[DEFEATED] World University for Peace

[Rotwood]

To reiterate, we are not against peace, nor the study of it, I just think this body should single it out, or any dedicated field of study, above all the others."

And yet it's okay for military colleges to single that out as a field of study? Or engineering schools? Or car repair schools?

After returning from the bar Jericho reads over the transcript of the debate so far
"First off a minor correction: that should read 'I just don't think this body should single it out', sorry for any confusion. But secondly, that's part of the point Felicia was trying to make: This body, as in the WA. Your examples are baseless because there is no WA mandate to establish universities or schools based on those, just like there shouldn't be a WA mandate to establish a university covering only subjects to do with peace. We should not focus on one subject of study but promote all subjects, and as such this is why we are so against this."

[Separatist Peoples]

And yet it's okay for military colleges to single that out as a field of study? Or engineering schools? Or car repair schools?

After returning from the bar Jericho reads over the transcript of the debate so far
"First off a minor correction: that should read 'I just don't think this body should single it out', sorry for any confusion. But secondly, that's part of the point Felicia was trying to make: This body, as in the WA. Your examples are baseless because there is no WA mandate to establish universities or schools based on those, just like there shouldn't be a WA mandate to establish a university covering only subjects to do with peace. We should not focus on one subject of study but promote all subjects, and as such this is why we are so against this."

"Promoting peace and goodwill is the closest thing to a mission statement the WA has, ambassador...How does that not merit special attention?"

[Rotwood]

After returning from the bar Jericho reads over the transcript of the debate so far
"First off a minor correction: that should read 'I just don't think this body should single it out', sorry for any confusion. But secondly, that's part of the point Felicia was trying to make: This body, as in the WA. Your examples are baseless because there is no WA mandate to establish universities or schools based on those, just like there shouldn't be a WA mandate to establish a university covering only subjects to do with peace. We should not focus on one subject of study but promote all subjects, and as such this is why we are so against this."

"Promoting peace and goodwill is the closest thing to a mission statement the WA has, ambassador...How does that not merit special attention?"

"Why does it deserve special attention? You could achieve the same aims by promoting other subject areas too, except for those military academies, though that depends on your point of view, so why should we waste our money and resources on such a narrow scope when it should be opened up?"

[Separatist Peoples]

"Promoting peace and goodwill is the closest thing to a mission statement the WA has, ambassador...How does that not merit special attention?"

"Why does it deserve special attention? You could achieve the same aims by promoting other subject areas too, except for those military academies, though that depends on your point of view, so why should we waste our money and resources on such a narrow scope when it should be opened up?"[/quote]
"At this point, you're just being obtuse, ambassador. I'm not sure how mathematics or electrical engineering or accounting are supposed to achieve world peace the same way that legitimate peace studies do. Fortunately, international relations and mediation, diplomacy, international politics, and cross-cultural encounters, all directly work towards world peace. Promoting those studies promote peaceful exchanges far more then underwater basketweaving classes would."

[Wrapper]

Looks like the 10KI delegate has withdrawn his AGAINST vote, and without casting a FOR vote. The resident vote must be deadlocked, as their delegate (usually) votes via polling. Not that it will make a difference unless all the Pacifics follow suit....

[Rotwood]

"Why does it deserve special attention? You could achieve the same aims by promoting other subject areas too, except for those military academies, though that depends on your point of view, so why should we waste our money and resources on such a narrow scope when it should be opened up?"

"At this point, you're just being obtuse, ambassador. I'm not sure how mathematics or electrical engineering or accounting are supposed to achieve world peace the same way that legitimate peace studies do. Fortunately, international relations and mediation, diplomacy, international politics, and cross-cultural encounters, all directly work towards world peace. Promoting those studies promote peaceful exchanges far more then underwater basketweaving classes would."

"Well for starters, we can thank those electrical engineers for helping with translation within this very building (not to mention keep the alcohol cold in the Stranger's Bar). It may not seem obvious at first, but many other fields do things which down the line help other fields, improving the world, to which I might add this

General Assembly: Improving the world one resolution at a time

I might also add that the whole Peace and Goodwill part is from the Security Council..."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Well for starters, we can thank those electrical engineers for helping with translation within this very building (not to mention keep the alcohol cold in the Stranger's Bar). It may not seem obvious at first, but many other fields do things which down the line help other fields, improving the world, to which I might add this
[quote=WA Page]General Assembly: Improving the world one resolution at a time

I might also add that the whole Peace and Goodwill part is from the Security Council..."[/quote]

"Electrical engineers working with translators...that's your argument? I guess the translators and diplomats that had to work long before such devices just wasted their time with all that education...And just because it's the Security Council's actual motto doesn't make it any less the General Assembly's tacit mission statement. I don't see proposals allowing the systematic use of indiscriminate weapons, encouraging a unified military command for subjugating our enemies, so on and so forth. Its pretty obvious that this organization isn't passing legislation to start incidents, but to end them."

