[DEFEATED] World University for Peace

[Hakio]

"Once again the rights of individual nations are being trumped by delegates...."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

"Nations who volunteer their voting power to said delegates, and can revoke it at any time..."

"Except for regions with endorsement caps, who happen to be the biggest."

[Separatist Peoples]

"Nations who volunteer their voting power to said delegates, and can revoke it at any time..."

"Except for regions with endorsement caps, who happen to be the biggest."

"Inhabitants can withdraw their support at any time. I hate that people view delegate votes as somehow "unfair" when its all a matter of choice..."

[Wrapper]

"Except for regions with endorsement caps, who happen to be the biggest."

"Inhabitants can withdraw their support at any time. I hate that people view delegate votes as somehow "unfair" when its all a matter of choice..."

For the record, I don't view this as unfair. I knew the rules going in, and each of us implicitly accepts them when we submit proposals. What I can't figure out is why it's so unpopular among the high-count delegates, while being just about 50-50 among everyone else. Small sample size is all I can come up with. Still have to wonder, if there was something I could have done differently to swing a couple of them.

[Hakio]

"The most powerful few should represent the most massive amounts of nations of which they possess."

WA Ambassador
~Sia Hedishi

[Separatist Peoples]

"Inhabitants can withdraw their support at any time. I hate that people view delegate votes as somehow "unfair" when its all a matter of choice..."

For the record, I don't view this as unfair. I knew the rules going in, and each of us implicitly accepts them when we submit proposals. What I can't figure out is why it's so unpopular among the high-count delegates, while being just about 50-50 among everyone else. Small sample size is all I can come up with. Still have to wonder, if there was something I could have done differently to swing a couple of them.

"I'm not sure exactly where the political lines are around the large delegates. They seem to vote erratically, whether by choice or by democratic decision of their constituents. I get the feeling that they vote against almost anything out of the realm of "normal" WA issues, though. May explain why this took such a hit."

"The most powerful few should represent the most massive amounts of nations of which they possess."

"Most large delegates do vote in line with the majority in their regions. If a formal vote isn't called, they at least vote in favor of what they think their inhabitants will vote, like my regional delegate does. Those who do disagree can negate their delegate's vote with an opposing vote, or just withdraw their endorsement. Its not like delegates are oppressing the masses, ambassador..."

[Nesixar]

Shame. Every time it starts to get close there's a spike in opposing votes.

[Southwest florida]

Can my nation offer other courses

[Rotwood]

Can my nation offer other courses

Felicia borrows Jericho's look-smart glasses and replies
"At your own universities, under your own administration, yes. Unfortunately, WUP only covers peace. Yes, it's scope is narrow, one of our criticisms of this resolution and why we are against it."

[Frustrated Franciscans]

"Once again the rights of individual nations are being trumped by delegates...."

"And what 'rights' would they be, exactly. I mean every nation has the right not to join the WA. For the most part, every nation as the right to implement all legislation that fails to pass in the World Assembly."

"And do you know what other right you have as a individual nation? You have the right to not endorse your region's representative. If you do endorse your region's representative, then you shouldn't carp about what he or she votes. The fact that some people give one of their two potential votes to their regional representative is no reason for them to be not counted at all should they not personally use their other vote as well."

[New Langsia]

My fellow Ambassadors,

My government is in full support of this resolution, and agrees so much so that we have begun pre-emptive construction of the New Langsian Peace Campus in Shinkyou, our capital. Even if this resolution fails to garner support of the international community, New Langsia will continue with the initiative, creating a Diplomatic institution of learning and allowing anyone of any nation to study here, as a token of goodwill.

Thank your for bringing up this important issue.

Ambassador Walter Rai
Ambassador to the World Assembly

[Alderlock]

How would WUP harm anyone? Shame people are voting against it.

[Frustrated Franciscans]

How would WUP harm anyone? Shame people are voting against it.

Because it is a crappy degree and yet nations are urged to hire people with this crappy degree in both the public and private sectors, obviously in lieu of real important degrees.

[Wrapper]

Because it is a crappy degree and yet nations are urged to hire people with this crappy degree in both the public and private sectors, obviously in lieu of real important degrees.

Sounds like you could use a lesson or two.

[Rotwood]

How would WUP harm anyone? Shame people are voting against it.

