[DEFEATED] World University for Peace

[Normlpeople]

"So, if I read this right, instead of teaching diplomacy at the military campus a month or two a year, I can do so on a full time basis? I guess i'm kind of biased here, as this affects my future should I ever resign from the advisers council. I will have to defer the vote according to their wishes, unless the Princess tells me to vote a specific way.

That said, I am slightly concerned regarding the funding of this from exclusively donations and private sources. Would the WA general fund not be a better place to draw from?"

[Wrapper]

No, there are nations who would not want any WA money going toward something like this.

OOC: I was originally not going to address funding, but in the process of researching irenology for this, I stumbled across the RL University for Peace, which is sponsored by the UN but is fully funded through donations: "Funding of UPEACE programmes comes from the support of a number of donor governments, foundations and institutions who believe in the mission of the University." Also, in conjunction with this, I'm toying with drafting a counterpart game-side issue, which will allow nations to donate, open a campus, blow away demonstrators, whatever they choose. In order to keep it legal, I can't mention the WA side of things.

[Araraukar]

No, there are nations who would not want any WA money going toward something like this.

Then they can express their opinion by voting "nay". Generally speaking anything the WA sets up, gets funded by the WA General Fund. By now it's been mentioned in so many resolutions that even if its original founding resolution would be repealed, it'd still go on functioning.

[Wrapper]

No, there are nations who would not want any WA money going toward something like this.

Then they can express their opinion by voting "nay". Generally speaking anything the WA sets up, gets funded by the WA General Fund. By now it's been mentioned in so many resolutions that even if its original founding resolution would be repealed, it'd still go on functioning.

While this is true, we don't read anything in GAR #17 that mandates that the WA General Fund must be used for something like this:

2. Establishes the WA General Fund, which shall be the central source for the funding of WA operations, and the monies from which shall be spent only on maintaining the administration of the WA and missions established by a vote of the World Assembly;

This says that the fund can only be spent on administration and "missions" but says nothing about exclusivity. Even if one could argue that a university is a "mission" this statement does not make it mandatory that the WA General Fund is the only way to fund it.

[Araraukar]

this statement does not make it mandatory that the WA General Fund is the only way to fund it.

Oh, you misunderstood me - or, even more likely, something was lost in translation. What I meant is, it'll be difficult to convince people that "donations" and whatnot will be enough to fund a WA-wide university system, whether or not campuses are built on every nation or not. One way to get rid of that issue is to assign the funds from the WAGF instead.

OOC: Many other proposals have had similar issues in convincing people that their chosen method of funding is good enough.

[Wrapper]

this statement does not make it mandatory that the WA General Fund is the only way to fund it.

Oh, you misunderstood me - or, even more likely, something was lost in translation. What I meant is, it'll be difficult to convince people that "donations" and whatnot will be enough to fund a WA-wide university system, whether or not campuses are built on every nation or not. One way to get rid of that issue is to assign the funds from the WAGF instead.

OOC: Many other proposals have had similar issues in convincing people that their chosen method of funding is good enough.

OOC: Understood. Still reluctant to change it (the RL model works), but if enough regulars deem it something that will make a difference, I may change my mind.

[Defwa]

Oh, you misunderstood me - or, even more likely, something was lost in translation. What I meant is, it'll be difficult to convince people that "donations" and whatnot will be enough to fund a WA-wide university system, whether or not campuses are built on every nation or not. One way to get rid of that issue is to assign the funds from the WAGF instead.

OOC: Many other proposals have had similar issues in convincing people that their chosen method of funding is good enough.

OOC: Understood. Still reluctant to change it (the RL model works), but if enough regulars deem it something that will make a difference, I may change my mind.

OOC:Its definitely sufficient in my eyes. Best inoffensive way to manage funding. People seem to have a severe misunderstanding of the purpose of the general fund, though

[Normlpeople]

OOC: Understood. Still reluctant to change it (the RL model works), but if enough regulars deem it something that will make a difference, I may change my mind.

OOC: How about something like "with any potential funding shortfalls to be covered by the WA general fund?"

[Araraukar]

OOC: How about something like "with any potential funding shortfalls to be covered by the WA general fund?"

That would sound better. Need to see it in the proposal text before can say yea or nay, though.