[Rotwood]

"Well for starters, we can thank those electrical engineers for helping with translation within this very building (not to mention keep the alcohol cold in the Stranger's Bar). It may not seem obvious at first, but many other fields do things which down the line help other fields, improving the world, to which I might add this


I might also add that the whole Peace and Goodwill part is from the Security Council..."

"Electrical engineers working with translators...that's your argument? I guess the translators and diplomats that had to work long before such devices just wasted their time with all that education...And just because it's the Security Council's actual motto doesn't make it any less the General Assembly's tacit mission statement. I don't see proposals allowing the systematic use of indiscriminate weapons, encouraging a unified military command for subjugating our enemies, so on and so forth. Its pretty obvious that this organization isn't passing legislation to start incidents, but to end them."

Jericho taps the microphone in front of him
"You mean those electrical engineers who created this, which leads to the booth of translators, who's feed goes to those who select the language they are speaking in? Or created telephones and video communication, so that world leaders and diplomats can easily contact each other and discus matters of world peace? Or those engineers creating transport for those diplomats, not to mention other things such as aid items, all in the name of peace? The accountants, mathematicians and analysts who work out how much aid is needed, what it costs and where it should go? I was just using the translation as one example, and now offering others, where other fields can help in the promotion of peace.

As for your last part, it isn't exactly stopping them either. Between NAPA and the failure of the recent Planetary Annihilation proposal (just two examples) it's doing a bang-up job in that department"

[Separatist Peoples]

Jericho taps the microphone in front of him
"You mean those electrical engineers who created this, which leads to the booth of translators, who's feed goes to those who select the language they are speaking in? Or created telephones and video communication, so that world leaders and diplomats can easily contact each other and discus matters of world peace? Or those engineers creating transport for those diplomats, not to mention other things such as aid items, all in the name of peace? The accountants, mathematicians and analysts who work out how much aid is needed, what it costs and where it should go? I was just using the translation as one example, and now offering others, where other fields can help in the promotion of peace.

As for your last part, it isn't exactly stopping them either. Between NAPA and the failure of the recent Planetary Annihilation proposal (just two examples) it's doing a bang-up job in that department"

"Yes. I mean those. Technology doesn't create peace. Its a tool, but the people skilled in the means are what makes it happen. Those accountants and mathematicians? They aren't the ones organizing said aid. Technology can't replace diplomats. As for the failure of the Planetary Annihilation proposal, you cannot point the finger at every failed resolution and declare that it signifies warmongering and a lack of devotion to peace. That's just ridiculous. NAPA doesn't prevent us from banning the use of nuclear weapons, so it is hardly a decent example."

[Rotwood]

Jericho taps the microphone in front of him
"You mean those electrical engineers who created this, which leads to the booth of translators, who's feed goes to those who select the language they are speaking in? Or created telephones and video communication, so that world leaders and diplomats can easily contact each other and discus matters of world peace? Or those engineers creating transport for those diplomats, not to mention other things such as aid items, all in the name of peace? The accountants, mathematicians and analysts who work out how much aid is needed, what it costs and where it should go? I was just using the translation as one example, and now offering others, where other fields can help in the promotion of peace.

As for your last part, it isn't exactly stopping them either. Between NAPA and the failure of the recent Planetary Annihilation proposal (just two examples) it's doing a bang-up job in that department"

"Yes. I mean those. Technology doesn't create peace. Its a tool, but the people skilled in the means are what makes it happen. Those accountants and mathematicians? They aren't the ones organizing said aid. Technology can't replace diplomats. As for the failure of the Planetary Annihilation proposal, you cannot point the finger at every failed resolution and declare that it signifies warmongering and a lack of devotion to peace. That's just ridiculous. NAPA doesn't prevent us from banning the use of nuclear weapons, so it is hardly a decent example."

"And without those tools, it makes it harder for those skilled people to do their job. Without the telephones, without the video conferencing, hell, without aerial transport, those diplomats find it harder to prevent wars with the time it takes for sea-faring vessels to reach their destination. They may be small, but they can also be vital parts in the line that can lead to a peaceful solutions.
And NAPA actually does prevent the banning of nuclear weapons. How many proposals have been shot down based on it?"

