don't read the resolution.
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Postby Nulono » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:18 pm

Defwa wrote:
Nulono wrote:Strictly speaking, RF doesn't legalize abortion, only "pregnancy termination". If, like the USSN, your country's laws permit ending a pregnancy, but criminalize killing an unborn child, you are technically compliant with the letter of the law.

Only if you don't read the resolution.

"Abortion" isn't mentioned once. The whole resolution talks about "pregnancy termination"; nowhere does it say nations must permit the killing of unborn children.
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Postby The Flood » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:57 pm

Nulono wrote:
Defwa wrote:Only if you don't read the resolution.

"Abortion" isn't mentioned once. The whole resolution talks about "pregnancy termination"; nowhere does it say nations must permit the killing of unborn children.
"If a nation does not have the technological capacity to remove a fetus without killing it, the only other option is to murder the child, and this is a dictatorial violation of a nation's right to protect its citizens."

"The law should be stricken from the books on the grounds that it is a massive infringement on national sovereignty and religious freedom, and has been campaigned for through illicit means by social liberal fundamentalists."
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:59 pm

"Best get the eggheads working on that, then. Not seeing this getting repealed in the next...year? Two?"

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Postby Defwa » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:14 pm

By what illicit means is the uninvited intruder from the flood accusing us of now?
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Postby The Dark Star Republic » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:16 pm

Before we go down that route, this proposal thread was a gravedig - has someone reported it? Because there's no reason to think the author - last active 4 days ago - is still pursuing this, and therefore maybe we don't need, this time, to have hundreds of pages of back and forth?

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Postby Nulono » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:48 pm

The Flood wrote:
Nulono wrote:"Abortion" isn't mentioned once. The whole resolution talks about "pregnancy termination"; nowhere does it say nations must permit the killing of unborn children.
"If a nation does not have the technological capacity to remove a fetus without killing it, the only other option is to murder the child, and this is a dictatorial violation of a nation's right to protect its citizens."

"The law should be stricken from the books on the grounds that it is a massive infringement on national sovereignty and religious freedom, and has been campaigned for through illicit means by social liberal fundamentalists."

Even if it is legal to terminate a pregnancy, a person could still be charged with the murder of the fetus. One action being legal does not grant immunity from any crime committed in the performance of said action.
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1 perunum = 100 percent = 84' percent

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Postby Defwa » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:51 pm

Nulono wrote:
The Flood wrote:"If a nation does not have the technological capacity to remove a fetus without killing it, the only other option is to murder the child, and this is a dictatorial violation of a nation's right to protect its citizens."

"The law should be stricken from the books on the grounds that it is a massive infringement on national sovereignty and religious freedom, and has been campaigned for through illicit means by social liberal fundamentalists."

Even if it is legal to terminate a pregnancy, a person could still be charged with the murder of the fetus. One action being legal does not grant immunity from any crime committed in the performance of said action.

That would be targeted animosity and an impediment not consistent with medical procedures of similar complexity
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:53 pm

Nulono wrote:Even if it is legal to terminate a pregnancy, a person could still be charged with the murder of the fetus. One action being legal does not grant immunity from any crime committed in the performance of said action.


DEMANDS that Member Nations prohibit any impediment to the termination of pregnancy that is not applied to medical procedures of similar risk and complexity,

"Nope. You can't, unless you also charge amputees and those having organs removed with murder."

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