[Wrapper]

Rather than get into conditionals, what would happen if we changed clause III as follows:

III. Solicit Supplement funding for the University exclusively via by soliciting private and public donations and voluntary governmental grants, including the land used for WUP campuses. The Board and the University shall not require direct funding by the WA, nor shall they charge tuition.

Does this raise more questions than it answers? Or is implicit reliance on WA funding via GAR #17 sufficient?

[Wrapper]

We'd like to get this in while the queue is empty. Any other comments?

[Normlpeople]

"Apologies, I completely missed your previous statement regarding the new wording. Perhaps:

III. Solicit Supplementary funding for the University via private and public donations and voluntary governmental grants, including the land used for WUP campuses. The Board and the University shall not charge tuition.

Yours also works too, both do really. I have no other questions, and will look forward to seeing in queue and how it performs. I wish you luck!"

[Wrapper]

We do prefer "solicit" as the action verb over "supplement", thanks.

Will be submitting this shortly.

OOC: Working on the companion gameside issue as well. Something that both pacifists and militants will enjoy.

[Hakio]

"We support this proposal and hope it reaches quorum."

[Wrapper]

"We support this proposal and hope it reaches quorum."

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a quorum.

[Fendon]

"We support this proposal and hope it reaches quorum."

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a quorum.

Brilliant! I can't wait to see how this one goes. Congratulations. One step closer...

[The Dark Star Republic]

OOC: Will be interested to see how this one goes. The WA is so much more militaristic now than it used to be - but it rarely turns down Educational mandates.

[Rotwood]

Felicia shakes her head, unamused
"I still can't believe this beala uv cred has made it to quorum and is now being voted on. To reiterate our previous position, we are opposed to the WA forming a university, and we are extremely opposed given the narrowness of it's scope. If this was something where scholarships are given, and the scope was increased, we would consider supporting it, but as is we are wholly against."
The Rotan swear jar tinkles as Felicia adds a couple more pax

[Draica]

A new Ambassador who is sitting in for Tung would come in. He'd have golden chains all over him as well as sagging pants and a backwards hat. He'd walk up to the podium

"Yo, I'm against dis university stuff. When a broda' or a bi-*censored* needs a mudda' *censored* poppin, you pop one. Forget all this peace and love bull*censored*. Fo'get dat. We needa' represent da' hood up in dis mudda *censored*.

He sits down.

[Hakio]

A new Ambassador who is sitting in for Tung would come in. He'd have golden chains all over him as well as sagging pants and a backwards hat. He'd walk up to the podium

"Yo, I'm against dis university stuff. When a broda' or a bi-*censored* needs a mudda' *censored* poppin, you pop one. Forget all this peace and love bull*censored*. Fo'get dat. We needa' represent da' hood up in dis mudda *censored*.

He sits down.

"And people wonder why I get high..." Sia shakes her head confused and smokes a bong.

[Starkmoor]

This measure has our full support.

________________________________________
Comrade Frank K. Burlingame
World Assembly Ambassador for the People's Republic of Starkmoor

[Genuine]

After reading the proposed legislation, Constitutional monarchy of genuine agrees that such a university would be great in theory. The main problems we see are the staff. It says that the governing body will be responsible for hiring staff from all walks of life to teach at this university. The problem is not the idea of peace, its the path one takes to achieve it. You will have many teachers from many ethnicities, religions and regions of the world teaching their versions which will be very different than one another's. Also some may even teach that their way is the best way and another that "the only way to achieve peace is to cleanse a population from a religious or ethnic section". Because of these concerns I will vote NO to this legislation.

[Nesixar]

The Chamber of Deputies, the Chamber of Nationalities, and the Congress of the Communist Party of the United Socialist States of Nesixar fully supports this resolution and, if necessary, would gladly allocate land for a campus here. The promotion of cultural and social understanding, cooperation, and equity among peoples is of the highest importance, as well as the advancement of art and the Social Sciences. This proposed university's aim to establish in future generations an advance guard of peace and cooperation is Nesixar's aim as well.

~WA Delegate Dzurgoth Seiromi Azataryador Golzoroth

[The 54th Squadron]

Get these fucking hippies out of my WA.

[Wrapper]

OOC: Had a feeling this would happen. Individual nations are in favor, but it's getting killlled by the mega-delegates.