[Nesixar]

I would have though our fellow Socialists in Rotwood would be in favour of promoting intercultural understanding within the proletariat. This proposal would be a great boon to WorldRev and surrounding policies. The KomXinGol of Nesixar is puzzled by such a profoundly shortsighted and Anti-People outlook.

I notice that, were it not for the two big spikes in anti votes, the gradual trend would probably have seen pro votes overtake their initial lead by now.

[Rotwood]

I would have though our fellow Socialists in Rotwood would be in favour of promoting intercultural understanding within the proletariat. This proposal would be a great boon to WorldRev and surrounding policies. The KomXinGol of Nesixar is puzzled by such a profoundly shortsighted and Anti-People outlook.

I notice that, were it not for the two big spikes in anti votes, the gradual trend would probably have seen pro votes overtake their initial lead by now.

Jericho raises an eyebrow
"I wouldn't exactly call us socialists (OOC: Though thats what the game is calling us at the moment), and we are in favour of promoting intercultural understanding (hell, we have 4 sapient races within our own borders...) just that the scope is to narrow, and should be opened up to all lines of study, and should use current infrastructure rather than creating new. We do have some ideas on how this could be worked better, but at this point we are saving them for if this comes about again since it is too late to offer them."

[Separatist Peoples]

"And without those tools, it makes it harder for those skilled people to do their job. Without the telephones, without the video conferencing, hell, without aerial transport, those diplomats find it harder to prevent wars with the time it takes for sea-faring vessels to reach their destination. They may be small, but they can also be vital parts in the line that can lead to a peaceful solutions.
And NAPA actually does prevent the banning of nuclear weapons. How many proposals have been shot down based on it?"

"You should read the law again. NAPA protects ownership. It does not protect the use of those weapons."

[Bears Armed]

OOC; Sometimes it seems to help, at least slightly, if you actually join their regional forums and announce your willingness to discuss the proposal there too... although admittedly trying to do so for more than a handful of regions can get rather time-consuming.

OOC: I assume you're talking about offsite forums (and not RMB hopping).

OOC: Yes.

(And there might actually be a rule against RMB-hopping for that purpose. I think that I've seen something said about that, but can't offpaw remember where it was....)

[Wrapper]

OOC: "offpaw" is OOC? That's... kind of scary.

[Bears Armed]

OOC: "offpaw" is OOC? That's... kind of scary.

"Am I a man, dreaming that I am a bear; or am I a bear, dreaming that I am a man?"

[Ardchoille]

For the record: "World University for Peace" was defeated 6,380 votes to 4,459.

[Wrapper]

For the record: "World University for Peace" was defeated 6,380 votes to 4,459.

And for the record, individual nations were in favor by a very slim margin while all but two of the 100+ vote delegates stomped all over it. Will try to get some feedback from them, and perhaps revive some version of this in the future.

[Nesixar]

For the record: "World University for Peace" was defeated 6,380 votes to 4,459.

And for the record, individual nations were in favor by a very slim margin while all but two of the 100+ vote delegates stomped all over it. Will try to get some feedback from them, and perhaps revive some version of this in the future.

I too wonder why they voted against and would like to hear their thoughts. I hope to see this again at vote at one point or another if sufficient changes can be made to sway them.

[Rotwood]

Felicia patches through Mel who is at the bar
*There was only about 60 votes difference as far as individual nations go, so it isn't like it was trounced by the delegates. Maybe if it was a couple of hundred difference, but not 60.*

[Ramaeus]

And for the record, individual nations were in favor by a very slim margin while all but two of the 100+ vote delegates stomped all over it. Will try to get some feedback from them, and perhaps revive some version of this in the future.

Most of the larger delegates vote how their region votes, whether that be through the current in-game vote or through off-site forums.

[Separatist Peoples]

"My condolences to the Puddle Jumping delegation. After all the issues explaining your proposal, its a shame to see it fail for want of delegate support."

[Molerats]

Peace, world university for peace ? PACIFISM ? What is this insanity ?

[Applebania]

Claire stands on her desk.
"BRING DOWN THE BIG DELEGATES! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!"
The sheer force of her shout couped all the GCRs at the same time.

[Wrapper]

Claire stands on her desk.
"BRING DOWN THE BIG DELEGATES! POWER TO THE PEOPLE!"
The sheer force of her shout couped all the GCRs at the same time.

OOC: Yeah, was thinking of killing off my nameless ambassador and blaming it on the stampede of ballot-stuffing delegates or something like that.