"You mean by wasting money on a useless university that only teaches one subject?"
Felicia rolls her eyes before readying a spitball

[Wrapper]

How would WUP harm anyone? Shame people are voting against it.

"You mean by wasting money on a useless university that only teaches one subject?"
Felicia rolls her eyes before readying a spitball

Why do you have so much hatred for peace? We have military academies, liberal arts colleges, science and engineering schools. Why not peace?

[Rotwood]

"You mean by wasting money on a useless university that only teaches one subject?"
Felicia rolls her eyes before readying a spitball

Why do you have so much hatred for peace? We have military academies, liberal arts colleges, science and engineering schools. Why not peace?

Felicia glares
"I believe you are asking the wrong question here. I come from a peaceful nation, so we have no hatred for peace. What we do have is a good sense for a waste of money, and a belief that the WA should not be establishing universities, especially narrow ones like this. We stated during the drafting, which has been ignored, might I add, and have reiterated since it has gone to vote, a university based on such a narrow scope is both a waste of time and money. That is where our supposed 'hatred' lies. If this was put forward to the Rotan parliament, it would be laughed out for the joke that it is."

[Separatist Peoples]

Why do you have so much hatred for peace? We have military academies, liberal arts colleges, science and engineering schools. Why not peace?

Felicia glares
"I believe you are asking the wrong question here. I come from a peaceful nation, so we have no hatred for peace. What we do have is a good sense for a waste of money, and a belief that the WA should not be establishing universities, especially narrow ones like this. We stated during the drafting, which has been ignored, might I add, and have reiterated since it has gone to vote, a university based on such a narrow scope is both a waste of time and money. That is where our supposed 'hatred' lies. If this was put forward to the Rotan parliament, it would be laughed out for the joke that it is."

"The disciplines that surround diplomacy, international relations, and mediation are not only wide fields of discipline, they draw on many other fields as well. This is no more narrow in scope then a military academy or a trade school would be."

[Rotwood]

Felicia glares
"I believe you are asking the wrong question here. I come from a peaceful nation, so we have no hatred for peace. What we do have is a good sense for a waste of money, and a belief that the WA should not be establishing universities, especially narrow ones like this. We stated during the drafting, which has been ignored, might I add, and have reiterated since it has gone to vote, a university based on such a narrow scope is both a waste of time and money. That is where our supposed 'hatred' lies. If this was put forward to the Rotan parliament, it would be laughed out for the joke that it is."

"The disciplines that surround diplomacy, international relations, and mediation are not only wide fields of discipline, they draw on many other fields as well. This is no more narrow in scope then a military academy or a trade school would be."

Felicia shakes her head
"Yes, but a) you don't see them being asked for in the WA, and b) those are usually done and managed on a local level. Considering this is asking to establish an international university, given that comparison it is a very narrow scope, excluding all other disciplines. Again, it is a wavtam: Waste of vilgehk time and money. We do not entertain spending money on this waste of an educational institution."
Felicia adds another couple of pax to the swear jar

[Nesixar]

Not only would this University teach the arts of diplomacy and international relations, but it would also seek to increase cooperation among peoples and inter-cultural understanding. An international advance-guard of proletarian solidarity! This would especially be valuable in the instillment of pro-people ideas in the citizens of anti-people rightist regimes.

¡Arriba, parias de la Tierra!
¡En pie, famélica legión!
Atruena la razón en marcha:
es el fin de la opresión.

[Wrapper]

We stated during the drafting, which has been ignored, might I add, and have reiterated since it has gone to vote, a university based on such a narrow scope is both a waste of time and money.

Ignored? Really?

Still unresolved -- and likely never to be resolved to everyone's satisfaction -- is the "Peace zOMG not a real course/why not fund everything" issue. We believe, as implied in the preamble, that other courses of study are well-established and well-funded throughout the world, but there is a significant gap when it comes to irenology, diplomacy, etc. (OOC: And, as proven by the RL links I posted above, such courses of study do exist around the world, including at the UN-sponsored University for Peace. Damn, thought I had an original idea here!)

If you want to study physics, or engineering, or teaching, or philosophy, or linguistics, or military theory, or even a trade like car repair, there are hundreds of thousands of colleges, universities and trade schools where you can choose to study. If you want to study peace and conflict resolution... not so many. And we, as well as other supporters, ha've already shown that there are many nations (and no doubt private philanthropists) willing to support this cause and donate land and funds to pay for it all, so that we are hardly taking anything from the WA general fund. Given that as a World Assembly our job is to improve the world one resolution at a time... how does a low-cost, internationally sponsored, educational institution with multiple campuses throughout the universe, whose mission is to promote PEACE, not improve the world?

[Bears Armed]

"Inhabitants can withdraw their support at any time. I hate that people view delegate votes as somehow "unfair" when its all a matter of choice..."

For the record, I don't view this as unfair. I knew the rules going in, and each of us implicitly accepts them when we submit proposals. What I can't figure out is why it's so unpopular among the high-count delegates, while being just about 50-50 among everyone else. Small sample size is all I can come up with. Still have to wonder, if there was something I could have done differently to swing a couple of them.

OOC; Sometimes it seems to help, at least slightly, if you actually join their regional forums and announce your willingness to discuss the proposal there too... although admittedly trying to do so for more than a handful of regions can get rather time-consuming.

[Wrapper]

OOC; Sometimes it seems to help, at least slightly, if you actually join their regional forums and announce your willingness to discuss the proposal there too... although admittedly trying to do so for more than a handful of regions can get rather time-consuming.

OOC: I assume you're talking about offsite forums (and not RMB hopping). It sounds like too much work, and not much fun. It does suck that none of those mega-delegates use this forum to provide feedback, but no matter, I'll keep trying.

[Rotwood]

We stated during the drafting, which has been ignored, might I add, and have reiterated since it has gone to vote, a university based on such a narrow scope is both a waste of time and money.

Ignored? Really?

Still unresolved -- and likely never to be resolved to everyone's satisfaction -- is the "Peace zOMG not a real course/why not fund everything" issue. We believe, as implied in the preamble, that other courses of study are well-established and well-funded throughout the world, but there is a significant gap when it comes to irenology, diplomacy, etc. (OOC: And, as proven by the RL links I posted above, such courses of study do exist around the world, including at the UN-sponsored University for Peace. Damn, thought I had an original idea here!)

If you want to study physics, or engineering, or teaching, or philosophy, or linguistics, or military theory, or even a trade like car repair, there are hundreds of thousands of colleges, universities and trade schools where you can choose to study. If you want to study peace and conflict resolution... not so many. And we, as well as other supporters, ha've already shown that there are many nations (and no doubt private philanthropists) willing to support this cause and donate land and funds to pay for it all, so that we are hardly taking anything from the WA general fund. Given that as a World Assembly our job is to improve the world one resolution at a time... how does a low-cost, internationally sponsored, educational institution with multiple campuses throughout the universe, whose mission is to promote PEACE, not improve the world?

Felicia shakes her head
"First off, where is this significant gap? What exactly is the basis of this assumption of a significant gap? We tend to disagree majorly on this point. If there is a significant gap in your country, fix it, there's no problems here in Rotwood (except for maybe sending Jericho and I here as our 'punishment'. Secondly, low cost? Where are your costings on this? You need to pay for construction of the buildings, utilities, staff, lodging students abroad, etc. Yes, I have noticed this line:

III. Solicit supplemental funding for the University via private and public donations and voluntary governmental grants, including the land used for WUP campuses. The Board and the University shall not charge students tuition.

Note the word supplemental. This means regardless of if you actually get those donations, we still have to pay the majority of the costs. I can't see much employment gained from this outside the political sphere and we have too many in those already.

As stated before, back in the drafting process, conveniently ignored, if this was a scholarship fund to help get students into university across many fields, we would have supported it. However, since it is such a narrow scope, and plans to implement an actual university, we have to be vehemently against it.

To reiterate, we are not against peace, nor the study of it, I just think this body should single it out, or any dedicated field of study, above all the others."

[Wrapper]

To reiterate, we are not against peace, nor the study of it, I just think this body should single it out, or any dedicated field of study, above all the others."

And yet it's okay for military colleges to single that out as a field of study? Or engineering schools? Or car repair schools?

OOC: What you are saying makes no sense to me, and what I'm saying makes no sense to you, and nine of the top ten delegates agree with you, so, fine, I concede, now let's just move on to the next topic.

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

We have no endorsement or repudiation to offer here. This proposal seems like useless fluff, but it appears harmless and may even in some small way be beneficial. The current trending in Anime is 4-2 in favor, so as Delegate, for now we are supporting it.